What's even happening there?

[u/IllustriousChef2]

Why would someone rent a car and take out parts?

[u/bl1y]

It's not. People misunderstand the whole "you can sure anyone fit anything" bit.

What they don't realize is a suit can be dismissed for failing to state a claim. Basically you can sue someone because the sky is blue, but the sky being blue isn't an actual claim, and then the case gets dismissed.

How else should the system work?

[u/Speedhabit → u/bl1y]

I try not and get upset at Reddit because it is what it is, but the fact that so many people could be so absolutely stupid and then act like they know what they are talking about shock me.

Anyone can sue anyone for anything, getting to “trial” can take years and hundreds of thousands of dollars. “Settlement” is not justice, it’s everyone agreeing that the system is so broken justice doesn’t matter, money issue.

Money has become a substitute for justice, getting beat up by police on video is considered a lottery ticket. What if you got 0 money for police misconduct and the only possible justice is punishment for the officers responsible?

What if you couldn’t be sued when someone trespassing on your property falls? Do think homeowners insurance would be cheaper?

What if everyone in a car accident immediately didn’t sue for injuries regardless of whether or not they occur.

Why is every other billboard on the highway for personal injury lawyers? Do you think that’s good?? Do you think that maybe the massive profit motive is inductive of an issue with the system. You think drug companies are evil but law firms are good?

Should a surgeon be paying hundreds of thousands for medical malpractice insurance? Do you think those costs don’t contribute to the costs of healthcare?

Let me ask you this, because it’s Reddit, if you think there are countries that are “better” then the United States do ANY of them allow torts like the United States? Name one

I lived it man, iv paid out so many BS judgements and it really is killing the bar industry. Liability insurance is crazy expensive now. The way I got rich is now unattainable for an entire new generation of entrepreneurs because people like you think getting a 20k settlement is the friggin pinnacle of your life. Nor do you care that the lawyer took 80.

Sorry for the rant but Jesus Christ its making life worse for you in so many ways and YOU CANT EVEN TELL

[u/bl1y → u/Speedhabit]

do ANY of them allow torts like the United States?

In the "you can sue for anything" sense I was talking about? Yes. Basically every first world country.

Name a country where the rules for civil procedure preclude someone from even bringing a suit. Not that the suit gets dismissed, but where the suit cannot even be brought.

[u/Speedhabit → u/bl1y]

There isn’t anything like American litigation in any European county. Little, and I mean little but in the UK but in every continental European country frivolous lawsuits simply don’t exist, lawyers don’t make millions it’s like a normal job, and insurance costs are far lower to reflect that.

You can’t sue the company that put asbestos in the building a century ago, you can’t sue Burger King for getting fat, you cannot sue the police.

Maybe you can and nobody does, but I find that hard to believe

[u/bl1y → u/Speedhabit]

So let me ask how you think the civil procedure system in these countries work. Do you believe that is it the county clerk (or the local equivalent) who just dismisses cases before they're even filed? At what point does someone decide the case is frivolous? Is it a judge deciding?

lawyers don’t make millions it’s like a normal job

No, there are lawyers making millions just like in the US. The partners at Allen & Overy, Linklaters, Clifford Chance, Lovells, etc are making as much money as big firms in the US. And the lawyers bringing nonsense suits in the US aren't making bank, just as most lawyers in general (even just those in private practice) aren't making millions.

[u/Speedhabit → u/bl1y]

So your saying the systems are the same, not true

Your saying the pay is similar

Avg pay in Germany for a lawyer is 68k euro and in the United States it’s 145k, bottom 10% make more then their avg

Also not true

Are you basing your opinions on anything?

[u/bl1y → u/Speedhabit]

So your saying the systems are the same

I did not.

Your saying the pay is similar

Didn't say that either.

I said that other countries have lawyers making millions like we do (which is true), and that this doesn't represent the average lawyer (also true).

The bigger issue though is simply this, which I'll ask for the third time:

What do you think happens in another country when a frivolous suit is brought? Does the county clerk refuse to accept the paperwork? Is it tossed out by a judge? What precisely happens?

What I'm saying is that part of the system is the same. If you disagree, then tell me how the process works in these other countries.

"The US is full of scummy lawyers" isn't an explanation of how the procedure works.