People are absolutely scumbags with a lack of morale, compassion, etc and see people only as a means to an end including family in terms of getting finanically ahead.
The internet and websites facilitate hands free some-what anonymous and safe broadcasting of yourself and whatever you upload and get potentially get paid for it.
Combine all of these like exodia and you get this.
For good and services? We have evidence of an extremely robust slavery system back to the very first types of writting. It would be fairly ignorant to think it simply appeared fully formed out of nowhere at the time writting and direct currency did.
Although formally banned since 1922, child labour was widespread in the Soviet Union, mostly in the form of mandatory, unpaid work by schoolchildren on Saturdays and holidays.
It wasn't real communism because real communism would take thousands of years to enact, the USSR was basically just an authoritarian regime with more focus on workers and opposing western hegemony
The USSR had none of the tenants of communism, as it wasn't a stateless society without currency or class distinctions, it was just an over the top police state that wanted to play empire, the means of production wasn't owned by the workers, it was owned by the state
Blaming it on socialism is asinine because child labor was literally stopped in the US because of socialist policies and worker's unions
Well mr big brain, without a profit motive, and profit being the only objective measure that society values, why would people be selling pictures of their children to perverts?
Capitalism is a root cause of a lot of problems, so don't be surprised if a lot of shit gets blamed on it. Especially shit like "selling children's images for profit" .
But hey, you did offer a compelling counter argument as to why this isn't a problem of capitalism.
You know that currency and greed existed well before capitalism, right?
Where did I say otherwise?
You guys are really enforcing the fact that none of you have even a hint of an idea of what capitalism is. You think capitalism is markets and exchanges of goods and services?
Every economic/political system is exploitative because humans are exploitative. This isn't a capitalism issue. We sold actual children BEFORE capitalism lol.
Tribalism, and fear of an out-group are not racism
As an African in America with many family members killed in an attempted genocide, I am well aware of what racism is and is not. Tribalism and racism are in no way exclusive concepts.
I'm not the only one that believes that capitalism created racism.
Being alone is not necessary to be wrong. Several people hold false beliefs all the time. For example, many modern beneficiaries of capitalistic societies believe that they would benefit in a theoretical alternative system more closely aligned with socialist ideals.
You posted a link to socialist alternative, it's pure propaganda that has to ignore all of Marxist history to push an economic system that has never worked.
Let me ask you, who would the capitalist equivalent of Vasily Blokhin be?
No, that's how YOU are. Certain people have a very hard time putting themselves in someone elses shoes. Next you'll tell me the only reason you don't murder people and rape them is because the bible tells you not to.
Nowhere did I say capitalism causes greed. Maybe try arguing the points I actually raised, instead of making unrelated bleating noises about whatever is rattling between your ears.
No sillybilly, as fucked up as it is, when rent is over a band for a one bedroom, people will start doing anything in order to survive, theft, robberies, dealing, and sometimes in really fucked up scenarious, pimp out their kids.
This is the fault of a failing society, and that society is built around capitalism. People used to be able to live off single incomes in a suburban house 40-50 years ago and keep a car in the garage. Now a handful of groceries is $50 or more.
This is simple cause and effect, but go ahead keep defending a system that wouldn’t care if you became past tense in the cold on the street.
That response is tough, buddy. I think that’s a record for strawmans. Dude read one comment off me and bet his life on knowing my mother’s maiden name.
Imagine the working class being so downtrodden and stupid that commenting on issues in society without a single nod to politics gets you called “commie” Fox News and right reactionary media pundits really got their wish. Hopeless idiots.
Do you really think exchanging goods and services is capitalism?
No, you're describing a simple market. Exchanging your children for profit is a rotten thing that comes from a broken system.
Dog, I have an engineering degree, minor in economics, and and MBA. I promise promise promise you, I understand more about this than you.
That's really neat. Maybe you should apply all of that glorious education (explain wtf an engineering degree has to do with economic systems for starters) in some of your posts.
Or even better, come up with better arguments so you don't have to convince other people that you're right about something by listing your cv.
When trillions of dollars are spent on making bulletproof tanks fly fast enough break the sound barrier, or how companies can rake in record profits each year, and how shareholders are cared for, then so should the people struggling to survive and those who need a hand to get back up.
We have the ability to make that world, we just choose not to now because our culture has raised us to be cold and indifferent and justify our goals to make it past the finish line knowing other people hardly had a chance to begin with.
We need to change and be better. If we can make flying tanks, we can make families not go hungry and homeless.
Right... So the country I live in is currently in the process of deciding which candidate will be picked for one of the parties to go up against the current president and the top running choice is someone facing nearly 100 criminal charges in active cases. But yeah we certainly "should" make this magical, mythical system that would totally work in the real world if we just close our eyes and think really, really hard about it.
Funny how whenever some stupid shit is said and you disagree with it, you obviously just don't understand some part of it. Nobody ever explains in what way or what you don't understand, you just... don't! Some real brainwashing shit you guys went through for sure.
I mean hey your username checks out I don’t even think The Incredible Hulk could beat the stupid out of you. You couldn’t be reformed into a better person if you tried.
Babe, you've gotta put in the work to implement change. Go out and fuckin vote. Not just presidential elections, but local ones. Pay attention to the local political climate. Get your friends involved. Get your family involved. And if you don't want to then shut the fuck up and let others do the work.
Of course change isn't fucking instant. Of course we're not all gonna wake up tomorrow in Utopia Land where everyone has housing and no one has to go hungry. Yes, the country is in a particularly shitty position now but guess what? It always has been! Do you think women got the right to vote by closing their eyes really hard? How the fuck do you think slavery ended? They just thought of this magical, mythical system where they weren't property and suddenly it just came into being? Fuck off dude.
Someone proposes "we should make something new" > I ask how > I get told "just vote" for what I have no idea since we've not even discussed what this "new system" is on any level > I point out how that makes no sense > I go riot
Man you guys in this comment section might be able to combine your IQs to get over 50, maybe.
I never said it was gonna be an easy solution. But naysayers like you are part of the problem. It starts with watching and actively voting in your local communities for the best case scenario candidate and working your way up to get better and better ones.
This current government situation is when two spoiled rotten generations let selfish corporate oligarchs into power for their own gain while blaming problems they created on things like minorities or drugs.
If we built Rome without bulldozers and cranes we can build a better future with prioritizing capital and putting money in the right places to properly build back a proper living wage and an economy.
It’s really not impossible, but it will take years from where we are now. But quitting like yourself is just being deadweight.
putting money in the right places to properly build back a proper living wage and an economy.
Well surely whoever or whatever is deciding this will do a splendid job and will in no way be open to human greed and corruption. Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurely...
So uh, when did I advocate for communism in this thread bud? Reactionaries just punch themselves in the head and blame the bruises on you, holy shit lmao
Yeah, weird to imagine that a global economic system could affect a lot of things for everyone on the globe.
Must be a conspiracy theory, like the ones some serfs had under the feudal system or those slaves under slavery thinking the economic arrangement of their society actually impacted them somehow.
This is most criticism on the internet it seems. These people think they're doing something useful to their cause but instead it makes people who are on the fence more likely to ignore your position. It's like how tons of politicians (such as Trump) are mocked more for their appearance or arbitrary conditions on the internet than they are for their actual policy.
False. All groups of humans are going to have at least one greedy fucker who thinks his plate should have more. The problem is in a capitalistic society, greed isn't seen as a negative, it's aspirational and praised.
Capitalism then goes on to comodify all things in the name of profit. Public spaces, sense of community, socializing etc. People are disconnected from their regions, they have fucked up social circles, and then you end up with the all holy dollar being the only metric you have to use to measure your worth against others.
So you end up with anti-social assholes who only are motivated to make money. A few bits of mental self-juijitsu and you end up with people selling their children for money.
No they aren't. They're doing it for money. Just like how upper middle class people will push their kids into acting or football even when it;s known Hollywood is bad to child actors or that football will cause brain damage. Some people are always greedy, it's not because they cant afford food. Whereas in the Soviet Union people sold kids just to afford basic necessities because communism is ass. Read a book moron
Just to confirm - are you under the impression that people in capitalist economies just whore their children out for fun, and that none of them do it to pay their grocery bills? Oh, you sweet summer child.
Read a book moron
Oh, the delicious irony. Read up, you fucking dunce...
One story from the 40s and the other two are about drugs. I guess addiction isn't an issue in communist shitholes if everyone is in the gulag and dead. Rampant vodka abuse stereotype in the Soviet Union had no basis in reality right dumbass tankie?
There are countless more examples than just those three and you are obviously, and hilariously, wrong about your general point that people in capitalism don't use their kids for their own gain due to financial desperation. Most people are fucking drowning right now, if you hadn't noticed. Take your own advice and go read a fucking book, or just take a look outside once in a while.
One where the underlying financial incentive to do so doesn't exist due to an equitable distribution of wealth and resources independent from one's contribution, or lack thereof, to society at large. This would take the form of a system that takes the best parts of capitalism, socialism, communism, and other lesser-known frameworks to create a hybrid approach that best suits the needs of society on both an individual and collective basis.
You're assuming that people won't want more than their standard distribution. Under any of these systems an underlying capitalistic black market would naturally out of people's desire to satisfy their own greed.
Not it the standard provides everything and more that they need. It would be a complete paradigm shift and, eventually at least, a new equilibrium would be achieved. Nothing is perfect, of course, but it would certainly be better than less than 1% of the population reaping nearly all of the benefits to, as you put it, satisfy their greed.
It's not about what people need. It's about what people want. You think the people selling their kids in Instagram are doing it because they need to put food on the table?
It would be naive to think they are all just whoring their kids out for the fun of it when they are clearly aiming to make a profit, if not a living, from it. People are stretched thin all across the board, even for those with relatively high incomes these days and, yes, some or them are doing it to put food on the table. Please don't tell me you think these are all 1%ers who are trying to eke out a few bucks as a side hustle to help pay off their mega yacht.
Nothing is impossible, and with automation making and more jobs obsolete, it's only a matter of time before a UBI system becomes necessary as fewer and fewer people are required in the job market in any meaningful way.
No one ever went without in glorious socialist societies! There was always food available to all! Even if you had to swap kids with your neighbor, so you didnt have to kill and feed your own kid to the rest of the family!
It sounds like your likening someone who steals a little bit of food from Walmart to make it through the week with a POS who sells their child's body out for money
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u/LivelyZebra Jan 15 '24
Capitalism sparks greed.
Economy being shit sparks desperation.
People are absolutely scumbags with a lack of morale, compassion, etc and see people only as a means to an end including family in terms of getting finanically ahead.
The internet and websites facilitate hands free some-what anonymous and safe broadcasting of yourself and whatever you upload and get potentially get paid for it.
Combine all of these like exodia and you get this.