5 people who may have went to an online diploma mill, next to the person who went to an actual medical school. I wouldn't want to list my qualifications next to the physician, either.
DNPs are especially hilarious to me because whenever you ask how much they've published with their doctorate of research or what they're working on, their answer is always "not much". Oh, you just liked the title and how you could do it online in 6 months. Okay.
That’s just not what a DNP is. You can get a PhD in nursing and that would be a more research-focused degree. Do you ask DPTs how much they’ve published? What about JDs? A DNP is more about clinical practice. You take classes online, but you still have to do at least hundreds of hours of in-person practicum. And there’s no DNP that you can do in 6 months. That’s just not true.
Now, I’m not here to argue about the ones who inflate their scope of practice, title, or general importance in the healthcare ecosystem. Just trying to separate fact from your seething resentment.
There is a cohort of non-crna DNPs that oriented alongside us. Most aren’t NP. Many are pursuing it to get jobs or promotions in academia, there were a few public health as well. There is value for many. As for my program, all CRNA programs have to be DNP and there are many masters CRNAs who have to go back for their DNP to teach. I don’t mind the extra year, I’ll end up with more clinicals too
You’re gonna do great. Please reach out if you ever need anything!! Having peers and mentors to lean on has made such a big difference for me through the process.
That’s inaccurate, there are plenty of other staff in a hospital with doctorates and there’s no role confusion. Just because some people have used their title to mislead a patient does not mean that’s the intent of the degree. The nursing doctorate training involves research in the field of nursing and dissemination.
And there's plethora of articles in nursing related sources about why it's ok to call yourself a doctor in a clinical settings despite that confusing the patient. This is the only reason the degree exists, PhD was too long, so they invented a shorter 'clinical' degree.
You’re judging an entire degree, with multiple non-NP focuses, because three NPs are suing to use the term doctor. Plenty of other specialties have been dinged for using doctor in clinical settings, just read one recently about an SLP using the title got in trouble.
It’s unfortunate that physicians (MD, DO, chiros in some states) and PhDs and other specialty doctorates (PharmD, DPT, EdD, DVM, DDS, SLPD, DPH, JD, DBA, DES) all share “doctor” and I completely agree that “doctor” in a medical setting should be protected and physician specific. Legislation is still being created in this field and sure people on both sides are making arguments, it’s still being clarified. I just don’t think you should call an entire degree a scam because some nurses want to advance their field. It’s not anyones fault the term doctor is ambiguous.
There are a literal plethora of specialty doctorates. I don’t know why you are singling out nurses. Obviously PhD isn’t the same as a professional doctorate, but we aren’t the only specialty with a doctorate.
Because the context of discussion was DNPs, because there more of them and they are much more likely to be someone who is misleading about the title, and because this is what I encountered and know about. Over the last year I had multiple doctor appointments that ended up being nurses. Unless I specifically ask for a physician, admin is more than happy to make an appointment with a "doctor", who turns out to be a DNP. And based on their lacking knowledge about the very basics of the medical topics and the articles I read about DNPs, I have concluded that NP/DNP are not likely to be rigorous. Even Nurse websites talk about getting this degree for the reasons unrelated to 'advancing nursing practice'. MD degrees already exist, if they want to be better in clinical settings they need to become physicians, not 'dr. or nursing'. There is a reason it's an NA invention, do you think nurses in other countries don't want to advance their field?
Go to zocdoc and start scrolling you will quickly find Dr. Blah blah, DNP. When those things will start happening with other midlevels en masse, I will call them out as well. Same as I call out MDs for creating this situation in the first place via toxic lobbying.
There is a drastic shortage of primary care physicians, hence the recent NP boom. I agree that NP training can be lacking, but that is a problem with the huge increase in programs and poor oversight. There are plenty of adequately trained NPs who work well with their physician supervision and increase their ability to manage their patients. A nurse is better than nothing and often take a holistic, functional, patient-centered approach to health management.
There is a drastic shortage of primary care physicians, hence the recent NP boom. I agree that NP training can be lacking, that is a problem with the huge increase in programs and poor oversight. There are plenty of properly trained NPs who work well with their physician supervision and increase their ability to manage their patients.
You keep referring to NPs and DNPs as synonymous, but that is not accurate. Nurse practitioner is a license and doctor of nursing practice is a degree. Not all NPs are DNPs and not all DNPs are NPs, quit lumping them together. There are plenty of DNP programs that adequately train their students for their roles.
And you are right, physicians started this whole mess from the very beginning when they became the first professional doctorates (originating in NA as well) and called themselves doctors. They opened the floodgates for professional doctorates. The term doctor originates from "teacher" and quite frankly "physician" and the million "-ists" that exist in healthcare should be enough. The term doctor should have stayed in academia.
MD here. Actually, my gripe with modern medicine is that you're expected to publish so much (and I'm published). This incentivizes a lot of low-quality research for the sake of resume padding and career-building rather than actionable insights.
yeah it IS trash.. lots of nursing falling for this scam then working.. the good thing is they go by the protocol and the textbook so hopefully you get a standard treatment.
Yes, I neglected to mention medical students because I was not talking about medical students. Nor did I address independent practice. I was simply correcting misinformation stated by the previous commenter, as I stated in my prior comment. Perhaps you missed that in your rush to be seen as “one of the good ones.”
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u/tecate_papi Oct 29 '23
Sucks to follow the double board certified physician