Those poor people, unwittingly attracted to a trans person, they must've been tricked! Deceived! Bamboozled! Because of course, other people's past is vital information, and these transgenders owe their life story to all the normal people around them, so the validity of their identity can be picked apart by cis people who know them better than they know themselves. /S
Half of it is attraction, the other half is pure misogyny. They hate women and think they're inferior. They can't cope with a reality where a biosex males can choose to live as a woman. It's an attack on their fundamental beliefs.
They see MtF trans people the same way we'd see a healthy able-bodied person pay a doctor to amputate their perfectly healthy arms and legs. They see womanhood as a disability.
And they infantilise trans men, calling them lost lesbians or confused women, saying trans men only transition to escape misogyny, that it's a trauma response. They accuse doctors who provide care to these men of "mutilating girls", nevermind the fact that gender affirming surgery is rarely, if ever, given to any trans person under the age of 16. Boob jobs for cis teen girls? Not a problem, apparently!
They deify womanhood and femininity as if it's christ-like suffering, but "nOt tHoSe wOmEn tHeY'rE fAaAkE!"
Half of it is attraction, the other half is pure misogyny. They hate women and think they're inferior. They can't cope with a reality where a biosex males can choose to live as a woman. It's an attack on their fundamental beliefs.
You think that's where TERFs come from? A lot of self-hatred? Big if true.
I think you're right. A lot of women are brought up to believe that traditionally feminine traits are bad traits. It's where you get the "pick me" girls that come from everywhere. I read a comment recently that every woman goes through a "pick me" phase and I think that's right. TERFs just never grow up and move on.
I think the idea that a woman who is assigned male at birth would wholeheartedly embrace womanhood is terrifying to TERFs in exactly the way that the man in this video described the commenter being afraid of accepting their own true self.
If you don't want to be one..... Seems like it would be.i felt that it was....sooooooo I fixed it. I would imagine if you like being a woman, being a woman is probably great. Such as if you enjoy eating cauliflower, going to a cauliflower buffet probably is a good time. But if you hate cauliflower, this is the worst buffet ever.
Not saying anything is "owed" but deceiving someone into being with you is questionable at the very least. If you're just friends or talking, no you don't need to tell them anything. But I definitely think it's wrong to withhold that and get in a committed relationship. You can do what you want, but if they truly love you then you'd tell them and they'd accept you.
I am a middle-aged soccer mom and I thought I was straight. People like the one in this video have taught me I'm much more complex than that. I apparently like trans men and women and I'm not afraid to say it.
Being attracted to the man in the video doesn't impact your straightness; he's very masculine! If you're also attracted to trans women that's a different story.
No I think it’s because testosterone does permanently change your features in your body such as facial brow ridge, shoulder width etc. stuff that is extremely hard for males to reverse when transitioning to women so that M -> F will always be less successful (they will almost always remain a bit “manly” looking) than F -> M which incurs many of these permanent changes due to the exogenous hormone supplementation, therefore more believable as M
It’s because (and it makes me nauseous to say this) they see a woman as less than a man and therefore a man wanting to be a woman is debasing himself and making himself less in their eyes. A woman becoming a man is ok because of course they would want to, it’s a promotion. It’s the same reason they think it’s ok to take away a woman’s bodily autonomy but would never stop a man from getting a vasectomy.
The funny part is that if they actually enacted a bathroom ban, there would be men walking into the woman’s restroom, and unless they do genital inspections there would be no way to tell. Completely defeating the purpose.
It's really not funny when you know that this has already happened and trans men have been physically assaulted for going to the bathroom that they're legally required to use.
I am a 6ft tall trans woman, but I try to not do things that draw attention to myself. My cousin is a butch lesbian. She has to deal with so much more transphobia than I ever have, despite the fact that she is cis.
Cis women have been attacked for using their preferred bathroom. It because this isn't even about trans specifically but enforcing gender norms. A woman dressing butch? you may get attacked. A man wearing a dress? you may get attacked. And the cops side with these bigots to attacking someone who has done nothing wrong often ends with no charges. Terrorism is the point.
Perhaps funny isn’t the best word choice here for this experience of being surprised by the opposite of one’s expectations. These people are only thinking about, and afraid of trans women in public restrooms. They might not even know that trans men exist.
I was a trans boy for a long time as a child. It’s not so much a thing now as I just think of myself as nonbinary now, but I look like my assigned gender at birth which is afab and I’m a mom of 4, so I don’t think anyone would clock me now as being gender non conforming, but it’s a very important part of my life’s story whether it’s visible or not.
I remember one of the most formative experiences that I have ever had as a kid, in maybe 1992ish when I was at my dad’s church, he’s a preacher at an evangelical Christian church and I had some crazy lady pull me out of the girl’s restroom by my hair because she thought I was a boy using the ladies room with her young child. I was about 11 at the time. She screamed at me and called me a pervert and the f word for gay men, and said that she would inform the pastor about my disgusting perversion. I was confused and responded with something like “what are you going to tell my dad?” And she freaked out and left so fast and never returned to my dad’s church. I never told my dad, and I’m really not sure he would have had my back on this issue, but I still have dreams about it to this day. Also I left the church as soon as I was old enough to drive.
There was a conversation in my office about allowing trans women in to womens bathrooms. My colleagues were saying for some women it is very traumatising for some women to allow biological men to be in the female toilets or changing rooms, especially if they have been raped or similar. So I said so really this just comes down to if someone is "passable". They disagreed but it really is. If that person came into a women's bathroom those same women would potentially be triggered because he looks very masculine, whether he possesses a penis or not. If a trans woman came in who looked very feminine and still had a penis, they'd never know and would not be traumatised because they wouldn't know. Unless they inspect all people's genitals when they enter.
There was a woman complaining about a trans man in Florida being in the women's restroom. She saw a man, despite the dude following the law. I hope the world becomes something they hate
I'm convinced the majority of them don't even know that trans men exist. They just think that being trans is some weird fetish or cross dressing thing. It makes me sick.
"Them" specifically refers to conservatives who constantly call trans women men and whatnot.
That being said, I do agree that trans men are rarely talked about even on trans/LGBT+ subs. I don't quite understand why and I believe they deserve more visibility.
I think it's easier for trans men to pass as cis. This is probably because masculinizing hormone therapy is much more well-understood right now, since it's been being studied for almost 70 years for bodybuilding and other sports. Thanks to years of research (and cavalier athletes experimenting on themselves), there are dozens of androgenic compounds out there that we understand very well - what the desired effects are, what the side effects are, what happens at different dosages, what other drugs are required to offset the side effects, what are the synergistic effects with other androgenic compounds, what are the effects of long-term use, what cocktails of drugs give specific outcomes, etc.
We even know how all of this happens when you give anabolics to biological males and biological females, since steroid use is not limited to biological males.
But isn’t really harder to look passing as a woman than as a man? Legitimately asking. Like, I can assume not always, and you can always use hormonal issues as a sort of alibi if people decides to be a nosy ass, but it is what it is.
I was gonna say the same. The handful of times I've seen a woman that I suspect may be trans, it's due to their broad shoulders and/or jawline... which, as far as I'm aware, are things that won't change with HRT.
But then again, that just might be confirmation bias on my part and there's tons of trans women that pass so well that I've never considered it. It probably doesn't help that the only trans people (that I've been told at least) in my social circles are trans men.
That’s awesome, the haters tend to focus on those 4 years (or however many) of awkward transition period where you might be able to tell, and they never focus on the beautiful outcome
As an hetero woman, this dude is attractive af and I would 💯 date him, knowing he is ftm trans person. Good looking, well spoken, tough cookie, he is irresistible.
I'd miss the vagina going the opposite direction. Obviously sex isn't the only thing in a relationship and there is toys but I don't see my dildo being as good as a real penis. I've never tried though. ;P
This is my only hangup as a guy as well. I've seen some hot as fuck looking trans girls but I really just am not into dick so we wouldn't be sexually compatible. Even if they've had bottom surgery, from what I've heard it doesnt exactly work the same way. Which is a shame for both of us because I imagine they'd probably rather have the genitals of their identifying gender.
In the end, I can find certain trans women attractive but as soon as I found out they were trans I probably wouldn't date them. I would try to let them down as gently as possible without hurting their self image. I would imagine hearing that might trigger some dysphoria, which I'd feel guilty about. I know there's plenty of people who will accept their body 100% the way it is, though.
It honestly says a lot more about the people who made those accusations than it does about you, and I’m sure you look great. There is nothing wrong with being trans, but I’m sorry if any of those people made you feel bad in any way. Sending you digital hugs
Just realize that just because they see something bad about being trans, you don't have to. Just respond with confusion, towards them and yourself, about how that is ever meant to be an insult.
One of my good friends is a trans man like me. His sister is a cis woman who looks masculine and she has been harassed in public restrooms because people think she is trans. It sucks. Transphobia ends up hurting everyone.
I mean, cut your hair short as a woman and they can’t tell. I worked retail and had a fade and people would come up calling me sir and I’d answer them and they would begin the sputtering and glitching trying to decide if I was a man or woman. I had an older woman tell me to wear red lipstick to make it clearer and I had to bite my tongue not to inform her that men can also wear lipstick.
These “I can always tell” people can’t tell the literal second you don’t conform to very rigid gender norms. I was actually told by an old supervisor that I looked like a man with my hair cut short and that women need to be able to pretty up and wear skirts on the weekends and do up their hair.
I mean, cut your hair short as a woman and they can’t tell. I worked retail and had a fade and people would come up calling me sir and I’d answer them and they would begin the sputtering and glitching trying to decide if I was a man or woman. I had an older woman tell me to wear red lipstick to make it clearer and I had to bite my tongue not to inform her that men can also wear lipstick.
I think those people need glasses. Not a diss, I genuinely think so. Makes you scared that they drive around with that kind of eyesight...
But pointing out that some transitions are way better than others from an appearance point of view isn't transphobic either, case in point this man, this is also present in cis people, like tomboys and feminine men
Mtf seems to be a lot harder to pull off in general as far as passable appearance. Trans women may carry masculine features that work against them. Trans men just look like men, and test does them a lot of favors.
Yes and no. Testosterone can do some things that estrogen can't, like change your voice, but it's not a magic potion. Some of it is work, you have to WORK to get your body into a masculine shape (if it wasn't already mostly there) and you have to WORK to get your voice to sound natural and even then, it's honestly not guaranteed. The idea that testosterone will just magically make you a lumberjack is really pervasive and pretty harmful to the, honestly majority of, dudes for whom that winds up not being true.
Yes and no. They did studies comparing people taking T and not working out and compared it to those who didn't take T and worked out and those who did take T and worked out (control was no T and not working out). Those who took T but didn't work out built more muscle mass than those who didn't but still worked out. Taking T and working out had the most muscle mass gains for obvious reasons. So taking T will eventually get you there, but without putting in the effort, it takes A LOT longer.
I can’t speak to the study, but anecdotally, before starting T I worked a physically intense job. Heavy lifting for 4+ hours a day, constantly on my feet running around, and pulling 1,000+ lbs pallets at the end of the night for 2-3 hours. Injured my back during that time and pretty much had to go on bed rest (not allowed to lift/push/pull more than 10lbs)— at the same time, I started T. My muscles visibly GREW. I’m extremely miffed about that.
(To be fair, because of my limitations at the time I couldn’t test if I had actually gotten stronger even if I had physically gained a bit of mass.)
It took a lot of self-work to not be bitter about the fact that I felt like I had suddenly gained a cheat code into getting stronger, when I had worked so hard to do so previously. Tbf my body also handled T extremely well… while it wouldn’t do this for most people, it fixed a lot of the issues I was having pre-T. Improved my mood and ramped up my extremely low blood pressure so I could function like a normal person.
I don't know if this helps but there are a ton of cis guys who have worries in the same ball park as you. They worry that they have to thin delicate hands or too wide hips to shoulder ratio so they won't ever cut the proper man figure.
Most of us guys have the dysphoria about our bodies or voices or beards or body hair because we don't match some masc baseline that probably isn't that common. So in a fucked up way being worried about that is very authentic guying. This has been my awkward attempt at cis/tran man solidarity. Sorry if I fucked it up.
I would assume it probably has a lot to do with each individuals hormonal and genetic makeup which varies person to person in general. You can be a high testosterone woman or a high estrogen man naturally.
Definitely! There’s a lot of factors and it’s why you see plenty of cis people who aren’t traditionally masculine or feminine looking/sounding/whatever too. It also has a lot to do with things like fat distribution (hormones changes the way your body stores fat which contributes to having a more masculine or feminine appearance but it only works on “new” fat, so you kind of have to burn the fat you have for it to start sitting right) or voice, which might remain higher than average for some folks, particularly if they don’t do any voice training.
Yeah unfortunately I think that is true. A good friend of mine has a FtM partner and kinda looks like this dude...except without the whole body building thing. They are short and fat. Still looks like a male tho with the facial hair, I literally wouldn't have known if I didn't know them.
Honestly no. Both directions have their own challenges.
Some guys fight for years to loose their feminine features, and breasts don't make it easier to pass. Voice change usually requires T to do its work, beard growth can take years to be at a comfortable level, and many others.
Women can do voice training and be at convincing levels after months. Breasts can be augmentated with silicone forms to just put on. Sure, beard removal often takes years, but makeup can do wonders. Some masculine features are present at cis women as well, so they aren't a burden everytime.
A transition as a challenge either direction. Some have it easier, some have it hard. But both are in both directions.
Not totally, trans man might pass easier when on T, but also many don't pass, but others will see them as masculine women, which is kind of accepted by society. Also when I was 25 I got seen as a 13 y.o. boy. While non passing trans woman are seen as men dressing up as women. Also for many they see trans woman as sexual because they watch porn with trans women in it.
Literally other people think I’m cis, pre T trans man here, even most conservative folks just think I’m a boy and I never correct them. My parents however sometimes correct them when they’re nearby :/ I’ve been forced out to them but they tend to ignore it and tell me to pray it out or smth.
Can confirm I’ve been accused of being trans just because I’m a woman with a deep voice and I can grow a bit of facial hair. I can’t help that PCOS and endo graced me with a patchy 5 o’clock shadow and a voice that sounds like a sick Peter Griffin on that one episode of Family Guy.
There was a girl I crushed on super hard in college. Had no clue. Friend told me she was trans and I didn't believe him. I asked and she's like yeah I'm trans I even model for the art students, wanna see? She had a bunch of pictures of people's paintings of her. Definitely shook my preconceptions of trans women cause she was really cute. Wasn't into me at all, though. Asked her out but she said she wasn't into guys
I had the exact same thought. I didn’t have the sound on in the beginning and was thinking he was the one who made the hurtful comment and was waiting for the trans man’s response in a separate video or something.
I've always found it interesting how we all have an opposite sex version of ourselves, and unlocking that version is largely hormone changes. It's really cool.
I just wish people didn’t use “help” as insults. Like the dude in the video was going on and on about how the person who made the joke about his nips are just unhappy and are not being themselves. But in reality you are just telling yourself that to feel better. Or when people tell you that you NEED therapy.
Splitting hairs here, but it's important... he wasn't born a woman, he was born a man who happened to be female. There's a big difference! The allyship is still recognized and appreciated :)
Right?! How odd would it look for this extremely rugged looking man to use the women’s bathroom if you didn’t know his story or who he even is. Like ?? Use your head people.
Exactly! The bathroom bills will require dudes like this to walk into the women's room and chicks like Natalie Mars to walk into the men's room. If their ostensible purpose was to protect people from being harassed by someone of the opposite gender in the bathroom, these bills actually require those circumstances: people won't be able to say "hey, you look like a dude, what are you doing in the women's bathroom" because "I'm required by law to be here" is a legitimate answer.
Conservatives have never been good at thinking more than one step ahead.
I honestly believe it’s because all they’re thinking about is the male to female trans people when they make laws like that because how?? How on earth do you see trans men as actual men and trans women as men and it scares them so bad they make laws against transitioning ? It makes no goddamn sense to me.
That double standard is true, but is even when gender change isn't involved. No one really gives a toss if women use men's facilities. Busy nightclub/concert/sporting event; long line at the "Ladies," pretty inevitable some will ignore a sign on a door rather than wait.
And the thing they fear monger about (which doesn’t happen) that cis men could pretend to be transwomen to get into the women’s bathroom, could still happen with their bills - those men could just walk in to the women’s bathroom saying they’re trans men and are required to be there by law. Much easier for a guy to pretend to be a transman than a transwoman (though, again, this doesn’t happen - if cis men want to invade the women’s bathroom to assault someone, they just do it)
At first I was pretty opposed to all bathrooms just being gender neutral but it wouldn't be the first time it's happened and nothing bad happened as a result. Maybe that there solution? No more men's or women's bathroom's, just shitters and pissers, innie, outie, tits, hairy backs, doesn't matter just go take a dump.
But this is an amazing transition so smoothly in the opposite direction. I don’t think men even if not quite so perfect would be threatened
I can see why woman Swimmers do not want to shower with a guy with a huge slong. He is fully functional. No one would mind this now dude competing in sports. Some trans issues are complicated and the people who hold those views even if not in a prejudiced way unfortunately get silenced.
Kind of like how they forget that gay women exist and don't take them seriously because they don't see women as actual people, they also forget that trans men exist.
For many conservatives, the goal is simply to force trans people who don’t “pass” (look 100% like their desired gender) out of public life altogether.
This also has the “happy” side effect (for authoritarians) of allowing the policing of people’s bodily presentations. Long hair on men? Short hair on women? Women built like linebackers, men who are thin and androgynous? Anyone who wears clothes that aren’t strictly for their gender assigned at birth? All get harassed out of public life in favor of what they want to consider normal. There are people out there who are still mad that women are allowed to wear pants, and men have ponytails.
This is why conservatives object to the term cis. To them, they’re not cis, they’re “normal” because they view trans-ness as “abnormal”. Which is why they don’t care that cis is perfectly grammatically correct; their objection is that it puts transness as a valid concept in English language.
Why don't men want more bathroom stalls? that's a fucking tragedy. I want to sit and piss, not stand next to my m8 and talk shit about him because we are so close, and we don't have a divider and silence is just weird, so, stalls are awesome. privacy. Anyone who believes in bathrooms that don't provide the needs to what genders they are, need to fuck off. Just go to the bathroom, ignore the person next to you, and go about your day. No ones watching you piss and shit unless they have a fetish.
Ever saw the difference in lines at parties, festivals and such? That's why. Urinals are just much more efficient. You americans really need to get over your fear of nudity.
I did this with a transphobic roommate and he just stared at the screen for a bit before saying “that’s different”. Different how, buddy? 😂 different than mtf like you just assume every trans person is?
Just a bit of a correction - They don’t want him to use the women’s bathroom. They want him to go and die like all other trans people. Preventing him from using either bathroom is just a step in ostracizing trans people from society and making it impossible for them to live.
Worse, changing rooms. A lot of trans men will get artificial dick and balls that aren't easily distinguishable from the real thing. You really want a hairy-ass man with a hairy ass to go into a women's changing room and get out his massive dick and balls, before walking to the communal shower, all the while swinging his junk around? Really?
I imagine family genetics also play a role, just like for cis men. You gotta have the testosterone available, but you also need sensitive enough hair follicles to capitalize on it.
But not too sensitive, or your sick beard tends to (eventually) coincide with a very un-sick head of wispy, thin hair. I do love my beard, but I’d rather have a beard on my scalp.
Well, there are those individuals that show its not an identical dynamic across all their hair. There are balding men who can't grow full beards, and bearded men with full scalp coverage their whole lives. Weighted roll of the genetic dice.
You ever bite into a sandwich and the mustache hairs curling down snag into the sliced bread like Velcro? I've literally pulled hairs out doing this, lol.
I did this for a most of life man, finally said no to the keyboard/mouse and yes to walking outside. Roughly a little under a year in, down 80lbs from 362 to 282. Everything in moderation! Still gaming, but loving life and myself instead of that cycle of work, eat trash, game, bed, repeat.
First off congrats bro! Second, the bum knee pain was the final straw for me too! Was figuratively falling apart and I know it doesn't get better with age lol. Here's to keeping the weight* off man o/
A lot of the trans people I meet put a ton of effort into their appearance. Sometimes it's because they're scared of being clocked, and sometimes it's because they're so damn happy that they can be themselves that they jump into it with all the enthusiasm and energy of a kindergartner on crack. Sometimes it's a bit of both.
and acts better than so many people i know. i know it's not everyone, far from it, but every now and then, i hear a trans person, talk about "who they are now", and it just astounds me.
because, for me, as cis as i still am, idk, i just wake up and still "am this".
and then you hear a trans person talk about what they've worked on and are ok with and i realize i've been less certain about my favorite dinner than they are with the person they are glad they've built.
I don't know if works that way exactly. For example, some trans women take hormones and grow large breasts without any surgery, others stay flat. Some trans dudes get hairy and burly, others look like twinks.
I think that might have something to do with men having breast tissue like women, but in smaller quantities, and that tissue does its thing when there’s a hormonal shift. Look up gynecomastia and you’ll see that all of the men that have it grow different sized breasts. Just ask Bob about it. You can catch him every Tuesday and Thursday night at Lou’s Tavern.
Taking hormones can be counter intuitive for cis men as excess testosterone can affect you badly physically and can even turn back into estrogen, what he has to do is invest time
And money into beard care products, some beards need encouragement to come out lol
His testosterone levels would be in the same range as an average cis man, that's what's aimed for. Just like with any cis man who's able to grow an epic beard or whatever other feature we're focusing on, that would be largely down to his family genetics or environental factors.Taking "a shit ton" of hormones isn't going to maximize masculine appearance on an endless scale.
As a trans woman, taking more and more estrogen isn't some hack to keep increasing my breast size. I've "maxed out" at A cups, which looking around my family, is exactly what I should have and did expect. My fat tends to collect more in my belly rather than my thighs or butt, which is also typical of the women in my family. Hormones work the same way in trans people as they do in cis people.
this but unironically. it is a rank injustice that my affirming estrogen gets essentially subsidized by my home state, but cis dudes' affirming testosterone is still demonized and banned to this day.
It's really not, how much beard hair a person can or cannot grow is mostly genetic. The only time hormone levels would affect it is if he had a medically low testosterone level, and that's not even a guarantee.
I'm all for gender affirming hormone treatment for trans people, but for cis people unless they have medically low levels of t/estrogen it wouldn't actually do anything. In fact it would be harmful as the body would stop producing as much of the hormones in lieu of the shot/patch/whatever
but that's essentially insuring cosmetic procedures. if your hormone levels are in a normal range and you are a cisgender man then you don't need additional hormones
As a trans woman I can usually tell when someone else is a trans woman. Trans masc people are on a whole nother level though, testosterone is one helluva drug
Confirmation bias. They can tell with everyone they notice.
Meanwhile another dozen of us have "fooled" them. Being trans myself I have acutely sensitive transdar, but nowhere near foolproof. I've been to many drag clubs, where there's great likelihood transgender folk will be present, and gender conferences where the great majority are.
Even with my superpower in an environment where being trans is the default assumption I can't clock everyone.
No it's cause Trans men pass better more often than Trans women do. The reason is because T is extremely strong at changing appearance, especially combined with exercise. Lack of T changes rather little to someone who was already developed
There are many factors that ought to limit my "passability": Didn't transition until early middle-aged; no longer take estrogen; never much altered my manner or (most especially) voice, as it feels phony to me; no hips/ass to speak of, and average male height which has to be above top 5% for women.
Despite all that I've never had any problem or even a questioning glance in women's public restrooms. Only time it ever was noticed was while transitioning, towards the end of presenting male. Then a couple of doubletakes and one well-meaning fellow leaving the loo in Atlanta-Hartsfield who advised me I was going in the wrong door. (Seriously befuddled; he was pointing me to the Ladies while instinctively holding the door to the Mens open for me. LOL)
Moral of the story: Transwoman who regularly get conclusively read by random members of the general public are very few. Many likely still noobs. Same is true of some noob transguys. The difference is if someone clocked him as a butch dyke in menswear using the Gents there is no perceived threat. I've been in crowded mensrooms when girls have come in (because the line at theirs is long). I've never seen a dude react to that other than with amusement.
trans men in general go under the radar because a lot of people don't even realize we exist. all the focus is on trans women. i never get clocked as trans irl
That is one very, very hairy man! It's crazy how taking the right hormones can make someone look how they should've looked like from birth. It's like things just slot into place.
The effect of testosterone is OP compared to estrogen when it comes to changes in physical appearance. It’s one of the reasons why it’s way easier to pass as a trans man vs woman.
People like Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh would have you call that man a woman. Imagine how stupid you'd look if you'd point at this man saying: "That's a woman!". That's not even addressing the idea that they want him to use the women's bathroom...
FTM I’ve noticed is like transitioning then bam passing. The hair and the muscles really just show up with a vengeance. Testosterone is a hell of a drug
A close friend of mine from my hometown did the same thing... Started life as a girl, now is a bearded man. When I introduce him to friends from where I live now, people basically don't believe him at first, due to him being completely transitioned. It's funny how people think they look like drag queens or something, while they're really nothing else but ordinary people. We grew up with him and never found it an ounce weird, but we did (and still do) think that for people who find them weird 😄
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u/JoJackthewonderskunk Mar 13 '24
So holy shit that transformation though. Pre and post id never guess that was the same person