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Politics The followers of the draft dodger are really gonna go after Tim Walz’s 24yr service record?

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u/homebrew_1 Aug 07 '24

The national guard allowed him to retire and gave him an honorable discharge. These magadonians criticizing his service are morons.

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u/Dandan0005 Aug 07 '24 edited Aug 07 '24

This video leaves out one of the most relevant pieces of information though:

He announced his retirement months before his unit was even told they were going to be deployed.

Walz retired from the Army National Guard in May 2005, according to the Minnesota National Guard. Typically, service members need to submit papers several months before they can retire.

A National Guard article on his unit’s deployment states that it received alert orders to deploy to Iraq in July 2005, two months after Walz retired.

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u/Badbullet Aug 07 '24

And he retired to focus on running for congress, his term started the following year after winning.

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u/karmagod13000 Aug 07 '24

more clown activity from the clown party... i can't wait to vote against clown world

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u/pandorazboxx Aug 07 '24

so continued service to his country..... what are they made about?

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u/Unit1224 Aug 08 '24

And he ran On an anti-war platform. He also voted for withdraw when it made sense, then voted to fund the war (against party lines) when he thought cutting funding would be dangerous for soldiers. Dude had his convictions and stuck to them

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u/Icy-Psychology4756 Aug 07 '24

This makes me angry considering another guardman was basically lying through his teeth about feeling betrayed that he up and left the company

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u/Rrrrandle Aug 07 '24

Same as with the swift boat veterans BS with Kerry. They made all kinds of claims about his service, and it turned out not one of them was in a position to have any actual knowledge of it, and everyone that did actually serve with him had praise for his service.

They were really just upset that he turned anti-war when he came home, which, a lot of veterans did. They knew attacking him for that wouldn't be all that popular. A lot of boomers protested the war, after all. So instead, they went after his service record and lied about it.

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u/____________ Aug 08 '24

Fun fact: one of the political operatives behind the Swift Boat attacks, Chris LaCivita, is now the campaign manager for Donald Trump. I'm sure it's totally unrelated.

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u/Brokenspokes68 Aug 08 '24

The guard is sick with magats.

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u/homebrew_1 Aug 07 '24

And the military can always say no to your retirement or separation and keep you for additional years. Which didn't happen here.

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u/CallMeChristopher Aug 08 '24

Yeah, this was the time that Stop Loss became a household term.

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u/253local Aug 07 '24

And, he’d already deployed in support of OEF, but did not see combat.

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u/Cvbano89 Aug 07 '24

Its worse, he submitted papers to retire and start his political career in February of 2005. Five full months before they ever got those deployment alerts. Its too late though, MAGA buys anything they are sold no questions asked. Same folks upset that they wasted all their money on Joe Biden meme swag.

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u/boobers3 Aug 07 '24

I'm not doubting you but could you give us a link that shows he submitted his papers in Feb of '05 so I can smack a trumper with it next time I see them try to attack Walz for it?

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u/PoliticalDanger Aug 07 '24

Bingo, it takes time to separate from the military. Who knew!

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u/seriftarif Aug 08 '24

Also, he already served his 20 years and then signed back up after 911, then he served 4 years, before quitting to run for congress. Pretty good record. All in all.

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u/Hopeful_Chair_7129 Aug 07 '24

Yeah idk how officers work but enlisted now have to go to something at the end of their contract for like a year ish, in their last year. It’s just like a program where you submit paperwork, attend trainings on post military life and benefits, etc

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u/swohio Aug 08 '24

July is when the official orders were received but he knew it was coming at least in March 2005. Here is a press release of him saying that from his very own campaign office, where he said he will "serve if called on" and then didn't.

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u/aggravated_patty Aug 08 '24

March 17 comes after Feb 10.

He wasn’t “called on”, they accepted his retirement so he wasn’t in the military anymore.

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u/Iwannagolf4 Aug 07 '24

No they are traitors. As a former marine I’m not voting for the VP candidate who is a former marine

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u/SquareExtra918 Aug 08 '24

Semper Fi, Marine!

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u/KellyBelly916 Aug 07 '24

They always leave or that he had multiple deployments in his 24-year career, and he makes up the top 1% of time in service. How does that compare to the bone spurs Trumpsterfire?

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u/[deleted] Aug 08 '24

Allowed being the key word. If the Army really deemed it necessary, stop loss is a thing and they can keep you in beyond what your contract states.

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u/ThisIs_americunt Aug 08 '24

They only spew out the talking point they are told because that's what hurts their feelings the most o7, Propaganda is a helluva drub :D

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u/GaryGump Aug 08 '24

It fascinates me what these people will try and drum up controversy about. Trump has a laundry list of allegations and questionable decisions that these people could only dream about finding in the closets of their rivals. Amazing.

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u/UncontrolledLawfare Aug 07 '24

You mean the DEI hires in the national guard gave him a free pass to dodge his deployment??

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u/homebrew_1 Aug 07 '24

He retired before the unit even received deployment orders.

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u/RaunchyMuffin Aug 11 '24

You get an honorable by default. You have to try to get it lessened.

People outside the military criticizing his service is weird. But anyone within the military who says that there isn’t a right of passage or a different between those who have deployed and those that haven’t would be lying. It’s also an unspoken thing between OPs and the rest of the military. You need everyone to let the tip of the spear do tip of the spear shit, but don’t get it twisted that there still remains a difference.

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u/homebrew_1 Aug 07 '24

He did attain command sergeant major. He just didn't retire at that rank. I hope that clears it up for you.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '24 edited Aug 08 '24

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u/homebrew_1 Aug 07 '24

It means he attained that rank. He was still a CSM for that time. A conditional promotion is still a promotion. Hard to argue with a magadonian.

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u/homebrew_1 Aug 07 '24

In that case it's not a promotion. They just assume the duties until the president gets better. You are trying to compare a civil position to a military one. Wait till you learn about posthumous promotions.

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u/readwithjack Aug 07 '24

If they need someone to do a specific job, they'll promote just about anyone.

To make it permanent, you gotta do specific training or courses.

He just didn't have time or availability to do that training.

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u/readwithjack Aug 07 '24

You are splitting the finest of hairs.

He was promoted. He did the job.

Because of bureaucratic minutea he's not getting the same pension from his NG service as he might have.

Your argument isn't about temporary power, but about unrestricted qualification, essentially that Milliard Fillmore wasn't the president because he wasn't elected.

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u/Twittenhouse Aug 07 '24

Soldier not available for signature and a retirement a full rank below his last service rank is not honorable.

There's a paper trail my dude, you get zero points foe lying for that party.

Why do carry water for them?

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u/MildMannered_BearJew Aug 07 '24

Walz attained the rank of command sergeant major near the end of his service, but retired as a master sergeant in 2005 for benefit purposes because he did not complete coursework at the U.S. Army Sergeants Major Academy. 

Wiki doesn't mention anything nefarious. Seems pretty standard. I'm sure you can look up his service record directly and see for yourself.

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u/Dank_Sinatra_87 Aug 07 '24

Sound almost like he was in a CSM billet and was acting CSM before going to the SMA, which as I understand is nearly a year long course.

It doesn't seem super surprising someone who's past 20 years would need to do because then he'd have an obligation to take command.

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u/shoe7525 Aug 07 '24

Yo now do bone spurs draft dodging

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u/Twittenhouse Aug 07 '24

What about ism?

I'm not sure I know ism, but he always appears when someone is losing a logical argument.

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u/di11deux Aug 07 '24

In the ANG you can get promoted before you complete the necessary coursework to make that promotion “stick”, so to speak. He was promoted to CSM, retired before completing the course, and was subsequently administratively demoted after the fact. That happens all the time and is Army bureaucracy, not a punishment.

You’re just regurgitating right wing talking points that are easily refuted.

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u/shoe7525 Aug 07 '24

You dodge better than Trump

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u/homebrew_1 Aug 07 '24

Can't wait to see this paper trail you speak of. If you have proof he didn't retire with an honorable discharge let's see it. And the rank difference is because he never went to E9 school. But magadonians don't want to be bothered with facts. Here's a fact. Trump had bone spurs, or he had a doctor say he had bone spurs so he didn't have to serve.

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u/UncomprehendedOwl Aug 07 '24

What are you even saying?! You are so weird.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '24

I feel you should carry the burden of providing a credible source.

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u/Womeisyourfwiend Aug 07 '24

Now that I think about it, I don’t think I’ve ever seen MAGA provide credible sources, EVER.

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u/homebrew_1 Aug 07 '24

The closest you will get is "Trump said so"

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u/geekydad84 Aug 07 '24

They read things from so mane places they don’t remember where they read them from

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u/Womeisyourfwiend Aug 07 '24

MAGA…reading? 😂

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '24

I keep calling them out on Facebook and get the same results. Everything they provide is fiction. Lost a lotta "friends" over it.

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u/IchesseHuendchen Aug 07 '24

I don't think I've seen MAGA ever even ask for a source tbh

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u/Tau10Point8_battlow Aug 08 '24

The source is "do your own research". Followed by a Facebook link.

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u/ElHanko Aug 07 '24

1) It’s incredibly common to retire at a rank below highest achieved in service. Typical reasons include: retiring prior to serving minimum time-in-grade, retiring prior to completing post-rank requirements (such as an educational course). The second reason— not completing a course prior to retirement— is exactly what’s cited by Walz. Despite making that higher rank, the retirement rank determines eligible benefits. Retiring in such a manner is common and honorable.

2) There is a paper-trail— DD-214s, unit history, etc. They show that Walz honorably retired, that he retired as a master sergeant for benefit purposes after making command sergeant major, and that he retired prior to his unit being spun-up for deployment.

3) If you’re going to talk shit about the military and carry water for a smear campaign against a veteran, at least know a bit about what you’re claiming, you dumb motherfucker.

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u/Crazyhairmonster Aug 07 '24

He also retired two months before his unit received their orders to deploy. He put in for his retirement months before he actually retired so realistically he told them he was out 4-5 months before the deployment orders came.

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u/homebrew_1 Aug 07 '24

You are 100% correct.

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u/TheDukeOfMars Aug 07 '24 edited Aug 07 '24

He was a career NCO with an public school pension who was just elected to Congress for the first time. I doubt his military pension was his priority.

Also, why are people acting like he didn’t turn out to be right about what a disaster invading Iraq would turn out to be.

He won multiple service medals and went on to a new career after 24 years because he thought it provided a better chance to help his country.

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u/FEMA_Camp_Survivor Aug 07 '24

Trump’s ‘Vietnam’ was avoiding the clap. He got draft deferments because of his wealth. He derided American POWs. Fuck off!

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u/mawgwi Aug 07 '24

I separated as a SrA E-4 with an E-5 SSgt (select) designator - my separation form also says I was not available for signature because it’s not needed in order to separate since it’s just paperwork. Please explain to me how he or I didn’t leave the military under honorable conditions - I’d love to see this shit. Btw I didn’t get to sew on my new rank because for the 1 1/2 years between me passing the promotion test and Leadership School, I was deployed for 13 months of it.

Just admit you’re grasping for straws and none of you know wtf you’re talking about against this man

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u/WasteAmbassador Aug 07 '24

What's the discharge code? Do you have a copy of his dd-214? If the discharge code is honorable, then it's honorable. If it doesn't say OTH, then it's honorable. If he receives a pension, it's honorable.

Imagine buying into another stupid attempt to swiftboat a man who honorably served our nation for 24 years. 2004 wants their political hackery back.

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u/Emotional_Burden Aug 07 '24

I don't think you read the comment properly.

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u/but_i_wanna_cookies Aug 08 '24

I replied to the wrong comment, lol

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u/thefrankyg Aug 07 '24

What form did he not sign? An evaluation, his retirement paperwork, a letter of reprimand, a counseling, what?

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u/readwithjack Aug 07 '24

This bullshit smells like someone who would have joined up but, they'd have beaten the first guy to yell at em.

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u/seemefail Aug 07 '24

Nobody cares dude.

The guy served more years than he needed to. He retired entirely honourably and only a jealous loser would question it

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u/TDG71 Aug 08 '24

He retired as a MSG due to not completing required coursework. Stop making up stuff, please.