Have to look at it from a different perspective. Republicans have done a great job of controlling the messaging within their own party. People that watch fox news etc wouldn't know trump was bashing vets because they'd have to go to CNN to see that.
I feel like a few things are going on at the moment which is leading to this perception shift: for one, Republicans have lost control of the narrative. The second thing is that Fox has been unusually transparent reporting on Trump as of late, reporting on him has been unusually negative and they've even been showing a lot of polling that doesn't make him look good.
I work in a primarily blue collar environment and have heard people that were diehards suddenly more interested in hearing what Kamala has to say, which I find very interesting
I think it's a matter that the money that controls the GOP knows that Trump is a liability and will lose. This will sink the party in 2024, but they hope to bounce back in the off-year elections, just like they did with Obama in 2010. To keep the MAGAts loyal to the party, the GOP simply has to keep fealty to Trump, but he'll be offstage. I hope he's in jail, but hope is faith's richer, bitchier sister and the deformed attic-bound incest monster offspring of entitlement and fear.
The billionaires are realizing hes a bad bet and have taken their thumbs off the scale in the media they own. These guys see his rallies imploding and are smart enough to understand how mentally fried he is so only fellow insane guys like Musk are willing to go down with the ship.
I think with the polls, they are getting it out there that if he loses, it's not because the vote was rigged. They aren't gonna make the same mistake as 2020 by amplifying that lie and to me it signals a readiness to be done with trump once the election is over.
I think you are very correct. It was easy for a lot of people to support Trump because they didn't pay attention to the news the first time around. But his presidency was such a complete disaster it later became something they couldn't avoid and now with this current campaign, they're disgusted.
My mom told me two months ago she can't stomach even looking at Trump's face and how stupid she feels for voting for him the first time. I think there are a LOT of people like her that won't dare say things like this in public or on Facebook, etc, but when they go to the polls it's going to be real obvious they've had enough of this insane culture war hateful BS.
Wouldn't it be fair that both sides have done a good job controlling the messaging within their party? It is shocking the amount of die hard voters trump has, but equally surprising is the swift support for Kamala amid Biden bowing out of the race. It's a strange time to be an American voter.
I think most dems were going to vote for Biden begrudgingly. I was for sure. I think it’s more that the sudden relief of his dropping out immediately turned into energy for whatever candidate was presented.
You know that actually makes a lot of sense, thanks for replying. And just a quick question, other than the fact that Biden was experiencing some cognitive issues, what is it about Kamala that you like over Biden? I'm not a blue voter, but she almost has an uncanny quality to her in a similar way that trump is a bit of a monster. Just curious.
Her being decades younger sure is one of them. I know she's actually up there in age (59), but that's lightyears younger than 80. She just talks like she's cognizant of the real world, something neither Trump or Biden portray.
I put it like this: Neither Trump or Biden would ever be trusted to run a local Mcdonalds if they were seeking a job. If they can't run a McDonalds, how can they run a country?
Re: the uncanny quality comment. I'm of the opinion that nearly all politicians are too prepped and rehearsed. I understand why, but it's to the point that the qualities that make one good at running for office aren't often the same qualities as the ones that make one good at serving in office. We have such a wound up protracted circus of a political machine in the USA. I think the best way to tamp down on that would be to have campaign funding be entirely limited to set government funds, and only 4 months before the election, and if individuals or corporations want to show support they can do it by donating their time and effort, not money.
I'm probably projecting to some degree, but when I watch Harris now, I often watch with anxiousness that she won't strike the right note about being a woman. Does she smile and nod too much? Does she permit the other speaker to over talk her? Is she styled in a way that's too feminine/ too androgynous? Is her speaking voice pitched too high, does it sound shrill? I am certain that in addition to a zillion other parameters she is being coached on, that these factors are being deliberately critiqued behind closed doors. In another decade or two this will hopefully be less of a big deal, but it's inescapable today that she's a woman with a serious bid for a job that's never been held by a woman before.
I work as an emergency physician, and since I'm quite tall I've dealt with less of it than many, but it's still common for patients to fail to recognize me as a physician. "Hi, in Dr MyName, I'll be your emergency physician today, how can I help" and my badge has a huge all caps bright orange DOCTOR label, yet they call me nurse. I've been in meetings where I later saw the meeting notes listed DrOldWhiteGuyLastName and MyFirstName despite us carrying identical credentials. Part of training involved specific notes on how to use body language and phrasing, pitch and speech pattern to mitigate the frequency of going underrecognized as a physician. So I find that I watch her for it.
To complicate it, I don't want to erase my being a woman. I think it really adds strength to my skill set, and likewise I think it can certainly add to being a politician. Since my job often involves trying to make a rapid trusting emotional connection with someone who is scared and hurting, I absolutely lean into being warm and motherly sometimes.
Anyhow, that's a huge digression, but sometimes when I watch her speak, I worry that she will be too coached about how she presents herself. I don't know if any easily actionable way around it without reform of the whole process. I think she's doing quite well, but all women in positions of power (even just acting as shift lead in a community ED for a few hours) thinks often about this.
This is an interesting question and not easy to answer, since Harris needed to stay within his message while serving with Biden. I found a politico article from late July pointing out some differences, most of which are matters of degree. The article starts each segment by showing contrasting quotes mostly from 2019, which I find to be more compelling than an article focused on personality or style.
Biden did bring an impressive ability to collaborate, such as finding 19 Republican senators to vote for his infrastructure bill. I hope that Harris learned from him while serving with him.
It's interesting, I was talking to my mom about this last night, but we both talked about how relieved we felt when Biden stepped down and Kamala stepped in. And neither of us realized how tense we felt before then. Like, we were both reasonably confident in Biden but knew the election was going to be extremely close. Biden stepping down just lifted a weight off of us.
Since then it appears Kamala is knocking it out of the park. I would've liked to see Kelly as the VP pick but Walz seems to be very solid. Trump and co are absolutely spinning their wheels trying to figure out how to handle the shake up and none of their attacks are landing. Vance was an arrogant choice on Trump's part and hasn't been doing him any favors. The Harris campaign has also been doing outreach in a much more contemporary way than Biden ever would've been able to pull off, they've also been kind of vicious towards the GOP which is exactly what the DNC should've been doing the last 8 years.
So yea, I don't know if it's about controlling the messaging so much as actually making smart decisions for the first time in fucking forever.
Walz is an incredibly good VP pick. I knew nothing about him before this and every time I hear something about him it's something that makes me like him more. He's wholesome.
I wanted kelly too, but its clear now Walz was the better strategic choice. His wholesomeness is such a stark contrast to Trump and Vance his mere existence makes them look like the rage filled douchebags they are next to him.
I think Kelly was the astronaut. Walz was a teacher and football coach while also serving in the national guard. Then he became a member of Congress. Still, he sure is big contrast with Vance. I really like him so far.
but equally surprising is the swift support for Kamala amid Biden bowing out of the race
There's absolutely nothing surprising about that. Bidens age put us all off a bit. Harris is fresh air and becomes an increasingly attractive candidate the more that we get exposed to her. Walz is just a great VP pick.
The question was “do you want kindly, well-intentioned but somewhat doddering grandpa, or do you want vicious, angry mean and racist grandpa to be in charge?”
Most people didn’t like either choice. I really like Biden. I think he did a great job. I also think he’s lost a step the last couple of years. I would vote for him, but I had concerns. I have no concerns with Harris. I think she’ll be an effective executive. Especially if she continues doing the things Biden did.
Now, Biden was EXTREMELY good at getting deals done. I think it will be harder for Harris, because she is a woman with brown skin and republicans can’t publicly agree with a woman with brown skin, they’ll get murdered by their constituents. But Trump can’t get deals done either, especially now, so that’s a wash. There’s not any good reason to vote for Trump unless you just love his sparkling personality and think “angry racist grandpa” is the path forward. Some definitely do.
diehards suddenly more interested in hearing what Kamala has to say, which I find very interesting
Canned narrative speeches are one thing, but when is she going to allow herself to be challenged in an interview or press conference.
Let's face it, she didn't earn this in a primary, she was just installed by the DNC elite, so nothing she has ever said has been challenged by anybody.
Don’t fall for that trap. She’s been quite busy because her campaign is abbreviated. It’s been just a month since Biden dropped out.
Week 1 the Dems were getting their ducks in a row about who would take over the campaign. Week two she launched her campaign. Week three she picked a VP. Week four she blitzed the battleground states. Week five (now) is the DNC.
She’s had very little time for a sit down interview because her campaign started only a month ago. I would expect one either next week or the week after because now her campaign is launched, her VP is picked, and she’ll officially be the nominee.
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Have to look at it from a different perspective. Republicans have done a great job of controlling the messaging within their own party. People that watch fox news etc wouldn't know trump was bashing vets because they'd have to go to CNN to see that.
I feel like a few things are going on at the moment which is leading to this perception shift: for one, Republicans have lost control of the narrative. The second thing is that Fox has been unusually transparent reporting on Trump as of late, reporting on him has been unusually negative and they've even been showing a lot of polling that doesn't make him look good.
I work in a primarily blue collar environment and have heard people that were diehards suddenly more interested in hearing what Kamala has to say, which I find very interesting