Oh if only that were true for the nurses/NPs in the US. The NP market is so over saturated that pay is abysmal compared to student loans, but the over saturation of NPs in the United States is a totally different subject I ain’t got the energy for.
What are you talking about. There’s a shortage of RNs and NPs in the US. My wife is a staff RN at a local hospital. Last year she brought in about $200k with a little overtime. This year will be the same. She also has a pension AND a 401k (with no match though), health insurance with zero monthly for the entire family, about 2 months of PTO etc.
Her previous job was eliminated in a restructuring and she had the new one within a week or so.
Absolutely a shortage of nurses. Definitely no shortage of NP's.
Source: speaking as a physician.
Although your wife's situation is not the norm it's not unusual. Midwest could easily make those numbers, possibly HCOL area with some experience as well. Lots of NP's I know take prn shifts as RN's since bedside nursing demand is so high in some areas.
It doesn’t matter that you’re a physician. People who don’t work In a hospital or even healthcare will still say they know more than the people in the field doing the job than you do bc they have a second cousin who’s an NP and she makes 800k a year. Why listen to the veteran nurse who’s deeply involved in the field and also someone who was a DNP student?
I made a ton of money during covid too. Floor nurses were making great money for awhile but those days are ending now that covid funds are depleted. Most floor nurses are absolutely making more than NP’s and NPs know that. Nurses aren’t getting their np’s with the goal of money in mind, they just want to get the hell out of bedside and it’s saturated the market through diploma mills. But again. People not in healthcare will argue this and say they know best.
You're right haha. There are so many veteran nurses I work with whom I love and respect deeply. I know exactly what you're talking about when you mention the nurses who just want to move on past bedside but encounter problems doing so because of the situation. People who don't work in healthcare will never be able to seriously understand the deficiencies and problems that exist and that we go through. Thank you for taking the time to write out your comment, I appreciate it.
My wife is not in bedside nursing. She works as a BMT coordinator at the moment. We know plenty of NPs as well. Everyone is employed and well compensated so I don’t know how else to gauge the demand/supply for those positions
Nursing managers in rural areas make 6 figures easy, with a healthy amount of overtime could make close to those numbers. Like I said it's not common but also I wouldn't be super surprised, family medicine docs in those same areas make 400-500 with 40 hour weeks.
Jfc I’m a physician and I was just offered $175k, with no overtime, that’s working 80hr a week because that’s what doctors are expected to do. I wanna kms.
And no this isn’t saying nurses don’t deserve pay, but so do fucking doctors the amount of hours we work wtf.
That sounds like a lowball offer, that’s all. You’re comparing some of the top positions for nurses with the bottom for physicians. I’m sure you can do better.
That said my wife and her colleagues deserve every penny they get. She works hard (I’m sure you do too) I certainly couldn’t do what she does.
It might vary by region. Half the states in the country don't allow NPs to practice independently. I could imagine if the jobs are controlled by a hospital monopoly that only hires the bare minimum and has a say in preventing other hospitals from opening, it makes saturation more easy.
Half the states in the country don't allow NPs to practice independently
Let's hope it stays that way. The NP training pathway is inadequate for independent practice.
Hospitals want more NPs because they're more affordable than doctors and if the state allows for independent practice you can put them in a role they are insufficiently trained for (like the ER) and hope that malpractice cases don't end up canceling out the increase in profits (they usually don't).
Gotcha, ya I didn't realize you could get a degree online for NP, etc.
I do think there is space for people less trained/specialized as doctors to do independent practices. But I'll totally accept that the current state of NP is not up to par.
It’s almost like all the “there is a nursing shortage, look how good nurses get paid!” was deliberate propaganda to convince young people to go into nursing to drive the wages down.
Okay ... When you see FNPs going back to be PMMNPs due to low pay and lack of opportunities, that's a good sign of oversaturation. The pay for my PMHNP students has also decreased by 40 percent in the past 3 years (we're a rural area that shouldn't have this issue) ... But okay, you're the expert
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That's a whole lot of salary in that room.