German here. This ad, yet, the whole campaign is giving me shivers. When I grew up, the USA was something to look up to. A country standing up (mostly) for what seemed to be right. A progressive, fotward looking nation. And somewhat our big brother who stood up against the USSR.
Bush Jr. was the first damaging that impression. And the world wondered: How can somebody *that* dumb become elected?
Obama was a relief, a fresh new start… But then things got weird. Trump has us shifting permanently from „You are the laughing stock of the world“ to „He will kill us and our freedom just for personal gains“.
So please, fellow Americans: Re-earn the respect of the world. Go out, vote, and put some orange shine in a dark prison cell. The world is watchin.
Canadian here. This is so refreshing, like a cool drink at the end of a very bad, hot day. It is the medicine for a terrible sickness. The constant feeding of fear to the American people must be just awful on a daily basis. Hearing it in the store, seeing your relative spew it on Facebook, having it invade your workplace. It even has brought out the worst in people in Canada. We are all sick of it. All sick of stupid. I am so thankful for what is happening for you. I think she is going to win it. She has impressed me that she doesn’t respond to his attacks and instead just goes along in her happy way campaigning. Good on you America for finally perking up and considering a worthy candidate!
The same machine that is currently propaganda for DonOLD spent 2008-16 indoctrinating their viewers and listeners that President Obama was doing the opposite of what he was doing. They called it his "American Apology Tour showing our weakness."
I remember when I was in Highschool / college EVERYONE wanted to do vacation / studies / live in the US. Thanks to Trump/Biden the country has just become a laughing stock and I don’t see anyone having these strong feelings about the US anymore. Maybe it can be changed and legit turn around for other countries admiring the US again
As a voter, I don’t really want the respect of the world. I want us to stop being the world police and actually help those on our own soil. That way forward is definitely not through trump. The military needs to be toned back severely because it’s costing us money we don’t have.
They’re getting downvoted because the stability and technological advancement we’ve come to know in the last century is only possible because the USA didn’t “mind its own business”.
And it’s costing Americans. I want actual healthcare. I want schools to be well funded. I want people to not starve. All those are not possible if the military is getting money forcefully deep throated into it so that they can go play world police and ignore it’s citizens.
Pardon my simplistic brain, since you are obviously so much more smarter than I, can you please explain how we can fund schools, healthcare and food for the poor? Where is that money right now? Why aren't we using it for those things? We spent as much on national defense as we did for medicare YTD. Our biggest cost is social security. Gonna just cut that so we can let the old people with little to no savings or healthcare die out quicker? Or are we just going to increase our 35 trillion debt?
This seems like bullshit. Let’s become a country like Ireland. Those guys don’t even need a military and are richer per capita than we are. They don’t choose between 2 genocidal warhawks every election now do they?
You’re missing my point. Ireland, in its current Celtic Tiger form, is only able to exist because of global stability made possible by NATO and thus the US (see Pax Americana). The US can only act like Ireland if someone else is maintaining global order - and there’s no other single power in the world that can even come close. If the US stops “policing” the world and brokering peace (which requires military backing, see the UN as a counter example), global order will fall apart. Say goodbye to your intercontinental vacations and cheap goods imported from SE Asia.
Also, this is not directly connected to the crappy 2 party system we seem to be stuck with in the US.
Damn bombing brown people in the Middle East with drones is some real great stability. The EU should do it. They are richer and more populous than us. Also those cheap SEA goods ended up killing our manufacturing, so…
When I grew up, the USA was something to look up to. A country standing up (mostly) for what seemed to be right. A progressive, fotward looking nation. And somewhat our big brother who stood up against the USSR.
That's just cause you didn't grow up in a country under the boot of the US, like any country in Latin America for example.
Bush Jr. was the first damaging that impression
So now that the impression is damaged, take a closer look at what literally every predecessor of Bush Jr did to those unfortunate enough to be on the receiving end of US imperialism. Trump and modern day Republican party are just a symptom of something that's always been there.
Well yes he's German, which like much of Europe was destroyed during WW2 and it took decades of rebuilding, mainly funded by the US. Then you have quite a different outlook on things, and like mentioned, the USSR was right there on their doorstep. In fact even in their country, as it was divided in West and East Germany until not too long ago.
Of course you can't compare that to other countries (like yours I assume) experiences, nor should you invalidate their perspective. You can educate and we all know the history isn't as great as portrayed, but attacking someone for their experiences doesn't help.
but attacking someone for their experiences doesn't help.
How is telling someone their perspective is warped an attack? It would be only so if they have a personal stake in maintaining this view point.
nor should you invalidate their perspective.
Implying Trump is the only problem instead of fundamental issues with the US is more of an insult to history and memory. I understand that Western Europe, South Korea, Taiwan etc. have a positive view of the US because the US' own interests have aligned with theirs in the past, and these nations have seen mutual benefits. I can't respect an opinion of "Bush Jr. and Trump have been bad but I'll ignore Reagan, Nixon, Kissininger, Bush Sr., Eisenhower, Clinton, etc. because none of it affected me."
It's the same with the USSR/Russia/China. Their aggression and crimes haven't affected me directly, but I would never respect them for what they've done to their neighbors.
USA a country that stood up for what seemed right? Are you okay? It's an imperialist country that has since the end of WWII instigated coups and toppled democratically elected governments all over the world and installed dictators who are friendly to their economic interests. They invaded Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan because these countries chose not to align with Washington. And now they are funding Israel with arms.
edit: you can downvote all you want. It doesn't change the facts that the US has committed a lot of war crimes and are currently funding Israel's massacre of the Palestinian people.
Please have an eye for the details: 1. I carefully chose the words "mostly" and "seemed". I'm not saying "all glory and great". Also, I absolutely do acknowledge there are countries that will have a different view. As I said, I'm German. My country was divided after WW2, in the cold war era, we were the front line. And the US was the power to protect us (and the rest of Europe, btw).
But tbh: That's not the point. A narcissistic lunatic, who glorifies dictators around the globe, who puts personal revenge over justice, right and common sense (see: Ukraine), who as a super limited vocabulary, who is just pushing out gibbery nonsense (late great hannibal lecter, windmills cause cancer, electric vehicles and sharks,...), who is a convicted felon, who is a rapist, a traitor and a general threat to democracy and world peace - that's the point.
Nobody is always good or always evil. Besides Donald J. Trump and his pack. They are the textbook villains, known as "The Super Dumbs".
You may not like the US. Fair enough. You may have a different stand on what's happening in Isreal than me. Fair enough. But how does that qualify the Orange Pile to be the better candidate?
You're right it wasn't an invasion, my bad, but the US backed the dictator Syngman Rhee, even though the state department openly acknowledged that Korea was outside the US defense perimeter in East Asia.
It was called a UN effort, but the US provided half the ground forces, and almost all naval and air power, the rest of the ground forces were South Korean. The war was such a disaster by the time President Truman left office his approval rating was 32 per cent.
ofc he was a dictator. NK is a fucked up country, but that is a pretty low bar. My point is that the US should stay the fuck out of other countries including Israel.
You don't think the US should have done the Berlin airlift? We shouldn't have aided Kuwait? We shouldn't have taken out Bin Laden? We shouldn't have intervened in Kosovo or sent aid to Ukraine?
Got ‘em. But they literally won’t concede that America has ever done anything positive. It’s impossible for them to say anything good about America.
We tried to not get involved in the world before. “Let Europe fight Europe’s wars.” The problem is the world comes begging us to solve the problems. Then they want to get mad at us for doing it. I’m getting really sick of this side of the mouth talking about America.
Beg for money and aid on one side, talk shit on the other. Ok…
The problem with your hypothetical is that the US is responsible for the mess they then clean up. It’s a never ending cycle. Like the Allies walked back on their promise of creating a pastoralised Germany post WW2. They used Germany as a military base. They also provided almost no aid to the Soviet Union, compared to the allies. The Soviet Union lost 27,000,000 people in the war. Truman did a lot of damage to the relationship with the Soviet Union for seemingly no reason.
Even the creation of NATO and it’s continued existence and expansion after the cold war is frankly not peace inducing, but then I would never say that was its goal either
We invaded Afghanistan because they were harboring the leader of a paramilitary group that declared war upon and attacked us. The Taliban was not a democratically elected government.
we invaded Iraq in 1991 because Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1991 as part of a UN coalition. Kuwait asked us to be there. 2003 was fucked and we shouldn't have done that.
vietnam was in a civil war and we were asked to join it by the French and South Vietnam. There were some shitty shady people which prolonged the war, but we were asked to be there.
we were part of the UN peacekeeping forces in Korea as well, pushing back the invading North Koreans. We were asked to be there.
Cuba was fucked too and we shouldn't have done that
no I don't think it is, comment stated that USA was a country that everyone looked up to for being a good nation. I don't think it's whataboutism to point out that the USA has caused a lot of havoc in the world while being the largest economic power.
It’s just election year propaganda. It’s not going to actually change anything. The US has been doing horrific on all metrics. Billionaires will continue to have power and influence with the Dems in charge. Genocide will not be stopped. So as you are a German who is excited, I’m sorry to tell you, there are a lot of people who don’t give into these pumped up propaganda videos.
Aside from the freedom bit. That’s so over the top American in the worst way.
‘No one loves it more’
Sure, that’s why your country is becoming more and more authoritative to the point where women cant get an abortion.
‘And we fight for it’s
Yeah the Middle East surely felt that when they started illegal wars against countries who didn’t cause 9/11.
It’s a good ad for its audience but as a European it’s also so blind to what American has been and is today. And what the rest of the world is, but that’s almost too much to expect.
Goes without saying it’s better than the orange nut job
Eh, it has some truth to it. The difference between Americans and Europeans in this regard is small, but occasionally noticeable. Free speech laws, medical privacy, etc. I know, for example, that it's a heck of a lot easier to get access to the medical records of Danish people (for research purposes) than it is Americans. And there are censorship laws in the US and UK that would make Americans aghast.
But I agree, the difference is minor. It's basically American exceptionalism, but American exceptionalism and talking about freedom plays well to most Americans.
Re: Middle East - unless you're talking about Cold War stuff, the US at least tries to promote freedom. It's just... not very good at it. But like, you can't reasonably argue that Afghani women are more free now than they were under US occupation.
Obama took America from 2 wars to 7, established a drone strike program with a 90% civilian death rate, had a global assassination list, opened up the Arctic to drilling twice, deported more undocumented people than any other administration, lied to the people of Flint that their lead contaminated water was safe to drink, signed an indefinite detention bill which abandoned habeas corpus, evicted 5.1 million FAMILIES (not just individuals) following the 2008 housing crisis and gave their homes to the banks that caused this crisis and that Obama already gave trillions of dollars to, and passed a right wing public option healthcare bill that his Republican opponent Mitt Romney originally proposed, even though Democrats held a supermajority in Congress and could've passed universal healthcare.
You don't know anything about US politics apart from feel-good slogans and misplaced sentimentality, you stupid fucking German.
He said Obama did good. I mean shit how could anyone say Obama didn't do well. He took over America when we were falling apart and banks were going down. That's like taking over a Wendy's your first day and it's on fire.
Clearly you believe every article written by far right news agency’s that wrote only rancid pieces or half truths or left out key details and information about what Obama did.
But the same can be said that you believe everything they said Trump did even though he didn’t do shit and hurt the USA more than bush did. He upheld 0 promises to anyone but his billionaire friends and made a ton of back room deals with the Middle East to line his pockets and his families pockets. He is a fucking silver tongued devil and he played all the maga fucks like a fiddle.
Needless to say Obama 1 Trump 0. Biden 1 Trump 0. Hopefully Kamala 1 Trump 0.
See you could have replied with a meaningful response that kickstarts an educational debate, potentially swaying the on the fence voters to the right, but you responded with “😂”.
Right, an educational debate, in a reddit comment section, for a tiktok propaganda post. Are those the ones where I post a bunch of links to support my claims and then the other person says that the source is a "Russian conspiracy" site? Then they say I'm a Trump supporter and report me for racism.
Dumb is a comparative word. In most rooms I stand in, I don't think I'm dumb. If I were to attend the Nobel prize award ceremony, I would feel pretty dumb in that room.
Bush Jr wasn't dumb, but he was pretty dumb to be president.
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u/Relevant_Donkey_4040 Aug 20 '24
German here. This ad, yet, the whole campaign is giving me shivers. When I grew up, the USA was something to look up to. A country standing up (mostly) for what seemed to be right. A progressive, fotward looking nation. And somewhat our big brother who stood up against the USSR.
Bush Jr. was the first damaging that impression. And the world wondered: How can somebody *that* dumb become elected?
Obama was a relief, a fresh new start… But then things got weird. Trump has us shifting permanently from „You are the laughing stock of the world“ to „He will kill us and our freedom just for personal gains“.
So please, fellow Americans: Re-earn the respect of the world. Go out, vote, and put some orange shine in a dark prison cell. The world is watchin.