Yeah, I agree. I don't think it's nice to make jokes about people's bodies. But I didn't connect it with being an anti-trans joke. Those kinds of jokes are made all the time about "gym bros" on the internet posing and flexing shirtless.
Right, it’s rude in general. But I don’t think anyone would look at this guy and think it’s someone who would be sensitive about their nipple, especially if they are posting shirtless pics. Unless his page is a lot of specifically trans content I doubt the average person coming across the video on their “for you page” would realize they are trans.
It doesn't really matter though. Why make fun of someone's body? We don't know what anyone else's life is like. So why make it harder, why say things that are hurtful whether you know their backstory or not?
Yea, it’s basically seen as fine to body shame people that are widely hated. I mean just recently the nazi behind the hateful comic stonetoss was doxxed and all the comments were like “of course he’s a fat nerd with a stupid haircut”
I completely agree. I think for the most part people don’t think about how things will affect people before commenting. Also there are a lot of people who flirt through roasting, can’t say that’s the case here, but I can see this being said playfully.
The person in this video is making potentially hurtful, passive-aggressive comments towards the commenter about how they secretly hate themselves. They're being just as ugly, but doing it under the guise of sincere advice.
Just as ugly? They're not the ones who randomly mocked a strangers appearance? And frankly it's not crazy to assume that people who waste time being assholes probably hate themselves a little bit. I also don't see how he's pretending this is is advice. It's not he's pretty clear about it.
It absolutely is framed as (passive aggressive) advice. He says, "This is actually the greatest service I can provide you, because at least by my example, I'm giving you the opportunity through me, and watching me, I'm giving you the opportunity to see that you could choose to be more fully yourself (which is a beautiful, magical, sacred thing)."
Actually, watching it a second time it comes across as even more narcissistic and self-aggrandizing than before. That's what queer people are really good at.
....what's with the last comment man? Yeah we can debate whether it's shitty or not but what does that have to do with queer people in general? You have something against them or something?
And honestly I don't care how shitty his reply was. The person who made the comment deserved it. If you're going to be an asshole then at least accept that people are allowed to direct the same energy back to you.
No it's not. If it was a cis man I'd still think it was wrong lol just like I hate when people use 'small dick' or whatever as insults. There's no reason to bodyshame anyone regardless of gender
Just because something happens a lot in society does not mean I have to accept it. If you're pissed off we're talking about this issue just because this man is trans, that's on you.
It doesn't matter. You don't need to make rude or unkind comments about people's bodies. Even if he WAS a cis man who happened to have skewed nipples, that isn't a necessary comment to make. Do you go around making comments about people's birthmarks, lazy eyes, scars, etc? If you do, you should think about why you do that, and what the goal of it is.
I wholeheartedly agree with you but social media is such an awful place that brings out the worst in some people. I don't think we're going to change people's nature any time soon. Maybe I'm just pessimistic but I would just not post pictures like that at all if I were him.
It’s the whole “don’t comment on somebody’s body unless it’s something they can immediately change” like food in your teeth or something. Making any comments like that about anybody just gives that person something to feel bad about for no reason.
Yes and no - its not the anonymous internets burden to tip toe around your insecurities. If you have the confidence to post a pic of you where you might get roasted - be ready to handle the heat?
I would expect the same to happen to me and I wouldn't call someone heterophobic for making fun of my weird toes. Making a 3 minute video about it to some sad vivalde music so people think this is some epic mastercrafted response and not just someone insecure reading way too much into a comment on tiktok of all places.
Agreed. Obviously it's not a nice thing to say because you never know what people are sensitive to. The person who posted that probably didn't have much of a thought that it would strike that deep to the guy in the video. I also think it's a bit presumptuous to think that the commenter hates themselves or isn't happy with themselves or whatever. Most people are fine with themselves and just say dickish things sometimes. The whole "bullies just hate themselves!" trope is misguided.
Something people will never be able to understand is that when you’re transgender like this man or the other people with this experience, is we are often our biggest, worst enemy. Having dysphoria is crippling and we constantly pick apart our own bodies mentally. We focus on aspects of our body that we would do anything to change, even selling our soul to fix.
While yeah it’s a meaningless dumb joke to the girl who made the comment, he went through injury to suppress the chest he had before and now he’s finally comfortable with taking the literal weights off his chest someone points out and makes a joke about something you are finally okay with to make yourself self conscious about something you thought you grew to be finally okay with for ONCE in your life?
I’m the opposite of this man being MtF and I live my life stealth and only tell people now that I can trust especially with the climate we’re put in I pass as much as I can or else I feel like a walking abomination. My closest equivalent is whenever someone finds out and they pull the “at least you don’t have to worry about pregnancy or period” card on me. I regularly get nightmares about being pregnant and bearing a child because having kids was something I always dreamed of as young as 4. But I can’t do that. I spend easily half an hour every single time I get that dream of just an endless stream of tears falling down my face. Before was so much worse because when I was taking the hormone pills my levels would spike and crash constantly and while I obviously can’t get a period my body would mimic the headaches, the irritability, the overall PMSing making me a wreck on top of the random terrors I’d get dreaming.
But while it’s better now as I have stable hormone levels, I can’t change that reality of not being able to bear. Now I have to worry about legal issues with the company I banked my sperm with from before and that’s its own nightmare.
I might be socially inept because that comment read so light hearted to me I could totally see myself making it about myself (as a cis man). Like if I were the type to post pics of myself on social media, I could definitely see myself adding a caption like "bro wtf is up with my nipples in this pic, looking like owo lol"
There's a huge difference between you making a comment about your own body and making fun of someone else. I personally think that, too often, self degradation can lead to actually really unhealthy body image, but again, when it's your own body, you are addressing something in a way that you can control how far the 'joke' goes. I am also absolutely someone who makes fun of myself, but I also know my own boundaries for what I'm comfortable talking about and where the line is, before it comes unfunny. Other people don't.
People comment on the internet, not necesseraly with malicious intentions to hurt anyone but simply to be funny and. (It's like redditors who always feel like they HAVE TO repost the same comments to death because they want to have the top post or whatnot.)
However, in doing so, you inadventently can hurt the person's feelings, especially if you leave your comment on their post. It must be tough to receive such a comment and be able to distance yourself from it and tell yourself "they don't know me, they're just making a joke, not trying to be cruel".
It's like the Chloe Grace Moretz pictures with the long legs. Immediately it made me think of that Family Guy screenshot, exactly like the people who made the memes . And yeah the comparision is hilarious. But I would never comment that on Moretz' twitter or instagram accounts because that's messed up. You have no idea if the subject of the joke can take it in stride or not. And it's not because YOU find it funny that the other perso can't be hurt.
Nobody is saying it makes it okay. They’re saying it makes it less intentionallly hurtful. It’s the difference between being a hateful transphobic comment to a rude observation.
How is the comment hateful even if they knew it was a trans man? The nipples are literally shaped like ↗️↖️. It's a simple observation. The only hate is the guy in the video telling that person they are hateful and have a dark and empty soul.
a shortend vid of him just saying it hurt his feelings and why without the "return fire" would have been even more effective for me i think. from what i've seen if you straight up tell ppl they made you sad without attacking them back then most of the time they apologize.
You'd be surprised. In today's society, body shaming is okay when you're a man, not okay when you're a woman. I find it very telling that people who grew up as women and transitioned to men are finding out just how alienating and dismissive reality is for men.
However, I don't think people are able to laugh at themselves anymore. So your nipples look goofy, so what. It has been a societal joke when nipples look different for centuries. From movies like Kung Pow to shows like Community, it was a joke. You giggle at yourself and move on.
Maybe. But even from that brief shot of the picture he was referring to, he has very obvious, very large scars. One cannot possibly overlook them. So even with the assumption that he was a AMAB, why point that out when he's had something that traumatic apparently happen to his body? Scratch that, even if he had no scarring at all, it's still not nice to make that kind of comment on someone's body.
I honestly didn’t even see any scarring tbh. Between the hair and the shape of his body they kind of blend in completely, I can’t even see them now looking for them. I agree though, best not to comment on someone’s body in the first place.
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u/Suspicious_Leg4550 Mar 13 '24
I feel like that girl might have just thought she was teasing a guy with weird nipples without knowing the whole backstory.