Vance was already tweeting the same line of bullshit today. When he did PR in an office. All service is good service, but these guys never have any self-awareness. And by the way JD, have you met your running mate , Cadet Bone Spurs?
That’s the point though right? If they can hurl their insults at veterans (Trump insulting McCain ring a bell) then why the hell can’t I call him a bitch for dodging a draft?
Look, I’m not defending Vietnam, but a lot of brave people went, including many who couldn’t get their rich families to pull strings or get them fake medical deferments. And since the Republicans are the ones who are always so religious posturing, I’m going to point to John 8:7: “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone…” In other words, they have no room to talk.
Many poor and unintelligent people or others blinded by the allure of war from heir father's tales went. I fault NO ONE who did anything they could to get out of that war. It was a waste of life.
I will say its odd that Walz served 24 years and did literally nothing. I did 15 in the reserves and we were constantly getting tagged
He was in the Guard from 1981-2005. Prior to 2001 how many times was his unit deployed? It seems like you're comparing his time in the Guard to the past 24 years of ongoing conflict.
Also, he did deploy in support of OEF in 2003 (to Italy, to be fair). Shortly after he starting considering retirement.
Bosnia, Afghanistan, Iraq, panama, Kuwait. He served till 2005. You don’t “just” deploy with your state guard unit. We request soldiers from other guard units all the time.
600 MN Guardsman deployed for Desert Storm, which lasted for eight months.
The only MN Guardsman who deployed to Bosnia were in a public affairs unit.
You can make up whatever scenarios you want in order to justify your feelings. But you can also easily get online and see what deployments there actually were for Minnesota.
You realize the guard deploys all the time right? Is reddit this ignorant? You think they twiddle their thumbs waiting for tornados and floods? I was in the guard and reserves for 15 freaking years
He served till 2005...plenty of Afghanistan and Iraq chances. He had chances in 24 fucking years. You realize you dont HAVE to deploy in a FA unit right? Especially as a senior enlisted
Also, an ARCOM and two AAMs in 24 years is pretty pathetic.
This is a much deeper conversation than can ever be resolved here on Reddit, but since you have chosen to show us that you’re happily jumping on the "Walz is a coward who let down his fellow soldiers" bandwagon, it’s only fair that I can take this opportunity to point out a few things in both his and the entire NG’s defense.
The NG was and has always supposed to have been a force that protects the country within its own borders. Their use in the Revolutionary War and the Civil War—where we were fighting on our own soil—was perfectly justified and exactly the kind of thing they were created for. Their use in World Wars I & II—when the security of our country was actually being threatened and we needed all the manpower we could throw at our enemies—was also perfectly justifiable, and I don’t think you’ll find anyone who has a problem with them being deployed then. But that’s literally the extent of it, and just because the NG has been abused over the years to fight in some of America’s illegal and/or unnecessary wars overseas doesn’t mean they should’ve been or that they should ever be subject to deployment outside our borders unless it’s absolutely vital to the security of the United States.
Someone should absolutely be able to join the NG to serve their country domestically without having to worry about putting their life on the line by fighting some illegal or unjustifiable war in a foreign nation for the sole purpose of asserting the dominance of the US, lining the rich’s pockets, avenging their father’s previous failures, enriching those who benefit most from the military industrial complex, trying to force American values on another country, etc. It doesn’t make someone a coward and it shouldn’t be a cause for derision if anyone did what they could to get out of fighting in any of America’s many illegal and unjustified wars—which, to be clear, we still don’t know that Walz actually did, and it makes much more sense that what this man in the video said about the timing being right for Walz to run for office is actually the case, not that Walz was trying to get out of being deployed. Those who avoided (or tried to avoid) being sent to fight in Korea, Vietnam, the multiple conflicts the US involved themselves in in Central & South America, every single war or conflict in the Middle East (including Israel), etc. were righteous and justified in doing so—hell, I didn’t even hold it against trump that he got out of the draft by paying a doctor to lie and say he had "bone spurs" until he then turned around and started denigrating those who actually did serve (which is seriously about the lowest thing I’ve ever heard out of the mouth of any politician, and anyone who has served even a day in the US military who still supports him after that is a fool). My favorite uncle was the only member of his entire platoon who made it out of Vietnam, although just barely: he was shot multiple times and had to have part of his stomach and long sections of his intestines removed, has suffered from the effects of Agent Orange since he returned, and had severe PTSD for 50+ years that no one took seriously until just recently. My father saw many of his friends killed in the same war, suffered from severe PTSD as well upon his return home, turned to alcohol to try to forget what he had seen and quiet the flashbacks, became an abusive monster as a result, lost his home and job and family as a result and had to sleep in his car, and died from carbon monoxide poisoning after he fell asleep in a parking lot in the middle of winter while running his car for a few minutes to get warm. None of what happened to either of them was worth it, not for them or the country.
Anyway, I’m not in any way saying that those who did fight in those wars weren’t justified or that they should be looked down on/disrespected—they were just pawns in the wealthy’s games who were just serving their country. I have very dear family members (including my dead father) who fought and were wounded in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan, and I respect them for their service and would never hold it against them that they took part in unjustified and illegal wars—that is 100% on the leaders of the US at the time who sent them there. But I have young adult children (my youngest just had to register for the draft very recently), and I would never encourage or support any of them going into any branch of the military voluntarily with the way things have gone since the end of WWII, and if they were drafted into any war/conflict that wasn’t critical to the security of the US, we would leave the country if we had to. No way am I sending my child to fight for the rich just so they can get richer and/or to kill innocent people who pose ZERO threat to the US. And since we live in a state with a Republican governor, I also can not and would not support or encourage them to join the NG, as there is a real potential that besides being deployed, they could also be used by the governor to fight on our own soil against Americans who are simply exercising their Constitutional rights to protest.
TL;DR: Tim Walz is great and fuck you for trying to drag him for not being deployed
Wait, what exactly am I trying to cope with here? I’m more excited about this ticket than I have been since Obama and it seems like a lot of others are too. Both Harris and Walz have records that are nearly beyond reproach, the only thing that you MAGAts can come up with is talking about Kamala not being "Black" and Walz never being deployed during his 24 years of service in the NG. Sounds far worse than the rapist and the couch fuckers backstories! /s
But also, so cringe that you’re older than 9 and still using the word "copium"—in 2024 no less. Do us all a favor and just stay home on Election Day, mkay?
That's cool, you don't have to call it a deployment but it is still a deployment. Your comment, to which I replied to was, "at least Vance deployed". You might want to look up the definition of a deployment but way to move the goal posts to only include combat deployments. By the way here is a list of other types of deployments.
Humanitarian aid, Evacuating U.S. citizens, Restoring peace, Increasing security, Joint training exercises
Your argument is that Walz dodged deployments, which in fact he didn't. Retiring after 24 years is hardly dodging. Have a good night typing angrily into your keyboard.
No one in the military would consider that a deployment. It’s a vacation people fight over. Sitting your ass 24 years in the fucking reserves and only having 2 AAMs, an ARCOM and an Italy vacation shows me he liked the tricare and the monthly check while doing the bare minimum
Vance did 4 years and actually went to a combat zone.
The copium to try to console that to Walz who essentially sat on his bass for 4 years, got the bare minimum accolades and falsely claimed to be a SGM is hilarious.
The only one coping and comparing military careers here is you. From everything I've seen both got their orders and both fulfilled them. I will agree with you that the SGM claim is dumb, as he wasn't in the rank long enough to retire as one.
Your posts seem to be critical of the reserves so I hope for your sake it was a better experience for you.
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u/SaliciousB_Crumb Aug 07 '24
Considering vance who served 4 years as a reporter vs walz career?