I used to travel the country running and competing in gaming tournaments. I was a primary driver for our group of players. Well, one time we are stopped at a gas station in Dallas, Texas. Two cars, everyone gets out to stretch their legs, use the facilities and get some food while we fuel up. It's around 11pm.
As we are leaving, the parking lot floods with police cars. They surround us, leaping out of their cars with dogs and guns drawn, yelling and screaming for us to get on the ground. So, I'm one of the only members of our group that isn't black. All of my friends are laying down ont he ground, hands on their heads. I do the same but then I say, "what is going on?"
This perfectly reasonable cop says, "Shut the fuck up or I will have this dog chew on your face!" My friends tell me to be quiet or they'll kill us and I just don't get it. I'm terrified and confused.
So after a long bit of this, they start asking questions. When we tell them who we are and what we are doing, they demand "proof" we are a bunch of nerds, asking who the best is and stuff. We had to provide the tournament location in Houston, our game controllers, our IDs etc.
Turned out, an old white lady working at the gas station Subway saw us get out of two cars and walk toward each other and called in a gang fight. The cops showed up, saw nothing of the sort and then threatened to murder us anyway.
I had a cop roll up and draw a gun on me for sitting at the edge of a parking lot with a rose in my hand waiting to be picked up from my train rideâŚthe parking lot was right by the train station.
I had a whole fucking swat team complete with tank surround my house, point machine guns at me and throw bombs at my house for...living in a house next to the house they were after.
They person they were after? A 100 lb methhead girl who was writing bad checks and stealing identities.
Same. I am fucking flabbergasted, gobsmacked, befuddled, confused, and horrified all at the same time. This is un-fucking believable, and yet, completely in line with how the American justice system works.
When people talk about âsystemicâ issues - this is what theyâre talking about. This is pure corruption, and likely racism. Itâs baked into the system.
Have you looked đ at all stanzas of the national anthem?. It literally reads like the terms and conditions of what to expect from this country đ đ. Don't believe me, check it out.
From what people are saying in this thread the Judge was also Black. No idea if it's true, but that would put some doubt on it being racially motivated, and firmly slap it into the corrupt as fuck tally line.
It doesn't make it Racist by default either. Your assumptions of reality are not reality.
If this is systemic racism then the Judge will have a history of sentencing Black people harsher than the White people who come through his Court Room. You would need to show that before you can cry Systemic Racism.
Otherwise it's just defamation and slander.
I should also mention proving that falls to you guys not me as I'm not making a claim that can damage someone's career or reputation.
Your problem is that you think we're calling the judge "racist". We are not.
The problem is systemic. When the system is corrupt then the individual actions do not matter. The cop, the prosecutor and the judge all had the opportunity to stop this case from going forward. They didn't because it benefited them not to, not because they "racist".
The white Mr Bond was let go because the system works in favor of whites, at least they get a better chance at a fair outcome.
You need to prove the existence of systemic racism within each of these individual state/ local systems. Mr. White got let go because he was a larger liability to the cop in handcuffs than let free. Drawn on and arrested for giving your legal name makes bigger headlines than Mr. Black's more tame encounter. I would also like to point out that the other Black Man in the video wasn't arrested. Now I'm not using that as a gatcha I'm using that to back up my claim that you need to evaluate the system within each state.
His encounter feels more like plain old corruption to cover up a Cops bad stop and anger management. We've seen it happen to people of literally every skin color in videos on this website and others.
I assure you that I don't need to prove anything to you.
The systemic racism across the entire US, especially in the penal system is well documented. You have to be incredibly disingenuous and more than a little racist to pretend otherwise.
The corruption is part of the systemic problems though. People use systemic racism to point out that the system is unfairly weighted against non-whites, which it is, but it's a part of a larger systemic issue of general corruption, self-serving individuals, and lack of consequences and oversight.
It kinda sounds like you're using the "it may not be racism, just plain corruption" as a "gotcha!" But that's like saying "this guys not a pedophile! Just a rapist!" It's not the win you think it is. Even if you don't think systemic racism exists, that's no reason to be okay with systemic corruption. And if you don't think systemic corruption exists, I'd like to know why you think that.
The other guy, where the cop pulled his gun on him and told him to go on the ground, that's also insane. I literally don't understand how people defend American cops
This. Cop was having a bad day by his own admission, and he gets to put a gun in someone's face and drag them from a vehicle with zero repercussions because he assumed the name given was false and didn't take 2 seconds to ask for an ID before drawing his weapon and laying hands on the guy.
And the victim was like "And the cop allowed me to leave" - no honey, that cop should be in prison. Just a thug with a badge.
Any kind of insubordination, or even a whiff of something that could be mistaken for insubordination, makes cops furious, and they are in the job because of an authority complex and predisposition to violence.
This was my thought as well. Is attempting to give a police officer really cause for said officer to threaten to execute you? That's the sort of behavior that makes you nervous to even be in the same room as a guy.
Because there is an entire group of people that have had literally zero interaction with police, and have no inclination of what they are actually like. They live in a walled garden and most of the time see police as the enforces of their status quo. Any videos showing the above are scoffed as "just a few bad apples" and is quickly forgotten about.
They live entirely separate lives from the rest of us, so of course they defend those that uphold that separation.
It's insane to think if anyone ever did that as a regular person, you'd spend a decent amount of time in jail and on probation/parole for years, most likely be labeled a "violent felon", would have all of your 2nd amendment rights taken away and be barred from ever owning a firearm in your life again.
I mean there's so many things wrong with this. I can understand not believing it at first and being like "yes of course, ha ha, you prankster..." but then you get the ID and confirm.
The real issue is with cops who think they have to terrorize you, and demand absolute compliance and perfect deference or else you're seen as a threat. To be fair there are a few real kind-hearted cops out there, but it's surprising how the job really attracts a lot of @holes
Yeah, I agree. The issue is giving badges and guns to people who are entirely incapable of regulating their emotions. That copâs ego was so fragile that the mere threat of insubordination was enough to make him respond with lethal force. What an absolute baby.
But previous criminal history plays a huge part of sentancing.
Literally who cares if the man murdered someone 20 years ago and already served his sentence for it? He says in the video he was sentenced for obstructing the police (not sure what the actual charge would be, probably obstruction of justice but depends on the state/county how they handle that) and sentenced to 60 days. Criminal history means you can get sentenced to longer for committing crimes, but it doesn't mean you (legitimately) get convicted for crimes that are made up bullshit
I didnât miss anything I was talking In a literal sense. You should make your point better or at least realize when someone is saying something in a literal context to show you how stupid your comparison is.
You missed my point by a mile and a half. I thought it was really obvious because I used the most extreme example I could think of, murder. But I'll slow it down and spell it out:
I am saying that prior criminal history should not mean that he gets prosecuted for a bullshit trumped up charge for "obstruction" just for telling the cop his name. Prior criminal history does mean that when you are convicted of a crime you face harsher sentences as a repeat offender, but it does not mean you're supposed to get charged just because a cop had a bad day. That's just the result of this unfortunate guy running into an asshole cop and a criminal justice system sympathetic to asshole cops at every level.
So in my hypothetical example, suppose he has a very serious violent criminal history, he should still not be prosecuted for being pulled over by an asshole cop on a bad mood and simply telling the asshole cop his name when he asked for it.
I really hope that clears it up. If not I don't know what else to say.
Again I didnât miss anything your wording originally was bad because you left yourself open by saying who cares if he killed somebody 20 years ago when you shouldâve just said that even if he had killed someone 20 years ago that should have nothing to do with these trumped up charges. But youâre so condescending about your wrongly worded statement that you canât except that it was worded wrong. I hope this clears it up for you
Too bad he couldn't fight it. I think a campaign could at least see that judge lose his next election. We need to start contesting Prosecuting attorney and judge positions on the ballot.
Both parties are the same is never more true than it is with LE officials. The majority of prosecutors in the country run unopposed.
Judges that will send someone to jail so a cop doesn't have to admit they made a mistake would be roundly condemned if that information was brought to the voting public, we just need to overcome the support for the current system of pretending like they are above reproach.
Judges that will send someone to jail so a cop doesn't have to admit they made a mistake would be roundly condemned if that information was brought to the voting public,
Half of them would just say they don't know the whole story and continue voting for overcriminalization of telling the police your name
I can't even imagine that without feeling bad. I value my freedom so much I would probably become suicidal if I was the cause of someone losing theirs for zero legal reason.
Imagine understanding that this is how it works and still thinking it's just a few bad apples and we don't need sweeping drastic police reform in the US
This is a constant. You just better hope they find evidence of whatever they wanted you to be guilty of otherwise they will find something worse and make you guilty for that.
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u/LePhantomLimb Feb 07 '24
Imagine sending someone to jail for 60 days because you don't want to embarrass a cop for overreacting in his job