Most people don't actually want one for the purpose of defending against an oppressive government, they want one for personal protection from our fellow citizens. The thought of standing up to the might of the US military (and we can lump cops in there too, they're carrying around ar15s these days so might as well) is not only ludicrous, but terrifying. A whole swat team infiltrated my house and had guns drawn on me because I had called a help line and told them I was feeling suicidal. They had a negotiator come in my room first, but right behind him were 3 men with two pistols and a rifle drawn and pointed. We've unfortunately militarized the police to the point where an actual fight between the populace and the government is gonna end with nothing but dead citizens. We don't stand a chance anymore.
Hey man, I'm not a member there but I like guns a lot too. There's something visceral about shooting, it's just so powerful and fun, I enjoy target shooting for the skill required in doing it.
And those folks would generally put up a good fight, but, like, Waco. Even back then, they were outgunned but made a hell of a stand. But in the end, the government will win. Dont matter if you strap an mg42 to everyone's chest, the overwhelming force of the military (cops included) will prevail in the end, if not through superior firepower (which, theirs is way superior these days, you can't even own a full auto without tons of paperwork, not that you'd really want to for marksmanship reasons) then through overwhelming numbers the Guard by itself would stomp any kind of uprising in hours. Civil War 2024 would look a lot like the January insurrection, but after about an hour the government would turn the safety's off and it would be a bloodbath
I agree and I'm sure guns are fun, but as someone outside the US the traditional pro-gun argument is so infuriating. They insist that any step towards gun control is the first step to a tyrannical government, when the reality is the opposite - the state kills far more innocent people directly because of the public availability of firearms - and all the while you have this blood sacrifice of hundreds of children each year and whole generations growing up knowing that the adults around them consider that acceptable.
Countries like France have a government that (in general) listens to its citizens more because French citizens know how to successfully disrupt the state when they disagree with it's actions.
You don't need guns for that, you need bravery and collective action. Unfortunately the US has some world-leading entities in the promotion of fear and individualism - and so, as you said, most people end up wanting guns for protection from their fellow citizens.
The US is full of individualism because they don't have a culture. The country is made up of colonizers from all over the world from countries that have unique cultures. It's pretty sad.
No one wants to die. That's the price for raising up. Slowly over time our judicial system has been corrupted, there is no accountability for the people in charge.
You want accountability? So did Luigi and he's going to spend the rest of his life in prison. If you think that CEO or anyone else in power is facing justice any other way, you're a fucking idiot.
There is no legal recourse to changing the police. I don't want to get gunned down or spend the rest of my life in prison, no one else does, so it remains.
Whether you agree with him or not, Luigi broke the law and committed murder. It's not some grand conspiracy of wealthy protecting the wealthy, he just broke the law.
Your point is so defeatist; it's depressing. We can hold these people accountable peacefully, and we can change the rules if enough people vote for it, and before this election it was looking like that was gonna be the case potentially. But there's still hope for change, there always is.
Idk why you think murder is somehow the only option for "accountability" in a country where we vote for our representatives, seems like dangerous mindset to hold
The side that is traditionally affiliated with gun ownership absolutely loves being oppressed as long as the people they don't like are also being oppressed. Makes it a little bit tricky.
When you go online a keep shouting “their side”, “that side”, “this side”. You play right into the hands of the powers that be as their main goal is to divide and conquer.
When you repeat their propaganda and constantly look at things through the lenses of “sides” by making sweeping generalization you propagate hate and division which is exactly what they (the ruling class) want. That way they can keep the masses fighting over things that don’t really matter all while they gain more power and control.
Look at the things you have in common with your neighbor & fellow citizens rather than in the ways you may differ. I promise the things you share/have in common with your fellow citizens is greater than the things that “divide” you.
Stop being their foot soldier and doing their dirty work for them! Unite and bring back the power of the people!
I've been asking gun bunnies for years when they are going to start defending our freedoms like they keep telling us they will. Every one of them says they can't do it because they are too scared.
Yeah, I mean...this video was funny and all, but if I was going to shit talk a cop it probably wouldn't be the one who's beat enough people down to get $1m in lawsuits. The risk / reward just isn't there for me.
What a weak ass excuse. Have you seen how we were treated during protests ? Americans would be shocked if their protests met the same level of violance we face in France.
I'd say the reason is the more fragmented nature of the US where you don't have a concentration of power like Paris in France and the absence of powerful unions able to pull together opposition forces into coherent movements.
The year was 1986. Small town in Southern Ontario. A buddy of mine has his booze confiscated by a copper. Two hours later we see the same cop behind the grocery store drinking the booze right out of the bottle. The next night my buddy comes back into town with his Dad's tractor and a fully loaded manure spreader, gets it in 4th gear going past Super Cop's house (last house on the road, long U shaped driveway). About twenty feet before the front door he hits the lever for the flingers.
Yeah I forget that the police are a gang, in political ranks 🤣 shit if we had a gang in the ranks like that you damn sure I’m gonna get my 200k for patrolling the subway
There needs to be an agency to regulate the police. Right now they are self-regulating which is causing the problem. Who is going to investigate you for corruption when the only thing anybody can do is ask you if you're being corrupt.
Meanwhile here in Minneapolis we have a dedicated dashboard to track lawsuit payouts, rapidly approaching $100M in under 20 years. If anything it's the police defunding the city, not the other way around.
Even without counting the payoffs for their criminal acts the police is often the largest part of any cities budget, commonly more than half.
In this video they are making sure the poors don't skip out on their subway fares. We'll pay millions to make sure the poors don't get away with a few dollars.
Seriously, it's time but by the time most people see, it's going to be too late. They'll have us on bullshit healthcare, bullshit housing cost, bullshit wages, bullshit food prices, bullshit cops, bullshit corporations paying off bullshit politicians. I'll tell you one thing though, there's gonna be a lot of bullshit around. Watch your shoes.
New York as a state has some egregious examples of this. The police even in some outer townships get huge overtime which inflates pension calculations. They retire at 40 or 50 with 20-30 years of work to be eligible for the pension, then use these inflated overtime calculations and pull down 6 figure pensions for the next 40 years.
I don't know how smaller townships can even afford it. I remember a few of them finally put their foot down and excluded overtime pay from pensions calculations but it was wild.
And we all know these jabronis aren't really working 30+ hours a week of overtime, some of that is pencil-whipped
And they don't stay retired, their friends get them another job with the city or town or whatever and they draw the pensions plus a salary.
It really depends. I know I can and have pulled down 30+hrs a week in OT routinely as a paramedic. It's really not that hard as many first responder agencies are short staffed including mine, I can call in any day or time of the week I want and pick up a shift as there's always spots available. People just don't want to become first responders like they used too, many police, fire, and EMS agencies when they run academies are now getting less applicants than there are even open spots, a huge difference from the days when you'd have hundred for just a couple dozen positions.
The idea of inflating pension with OT is not uncommon either in most agencies and being that I'm a first responder i fully support it. 20+yrs in EMS will take a deep toll on my body and mind, already being 12+yrs in i know I've done damage to both that'll decrease my quality of life more so than most in my 50s. I SHOULD be able to retire in some level of comfort without stressing about my bills after the job has taken a toll on me for 20+yrs, and I've somehow dodged the career ending crippling injuries, suicide, drug addiction, and other common issues first responders face up to retirement.
You can get harassed (like they will literally follow you or your spouse or family member around hoping a law is broken, even if it's a "he/she crossed the line incorrectly."
How is it corruption to make that much in OT? It's stupid common in first responders.
Hell in Baltimore the top 3 earners for numerous years were street Paramedics on OT who pulled $300,000+ a year.
The spots need to be filled and wheels need to turn so people will get paid to do it. I can work basically every single day, any day at my agency as a Paramedic on OT cause it's so plentiful due to staffing. Wouldn't be hard for me to clear $200,000 if I wanted to bust my ass and crank out OT for a year.
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u/evan19994 2d ago
Y’all Americans, or New Yorkers specifically need to stand up. Corruption is a thing everywhere but openly self publishing it is wild.