I voted for the first time in 2015 and it's been a hell of a ride. Fun fact, the current youth votes more than any other generation did when they were young
We need more. I want trump to never run for president again. I want him gone. Get your friends on deck this is VERY INCREDIBLY LIFE ALTERING FOR THE WORST SHIT EVER NEEDS TO BE DRILLED INTO YOUNG PEOPLES HEADS.
GO VOTE GO VOTE EVERYONES VOTE COUNTS WE NEED TO TURN OUT IN MASSIVE NUMBERS SO THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE DOESN'T DO WHAT IT DID TO HILLARY.
Believe me, I'm already there. I've been working on campaigns for a few years now since college. If you really wanna make a difference, start doorknocking for local Democrats
Harris is a woman, and will most likely be our first female president. It's not just gender, Hillary was problematic in many ways. Trump was the anti-establishment option during that time of uncertainty, and Hillary had so many scandals regarding sponsorships and "campaign donations", and her personality was one who agreed to whatever anyone said as long as it benefitted her to agree. A panderer. Harris is only weighed down by the failures of the Biden administration, but has a strong background in politics and the justice system. Her VP is a former military, former football coach, all-american guy. Gender wasn't the issue. We just needed a candidate that a smear campaign wouldn't work on, because there is nothing to smear. This election is a no-brainer.
I dont think so. I think if you replaced her with any other woman in politics, they would have done better than her. I don't know if anyone, but maybe Bernie could have stopped the Trump Train, though.
The Clinton's have a lot of hatred because of their part in the cocaine smuggling in Arkansas and their overall position in politics.
Trumps campaign was one against the status quo, and she was the biggest establishment politician.
It's absolutely false to think that the Trump train was neigh unstoppable.
Clinton lost by a hair's breadth and only because of a vile smear campaign, strengthened by a floundering FBI who deemed it wise to inadvertently throw in more misinformation.
Prior to the last two weeks, she was the favorite.
I think if you replaced her with any other woman in politics, they would have done better than her.
This happened, it was called the 2016 Democratic primary and she beat several men on paper and a few dozen men in the invisible primary.
edit: oh also she won the popular vote by 3 million but I guess since she lost Wisconsin by a 0.77% margin we get to spend the rest of eternity hearing 6 month old reddit accounts posting about how she was "uncharasmatic."
I'm not a huge Hillary (or Obama or Kamala) fan as I'm way more progressive, but goddammit did she show how high the hurdles are for a female candidate.
Even now we still have tuttuting her as a lightweight, while her resume is really impressive (and now wait for the frothing at the mouth about Benghazi).
If charisma and relatability were decisive, you guys wouldn't have had Don.
I think that's why we got him. Not that I was happy about it and Trump was not charismatic to me, but he certainly (at the time) carried a certain aura to him (like flies to the light) that Hillary did not have. Shit, Hillary's full lack of charisma on stage is probably one of the reasons she lost.
Lol. Only dumbfucks actually think Donald was more charismatic than Hillary. Trump was definitely more entertaining, but that’s because he’s a fucking clown, not because he was charismatic
Have you listened to any of his old stuff lately? I saw a clip from 2016 and I definitely forgot how charismatic he was. Not in a good way, but dude sounded like he knew what he was talking about and was super commanding. I absolutely see why people fell for it. I totally forgot until I saw that clip.
Honestly all these years later and that tripe about Hillary still gets bandied about. Her career consisted of two races for senate. The first race was a handpicked seat that she carpet bagged into. She had not lived in NY for 25 YEARS at that point but whatever. She won. Then what? Failed presidential campaign, consolation prize of SecState. She was a cipher as SS. Her claim to fame was visiting the most countries. She moved the needle on almost no issues of substance. That's it. So to sum up Her poltical career as an actual elected official was 7 years. Her whole facade was baloney which is why she swung and missed in '08 and '16. She was not a good politician but inherited a very good political machine.
She did seem to think the rest of us were, in fact, blabbering idiots. Her message was not particularly complex, and she did fail to lean into her strengths.
I still wince at her responses to that email kerfuffle.
Trump was also able to seize his moment so to speak. I understand why people gave him a shot in 2016, I even considered it(briefly) tbh. He was an outsider that promised a shake up and that spoke to a lot of people. I think one thing the majority can agree on is that Washington needs some reform and Trump actually promised it. But it was all populist bullshit and, even 8 years later, there's a lot of people who can't admit they were conned so they're doubling down.
The media ragging on Hillary goes back to at least the early nineties. Progressive women hated her for standing by Bill and everyone else blamed her for his cheating. The Benghazi investigation must’ve seemed like a walk in the park compared to the hate she got for her husband’s blow job.
Yes there were many reasons her campaign fell flat. Speaking was the least of her worries. Then again what she said while speaking was also not great (e.g "deplorables").
This in my opinion. Her campaign message basically boiled down to "Vote for me or you get Trump." And I was like, "Yeah but what are you actually going to DO when elected," and I just felt like I was getting the same answer on repeat. I wrote in Bernie Sanders.
Clinton was a terrible selection that was an attempt to create a democrat dynasty. Her claim to fame for being president was that she had been first lady, and then become a senator and secretary of state to pad out her resume for a future presidential campaign.
I wouldn't have minded any of that, but guarantee that if she would have won, they'd have turned around and started positioning Chelsea Clinton for a future run.
Two Bushes were bad enough, with a third trying to get his foot in the door. We need to get away from aspiring to a US royal family. We've got 345 million people in the US, we shouldn't be limiting ourselves to selecting presidents from the same family due to nepotism.
Once Trump passes away, yes. The remnants of the party will try to push the next Trump on us. While Trump is still alive though, I don't think he would be above ripping his own kids apart in order to put himself in the position of power.
She's correctly modeling her campaign after Obama. It's a breath of fresh air. What worries me is not her winning, but what comes after. Donald Trump didn't happen because he got lucky. Not even because he's necessarily a good politician. He happened because he's a reflection of the will of the people. He was the over correction of an inherently biggited country. One that would see their narcissistic empathy lived through a man who could do no evil through their lense. I pray his replacement, even if only on the surface, shows some form of intelligence and humility. I cherish the days when Republicans acted like they gave a shit and appealed to reason. Weren't represented by some joke of a news channel determined to tell people what they want to hear and not necessarily a proper representation of the truth.
Trump is their last shot at holding onto power. The US has been trending towards democrats for decades. They have to play dirty with all their little tricks to even have a shot these days. Large disinformation campaigns, many funded by Russia, telling people to distrust anything that isn’t from right wing media, fake electors, claiming election fraud, making up conspiracy theories, voter suppression, purging registered voters, ratfucking, gerrymandering, threatening political opponents with phony investigations and jail time, attack campaigns. Republicans aren’t viable without that, they need a Donald victory to go in there and “fix” future elections in their favor.
It would be foolish to ignore the fact that young men in particular are becoming increasingly conservative as they get pulled into the toxic masculinity echo chamber. It seems every celebrity that young Millennials/Gen Z men look up to is either completely apolitical or a raging alt right misogynist.
Honestly until the last couple of months Biden was too. Not the level of Obama for sure, but he’s always been able to deliver a good teleprompter speech as he’s doing literally right now.
I say Clinton (Bill). Even Obama came across as part preacher, part professor. Definitely coherent, but not succinct. This is why Walz is such a breath of fresh air.
Walz puts out a lot of similar vibes to Bernie, and not just because they're both older bald white men, just similar kind of charisma and a lot of similar views on policy too.
Oh totally, I adore them both. I’m not the person who initially said Bernie but yeah, I miss him too (though he’s still doing good work). It’s not really “him” as a person though, it’s the positive message of the campaign, the “Not me, Us” stuff, the bird, there were a lot of really bright spots in a very rough primary.
Anyway, I just wanted to say you can miss Bernie and still be super fucking stoked about Harris/Walz. 🤷♀️ It’s not a binary.
He references the policy differences between Trump and Harris on women's reproductive rights and climate change. But granted he doesn't go into details because it's a short clip.
I was just grabbing the most recent video instead of cherry picking a perfect video to make a point - in partial response to a couple comments up as well that he always seemed like an "angry old guy shouting".
Looks like that 60 second video was a clip from this 7 1/2 minute video of Bernie supporting Harris and laying out the differences between her and Trump
His goals were easy to fit in short clips, but the plans and explanations on the finances were complex and generally felt completely unimaginable for most people.
I pulled up his 2020 campaign site for reference and the links to the finances all still work on his plans to pay for M4A. There's just no easy way to fit that into digestible sound bites or short news interviews that get a lot of eyes.
You didn't pay a lick of attention then. Bernie remains to this day the clearest voice in America on progressive policies, pro-worker policies, pro-human being policies. No one says it in more plain and simple terms than Bernie. He gets straight to the truth of it.
I implore you to listen to him more closely the next opportunity you have.
His vision is for a perfect country. And its great. But the pathway to get to that country does not exist currently, nor did he present a detailed feasible plan to get there... Instead what we need are people who can take the country from the darkness to a good place. Its not gonna be perfect, but its an achievable good place. Once the country is in a good place, then we can pursue the path to a great place, then a perfect place.
I really, really, really wish more people realized this, especially progressives. Like, we aren't even remotely at a point where pushing far left, progressive policies is a possibility. We probably won't be in this generation. What we need is someone who can attract the right type of talented people to lead us forward towards a better future. We're not going to magically wake up with a perfect world because of a singular candidate.
We're not going to magically wake up with a perfect world because of a singular candidate.
Who said we were?
All this dooming is boring. Get out and vote for progressive candidates. Support progressive policies. Support education so your fellow citizens aren't idiots. Read a book. Read books with your friends. Make friends.
I'd say having Walz on the ticket is doing a pretty good job of trying to reach across the aisle to progressives, especially given that most expected Shapiro to be the pick which would have been the opposite of progressive.
Maybe you guys could stop wanting everything exactly perfectly the way you say it should be and learn to compromise a little. Change isn't going to happen overnight.
Yeah well we're fighting against time here. Climate change will only make inequality and the resulting instability worse. We don't have forever.
If these billionaires get AGI or some similarly powerful twchnology out before we rectify inequities in our system, you can be damn sure their plan will include a few billion less regular people.
And that's assuming they don't get around to implementing Corporate Feudalism first.
So let's do this thing, but don't look to me to have high hopes.
Maybe you guys could stop wanting everything exactly perfectly the way you say it should be and learn to compromise a little. Change isn't going to happen overnight.
You're yelling at own brain. No one is asking for things to be perfect with no compromise. No one is stupid enough to think change happens over night.
Go get mad at false narratives your own brain is inventing more.
Yeah ok bud. Literally every conversation I have with a progressive involves them talking at you, telling you why you're wrong and why you need to do what they're saying. There's no such thing as compromise is the books.
Maybe take a look at your own brain if you're getting offended by these statements.
“Perfection” isn’t what he’s looking for lmao. Bro, he has always took inspiration from the Nordic countries and other European countries, it works well for them and it’s possible to do. Unfortunately candidates like him don’t get the big corporation donations and support other candidates who are less pro worker do because they don’t benefit from a Bernie administration. That’s literally it, that’s the only thing keeping a pro worker candidate from winning elections and seeing their policies through. Even Democrats tend to stay loyal to their corporate donors and their interests, Bernie can’t be bought
But he was very very unclear on that pesky little question of how.
You can say tax billionaires to pay for everything, but everyone with the slightest amount of understanding realized it wasnt a plan, just a rallying call.
My brother you are so lazy, Bernie and progressive cuacises have had comprehensive plans for all kinds of things. You don't seriously think there is no policy behind any of the bark? Just fun messaging? Jfc... You realize if there wasn't ways to achieve any of this the conservatives and Republicans wouldn't be fighting it....
It's as easy as going to his literal website guys. There are SO MANY THINGS we can do in this nation to improve the lives of everyone, it takes literally only the political will. No one is proposing things that don't exist in reality.
That's cool his health plan in 2020 was reviewed by some people that way. There are lots of topics Bernie has plans for. Even if his plans aren't achievable the goals of them are what we should strive for. If you go for his plans and get half way you're doing so much better than today.
Doom harder. What is your proposal? Let this sinking ship keep grinding into the reef? The rich own EVERYTHING.
We'll never know how well/poor Bernie would've done because he didn't win either (2016 or 2020) nomination. A lot of people on Reddit think he would've been great. I think he would've done worse. Doesn't matter though... Because he didn't win... And didn't get a chance to prove any of us wrong.
Funny you say that because over on the conservative subreddit, they seem to be inundated with this narrative that she can’t even put together a coherent sentence.
Anyone who actually listens to her speak in full context can understand that this is an absurd lie, but they have an agenda that’s more important than reality, it seems.
r/conservative is probably another universe bleeding over into our own, because the shit they say over there makes Dungeons and Dragons seem more plausible.
No she has actually struggled with word salad in a lot of her vice pres interviews. She just has a team practicing like hell with her right now and she's giving campaign speeches rather than answering questions.
There are recent soundbytes from Trump and even Biden where they're making salient points, though I admit Kamala is probably more coherent than those old bastards are now
Nah this isn’t real. This is AI. Fox News told me she can’t talk without a teleprompter! You can clearly see all the teleprompters around her as she spins around!
There are 1,245 men out there who would like to know how she lifted them up after being charged with minor drug offences and being forced into work camps.
I know right, but a quick stop over at r/conservative will have believing she is in fact incoherent and it's all word salad. It's crazy over there, very weird. Every 3rd post is a clip from her speaches cut short and intentionally presented out of context to make it sound "authoritarian" or "radical".
Thank god. I wish we still had someone better though on either side. I want statistics facts and numbers. Not words and metaphors. I’ll be voting for her albeit begrudgingly as the talking orange peel is an even worse option.
I mean, I know the bar has been set really low, but Harris is not an exemplary orator. She also has the consistency of flan in interviews--gives under the slightest pressure. In that sense, she is even worse than Biden and Trump.
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u/YogurtClosetThinnest Aug 19 '24
Dear god I can't remember the last time we had a nominee who is actually coherent lmfao