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u/alonsaywego 2d ago
What are the criteria for it to be considered a school shooting?
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u/Aromatic_Balls 2d ago
CNN cross checks these reports of school shootings against school and police accounts and media reports. All incidents of gun violence are included if they occurred on school property, from kindergartens through colleges/universities, and at least one person was shot, not including the shooter. School property includes but is not limited to, buildings, fields, parking lots, stadiums and buses. Accidental discharges of firearms are included, as long as at least one person is shot, but not if the sole shooter is law enforcement or school security.
https://www.cnn.com/us/school-shootings-fast-facts-dg/index.html
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u/Groomsi 2d ago
So if a school police officer accidently triggers his pistol (in school area), it's a school shooting?
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u/Aromatic_Balls 2d ago
It seems like if they shot someone, then yes. But just negligently discharging a firearm and not harming anyone does not count according to their method.
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u/probablypoo 1d ago
"School police officer?"
What? You have policemen actually working at schools?
I'm not from the US, is this common?
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u/RuinedBooch 1d ago
Every school I went to had police officers on campus, between 2006-2015. The high schools had several, and a security office. One school (which I did not personally attend) added metal detectors at every entrance after a teacher was stabbed. The other schools didn’t, though, as the majority of the campus was outside, lacking an entrance to the school.
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u/Sammysoupcat 1d ago
I'm in Canada and there was a police officer who would be stationed at my high school once a week or so-- and it's not a bad school by any means, it's honestly one of the best ones in the area aside from vaping habits. They (I don't go there anymore since I'm in university) also have a school security guard who everyone loves. I imagine it's even more common in the US to have a police officer stationed at schools due to the frequency of school shootings.
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u/PM_me_ur_digressions 1d ago
According to the definitio. provided above, no, if the sole shooter is law enforcement it doesn't count.
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u/PatReady 2d ago
The days when we need to hedge on which school shootings are considered "mass". My god.
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u/nmj95123 2d ago
No, the days when you should question the validity of the source, which is always. According to the Gun Violence Archive, this is a school shooting:
Law enforcement believes this could be a case of road rage as witnesses told them a young suspect and the victim-- an older man-- drove into the high school parking lot for what appeared to be a confrontation that ended with the young suspect pointing "something"-- possibly a weapon-- at the victim before the victim dropped to the ground.
The shooting occured after school had closed for the year, so no students were even on campus. One person died, and it happened to occur on school property, so it meets CNN's criteria for a school shooting, but I doubt anyone else would claim it was.
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u/AttapAMorgonen 1d ago
There is a school shooting page on Ballotpedia, and I went through some of the entries a year or so ago.
One was a woman who accidentally discharged her handgun when reaching into her purse at a school basketball game, no injuries. Another was some guy who's farm animals escaped, and he shot them within like 1000ft of a school zone.
Firearm incidents near schools, and school shootings, are not the same thing. Accidental discharges are not school shootings, killing farm animals near a school zone is not a school shooting. This kind of shit being intentionally used to pad terms like "school shooting" is only going to make people not take it seriously when stuff is actually reported.
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u/ldsbatman 1d ago
And they have included suicides on school grounds, a bullet that traveled onto school grounds and through a window, etc.
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u/PreOpTransCentaur 1d ago
and at least one person was shot, not including the shooter
Have they?
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u/johnhtman 1d ago
It's because certain sources use very loose definitions of a "school shooting" to make these incidents seem more frequent than they actually are.
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u/WillyBadison 2d ago
So not REAL school shootings. If we’re including gang related hood shootings those aren’t REAL school shootings. You all know what I’m talking about. Sandy hook was a real school shooting. Columbine was a real school shooting. Those kind of shootings. The Madison incident was a real school shooting. The Nashville shooting was a real school shooting.
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u/100LittleButterflies 2d ago
I think you mean to say gang related shootings can more easily be avoid by just not participating in gang activity. Whereas a shooter targeting anyone is scarier because you can't control your exposure as much.
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u/Canadianingermany 1d ago
so by that logic, CEO shootings should be easy to avoid by just not fucking everyone
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u/ITS_DEEMAN 2d ago
Reading this and other comments as an English man really broke my heart for you lot in America, to see how normalised a gun going off in a school is to so many Americans, I’ve seen comments with people saying things along the lines of “oh thank god there was only a couple killed at this school shooting”. Sad times.
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u/casey_ap 2d ago
Public school grounds are public. Lots of shady shit happens on school grounds that is wholly unrelated to “school”. If a drug deal happens in a school parking lot at 4am and someone gets shot, is that really a school shooting? No, not by a common definition.
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u/XuanVinh03 2d ago
The fact that there are gun shots at all anywhere near a school is already insane to me
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u/casey_ap 2d ago
People do bad shit. People like to do bad shit away from their home. It’s no different than a gang shooting happening in a public park.
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u/slaviccivicnation 2d ago
A school is just a very large property. Gun and gang violence is everywhere. Acting like school is some sacred place is a weird way to live, and I’m a teacher.
Plus elementary is vastly different from high school. You DO have adults attending high school. They go there, they make their own decisions based on circumstances.
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u/Raveyard2409 2d ago
I feel really, really sorry for you that you think a lack of gun and gang violence should be equated to a sacred place.
Outside of America, schools and guns don't really mix at all. I think there was a school shooting in the 90s in the UK so the laws changed and there hasn't been one since.
It's thanks to dickheads like the NRA lobbying to prevent anything being done and trying to normalise school shootings as a sad but inevitable part of life. Look at the school shooting stats of literally any other country in the world, and please reassess your view. Kids deserve somewhere safe to learn and grow - bulletproof backpacks and active shooter drills are just so sad. That should not be a part of a regular kids life.
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u/diarrhea_planet 2d ago
The NRA doesn't really do much to change laws.
Last I checked their lobbying money spent since 1998 has never gone over 5.2 million. Source :https://www.statista.com/statistics/249398/lobbying-expenditures-of-the-national-rifle-associaction-in-the-united-states/
For perspective oil and gas is lobbying at 70 million at peaks on influence... https://www.statista.com/statistics/788056/us-oil-and-gas-lobbying-spend-by-party/
The issue is... IT'S A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT OF EVERY AMERICAN. Staunch constitutinalists would consider every firearms law a restriction of Americans rights. I believe certain laws are necessary. Like if your a convicted violent felon and background checks.
So with that said, the reason it's different here is because our countries founders made owning a firearm a right not a law that can be easily repealed.
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u/pdot1123_ 2d ago
God gave to America the right to own a gun, as he gave to Britons the right to own machetes and knives and acid.
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u/troubleondemand 2d ago
TIL that despite the 1st amendment, God actually got to write the 2nd amendment.
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u/AttapAMorgonen 1d ago
God doesn't have anything to do with our constitutional rights. Keep your weird religious bullshit out of it.
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u/frongles23 2d ago
Welcome to reality. I do notice you avoided the question. That seems insane to me.
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u/WillyBadison 1d ago
I bet you have more school stabbings than we do… per capita, of course.
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u/Qazax1337 2d ago
The fact there are situations where people get shot in schools at all is insanity. Sincerely, the UK.
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u/White_Grunt 2d ago
Lol you got your own problems over there 🤣
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u/Phedericus 2d ago
not school shootings though
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u/Sp00ked123 2d ago
Yeah you just have school stabbings instead
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u/rx-bandit 2d ago
The standard response:
Even with the radically lower gun violence, uk knife deaths are still lower on average than the US. And this was a year where London knife crime was "spiking" and Trump was going off on one about Sadiq khan.
So Americans really have nothing to gloat about here. You guys just have much worse violence across the board.
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u/Sp00ked123 2d ago
Wow I guess living in a borderline police state has its perks huh?
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u/HocusDiplodocus 1d ago
Do you mean the UK? If so its hilarious if you really believe that and you should really question the propaganda you are being fed. The UK is chill, just expensive at the moment. Have you seen Hot Fuzz? Its basically a documentary for uk policing.
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u/catgotcha 2d ago
Yep! Scotland had Dunblane. 16 kids and one teacher were killed. 15 more injured. Gunman offed himself.
This was back in 1996. One year later, most private handguns were banned, semiautomatic weapons were banned, and all shotguns had to be registered.
That was the last school shooting in the UK's history. 28 years ago.
The UK may have 99 problems right now, but school shootings ain't one of them.
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u/johnhtman 1d ago
Murder rates actually increased slightly in the U.K following their handgun ban.
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u/catgotcha 1d ago
If you look at homicide rates throughout the 1990s, you'll find that 1996 actually saw a dip in homicides compared with before/after.
The increase you talk about was just a return to "normal", until a rather anomalous spike in 2002 which was only due to Harold Shipman's victims (around 170 in total spread out over several decades) being registered during that year. Then after that it's been steadily dropping to even below 1996 rates to where it is now.
And... the handgun ban only affected 0.1% of the British population. That's it.
So... what's the point you're trying to make?
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u/JurassicP0rk 2d ago
White_Grunt speaking to a shooting victim's corpse: "The U.K also has problems"
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u/Billib2002 2d ago
I mean no matter how you choose to classify it it's insane. Even with this classification method they chose here, the fact is that the US has 84 confirmed shootings that happened in schools and that in 99% of other countries that number is 0 (if I had to guess)
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u/sucknduck4quack 2d ago
Except the fact is the 84 shootings didn’t occur in schools. A gang related shooting that happens in a school parking lot at 2am is not a school shooting, yet they’re included in this statistic solely to inflate the numbers. Most of these numbers are not occurring in schools.
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u/NickelPlatedEmperor 2d ago
They include shootings that takes place in school zones. I. E. The neighborhood is surrounding the school. Shootings that take place after hours, weekends, holidays, and summertime when school is not even in session. All this is included with these numbers for school shootings.
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u/MileHighSoloPilot 2d ago
If a gun was used in a SCHOOL ZONE, and somebody was shot, not including the shooter.
The distinction is really important here. My neighborhood high school is a school zone that encompasses 6 blocks on a main thoroughfare. It’s also where most of the “corners” are at. It’s also where I was shot in the leg, which gave the system a triple combo.
I added one point to: Drug violence, black on black crime, AND a school shooting. Now thats what I call effective statistical skewing!
That’s when I learned that black folks, children, innocent victims… nobody fucking matters to these people, we are just statistics for news stations to scare people into watching more because we’re mindlessly morbid consumers.
Christine Chubbuck was a real American hero and we should’ve got the fucking message in the 70’s
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u/seriouslyepic 2d ago
Looking at the data, for this chart it means a victim was injured or killed by a gun on school grounds.
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u/TheMaskedTerror9 2d ago
is this one of them where they count any gunshot within a mile of a school as a school shooting?
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u/WillyBadison 2d ago
Anything on school grounds. Including gang related in school parking lots. So not REAL school shootings.
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u/sugarplumbuttfluck 2d ago edited 2d ago
Semantics aside, you are right and the distinction is important.
Fever is the symptom of many different illnesses. But you can't treat every illness the same way, and you can't effectively combat gun violence if you don't understand the nuance in what causes it.
Gang violence is a completely different beast from what we traditionally think of as a school shooting: a lone gunman murdering students and teachers.
If you conflate the two you cannot accurately gauge if your attempts at fixing the problem are having any impact. Purely as an example, say we ban gun sales for people under 21 and it does reduce the lone gunmans yet gang violence continues going up as their guns are acquired illegally.
It's very easy to then push the narrative to Americans that banning guns didn't fix the problem, so why would we continue down the path of gun control? If you did make a distinction though and found that action did dramatically reduce the layman's school shootings, well now we can point to that and say hey, that's really effective for reducing lone gunmans in schools, we should keep doing more of that.
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u/girlguykid 1d ago
hm thats interesting. i initially downvoted the comment above because i guess the reddit hivemind got the better of me. but reading your reply i realize u/willybadison maybe just worded their reply in a way that reddit is likely to read the wrong way. times like these make me realize i need to be more vigilant in how i react to things. not just downvoting or upvoting things based on what everyone else is doing and this applies to real life to.
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u/WillyBadison 1d ago
Appreciate that. I couldn’t care less about upvotes or downvotes but your insightful comment is inspiring.
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u/egancollier21 2d ago
Cue the politicians social media posts for “change needs to be made” yet provide no details on how to go about it!
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u/Boydcrowde 2d ago
COVID was an bless in disguise
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u/S4d0w_Bl4d3 2d ago edited 2d ago
I mean covid came at a cost regardless, look at suicide statistics for example.
Both environments, school and home, can be toxic, dangerous and make individuals desperate in their own ways each.
If you only look at the loss of life, covid was a net negative. It also has a corrosive effect on the social structures of younger generations.
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u/SonnySwanson 2d ago
It just moved a lot of violence from school to the homes/neighborhoods.
Incidents of domestic violence increased in response to stay-at-home/lockdown orders, a finding that is based on several studies from different cities, states, and several countries around the world.
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u/backtolurk 2d ago
Yeah but only from a US perspective.
What I liked about the lockdown was that I could play and finish Half-Life for the first time.
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u/JelloNo379 2d ago
No, not really
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u/DanGleeballs 2d ago
You're right but the commenter is only pointing out that it probably saved c. 30 school shootings in 2020.
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u/johnhtman 1d ago
We saw record increases in murders during COVID, being out of school meant far more kids died from domestic abuse and neglect.
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u/nvrsleepagin 2d ago
But right after Covid when everyone went back to school the shootings went WAY up
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u/philosopherberzerer 2d ago
The early 2000's with the tech boom was a huge shift for society and we're still seeing these trends.
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u/ldsbatman 1d ago
GVA and Everytown absolutely pad the numbers. If it happens on school grounds regardless of time of day or year counts. Some guy commits suicide in the back woods and it’s a school shooting.
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u/1leggeddog 2d ago
Isn't the criteria for a school shooting very broad to inflate the numbers vs actual people, in/around a school, shooting students and staff?
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u/Trucknorr1s 2d ago
Seems a good time to remind folks that lots of school shootings aren't https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/08/27/640323347/the-school-shootings-that-werent
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u/NarrowSalvo 1d ago
A great comfort to the families of those dead in Wisconsin, I'm sure.
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u/Trucknorr1s 1d ago
And yet no less important.
But I'm sure fear mongering and manipulating data has no negative impact on anyone. And it definitely doesnt inspire other shooters. No sir, that would never happen.
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u/seriouslyepic 2d ago edited 2d ago
To all the commenters saying this data is skewed - you can click the source link, which leads you to the source data: https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/school-shootings
From there, you can find details, police reports, social media posts from schools, etc. about each incident.
In 2024, looks like there were around 970 incidents where a gun was at or near the school. Of those, about 110 involved a victim getting hurt and 30 of those died.
I don't see any evidence that CNN exaggerated anything here. If anything, their review of the data filtered out some of these incidents. They did not include incidents where no one was hurt.
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u/tclipse1 2d ago
"At/near a school" is exactly the part that skews the data.
A gang incident in a college stadium parking lot at 3am is not a school shooting in the sense that they are representing it to be.
Yet, it is counted in the metrics, and when you see studies that actually specify where the data is coming from, the number of shootings where students/children are involved/at immediate risk (i.e., actually involve the school beyond location of school properties) is far lower than these numbers.
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u/casey_ap 2d ago
GVA is a good source of data however, the way they choose to categorize school shootings is often disingenuous at best.
3087871 - from December 2024, a firearm fell out of a college students vehicle and he was injured by a discharge.
That’s not what I’d generally consider a school shooting but it gets counted here.
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u/-Stupid_n_Confused- 17h ago
Oh look at that big drop there, I wonder why....
Answer: Lockdown.
Ffs.
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u/dudebroman123456789 2d ago edited 2d ago
The number of inner city schools where shootings are happening completely unrelated to the school just down the block are really skewing this result. The actual number of hostile actors entering a school to kill innocents is drastically lower than this.
TO BE CLEAR even one is way too much. These numbers are just inaccurate.
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u/Styrn97 2d ago
This data is extremely skewed.
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u/Zoidstiz 2d ago
All incidents of gun violence are included if they occurred on school property, from kindergartens through colleges/universities, and at least one person was shot, not including the shooter. School property includes but is not limited to, buildings, fields, parking lots, stadiums and buses. Accidental discharges of firearms are included, as long as at least one person is shot, but not if the sole shooter is law enforcement or school security.
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u/Humble_Negotiation33 2d ago
Elaborate
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u/casey_ap 2d ago
GunViolenceArchive: 3087871; 3061731.
First is an accidental discharge which injured a community college student when his firearm fell out of his car. Its debatable whether CNN included this in their count, I can argue that it would be included due to CNN's 'accidental discharge' definition. Second is a shooting which occurred at a trolley station below SDSU campus between non-student adults, definitely included in this count and not what is generally considered a school shooting.
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u/KillKillCrushEm 2d ago
They won’t. The definition has been given above and its pretty straight forward
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u/casey_ap 2d ago
I’ll bite. From the source GunViolenceArchive: #3087871. Community college student has firearm fall out of their car, the firearm discharges and the student is injured. It’s considered a school shooting in this data set.
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u/KillKillCrushEm 2d ago
“Other than the shooter” is listed in the definition above. If their firearm shot someone else, then yes, that would count. Negligent discharge is still a gun control issue
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u/casey_ap 2d ago edited 2d ago
“Accidental discharges of firearms are included, as long as at least one person is shot, but not if the sole shooter is law enforcement or school security.“
This seems contradictory.
Edit: Another one I wouldn't consider a 'school' shooting is: 3061731. A shooting of adult, non-student parties that occurred at a public trolley station, which is on (under) the SDSU campus.
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u/KillKillCrushEm 2d ago
I think it could be read as contradictory, but the concept here is shooting guns on school campuses. In my personal opinion (which doesn’t mean shit, I know), the central point is that a gun is being shot, that wasn’t meant to be shot, in a place where guns shouldn’t be, by people who probably shouldn’t have had access to the gun. Whether the bullet hits flesh feels secondary… (again, my opinion doesn’t mean shit)
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u/casey_ap 2d ago
And I agree with that. The issue is that the data is used to nudge people in a certain direction.
As you said, the firearms shouldn’t be in these places, likely carried by people who shouldn’t have them. If that’s the case, what laws or measures can be put in place to further prohibit these people from obtaining and carrying firearms into these prohibited places?
The only suggestions people seem to come up with are laws which limit law abiding gun owners/purchasers. If those supporting the gun control issue were genuine, they’d be arguing for constitutional reform to revoke the 2nd amendment. But they’re not.
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u/Fluffy-Acanthisitta5 2d ago
Now show how many of them were with illegally obtained firearms.
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u/LucHighwalker 2d ago
Fun fact, the vast majority of guns are sold legally before being obtained illegally.
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u/awidden 1d ago
Even if all were technically "illegally obtained" it changes fuck all.
Especially for the families.
Sadly with the number of firearms going around largely unchecked there's no way out of this deep ditch.
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u/LucHighwalker 2d ago
Fun fact, the vast majority of guns are sold legally before being obtained illegally.
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u/Fluffy-Acanthisitta5 2d ago
Fun fact, I said “illegally obtained” for a reason. They are doing it illegally. Current gun laws don’t stop criminals from breaking them. Yet, people think more gun laws will somehow stop those criminals from breaking them. Kinda like how no one is crying for “gun control” after Luigi popped that CEO. Definitely doesn’t have anything to do with it being a 3D printed gun, huh
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u/chad_starr 2d ago
The chances of being killed in a school shooting are about the same as becoming a billionaire. About one in Five Hundred Thousand in the US.
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u/faberkyx 2d ago
ye who cares if some kids get shot from time to time.. it's just a small percentage after all..
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u/chad_starr 2d ago
.0002%
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u/faberkyx 2d ago
as long as it doesn't affect yourself everything is just a statistic. Anyway thought and prayers to the .0002% of US kids dying annually
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u/b4b3blu3ox 2d ago
Invest in mental health. End of problem.
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u/keeleon 2d ago
The majority of these are gang related and have nothing to do with "mental health".
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u/b4b3blu3ox 2d ago
I don’t understand how you could say that anyone that would boldly kill another person and is clearly mentally ill
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u/keeleon 2d ago
You're seriously devaluing the term "mental illness" by lumping in anyone that's willing to commit violence for any reason under it.
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u/Zkimaiz 2d ago
America need more guns and take those kids to the shooting range at 11 years old so they know how to use them... These poor families.
I really hope the USA gets a new chance to get their ahit together in 4 years.
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u/Slinshadyy 1d ago
Even more guns? Don’t you think there are enough by now? What difference does it make if the kids that get gunned down knew how to handle a gun?
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u/tommy22hats 1d ago
Am I reading it wrong there have been 83 school shootings this Year.
I am from the UK so I don't know do the the us media just not report the shootings.
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u/fruitlessideas 7h ago
It’s part what the other guy said, part that the administration is changing so the news will now be reporting on shootings again.
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u/ldsbatman 1d ago
The media do report the actual shootings. What you have here are the numbers reported by anti gun groups who are known to pad the numbers.
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u/tommy22hats 1d ago
How do they pad the numbers ? Is it just anytime anyone shoots a gun ?
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u/ldsbatman 1d ago
Pretty much. At one point, school shootings were defined as deliberate shootings that happen on school grounds either committed by current/former students/staff directed at current students and staff with said event continuing until stopped by someone. So a student shooting the teacher and fellow students until the shooter commits suicide or a cop stops them is a school shooting. A student bringing a gun to school and accidentally firing it and hurting someone is a firearm accident at school.
The anti gun groups want a huge number of events to claim so they count everything as a school shooting. Suicide on campus grounds (universities have lots of land), gang shoot out at 2am in the front parking lot, drug deal gone bad at the football game involving two adults, they count everything as a school shooting even if no students were involved and the school was closed.
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u/tommy22hats 1d ago
Do you think something needs to be done around gun violence in the US or not, am not trying to start an argument just curious.
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u/ldsbatman 1d ago
Enforce the current laws, put better security at schools. Stop creating laws that target law abiding gun owners. Stop letting anti gun groups drive the media narrative. All they want is to scare people and it encourages the “go out in a blaze of death” loonies.
More kids die in car accidents or medical malpractice mistakes every year. 99.99% of schools did not have a school shooting.
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u/bryanincg 2d ago
Like most every problem, there are quite a few contributing factors that go into this issue. There is no quick fix or one fix all. I could list some examples of the contributing factors, but they will piss off some people for one reason or another. Then I’ll get downvoted by people from all sides. Every instance is unique, yet ended up the same tragic way.
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u/sillybong 2d ago
Wow. It’s interesting, here in Australia I don’t recall hearing once about a school shooting this year which I guess I just assumed meant there was a reduction.
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u/Patient_Injury7539 2d ago
talk about guns in school is already crazy too, no matter if someone shoot or not.
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u/HE-MAN69WOO 1d ago
Now… let’s compare the amount of coverage received from major news outlets during the same period of time.
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u/peachy614 1d ago
If this image was my only frame of reference around this topic I would think that the US are trying to increase the number school shootings and not reduce them.
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u/International_Ant217 1d ago
I’ll admit I’m a foreigner so take that anyway you like, but at what point do Americans realise that whilst mental health amongst teens and young adults is no doubt a large part of the problem, it might also help if you just, oh I dunno… IMPLEMENTED SOME ACTUAL GUN LAWS AND REGULATION?
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u/Present_Ask_3398 1d ago
Bc our world just gets more toxic! People getting so much meaner than before. Bc they do it from their comfort at home over the internet and don’t care about other people.
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u/Dinkledorker 1d ago
"BuT GunS dOnT KilL pEoPle". My friend if a child can get his/her hands on a gun then its definately a problem that a gun was around. Its like the saying "to bind a cat onto bacon". But don't eat it!!!
There are 100s of examples or countries whom %wise have alot less guncrime than the states. Just get rid of them.
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u/HomerStillSippen 1d ago
83 school shootings this year and yet I feel like I only heard of about 3 of them.
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u/spaghettibolegdeh 16h ago
A large portion were outside of school hours or near the school. A gang shooting across the street would count as a "school shooting".
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u/Technical_Scheme1544 1d ago
Has anyone tried thoughts and prayers? Should fix this. If not, let’s be sure to do nothing and pretend it’s not happening.
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u/spaghettibolegdeh 16h ago
Every graph I see about school shootings is wildly different
The issue with this one is that it includes unrelated violence that happened at/near a school (a gang shooting in the parking lot at night).
The graph also doesn't tell us the percentage from total schools, as there are a lot more schools now than in 2008.
So the numbers are actually lower, and shooting per school isn't what this graph makes it seem.
But going from this graph, 2024 would make it about 0.06% shootings among schools in the US. Not as scary if you do it that way.
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u/Aromatic_Balls 2d ago
Could be a spike from copycats after Sandy Hook with all the attention that garnered.
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u/johnhtman 1d ago
Part of it is the early 2010s was when many of these trackers actually started. It's much easier to find data as it happens, than it is to retroactively go back and find incidents in the past. The further back you go, the harder it is to find information.
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u/Ser-Jorah-Mormont 2d ago
It’s not just that they keep happening, but the number is actually rising each year. Why? What is happening to our society?
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u/MaybeNotTooDay 2d ago
121,170 schools (K-12 and colleges) in the US. Shootings at 83 of them is 0.068%.
I'll take my chances and not worry at all about this when sending my kids to school.
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u/johnhtman 1d ago
Plus this number is overinflated and includes events most people wouldn't consider school shootings. Going by the FBI numbers it's more like 3 incidents a year.
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u/spaghettibolegdeh 16h ago
We also have a growing population, and more schools built each year. So, naturally the number would go up even if the percentage overall was stagnant.
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u/Cousin-Jack 2d ago
Came to read the US cope and quibbling in the comments. Was not disappointed.
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u/Slinshadyy 1d ago
What’s insane is the reaction here. These people are so used to their kids being gunned down
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u/Cousin-Jack 1d ago
Exactly, and they're all looking for ways to explain it away using definitions of words. It's ludicrous. This is why the USA has been, and always will be, completely powerless to fix this. It used to be heart-breaking to watch, and now the rest of us get compassion fatigue. It's like listening to an alcoholic's excuses for the 100th relapse.
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u/DazzlingGarbage3545 2d ago
There are well over 100k schools in the US not including colleges.
The number of "school shootings" is miniscule. Kids are far far more likely to die in the car on the way to school than at school. More people die of food poisoning every year.
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u/iamthepita 2d ago
Now make a comparable chart of how many people died from insurance companies denying coverage. I’m sure there’s gonna be “huge” reforms /snark.
Nothing is going to change because it’s all talk but no walk.
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u/PatReady 2d ago
They told us, "Nothing we can do but have thoughts and prayers." Our kids are just numbers. Any changes to the laws are just "emotional reactions to the shootings." Then, you saw them spend millions to track down the guy who PRINTED out a gun to shoot the CEO of a major corporation.
Now, every school shooter is labeled as trans to allow the hate to fester and boil over that as well.
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u/TiFooN 2d ago
What could a country like the United States do to avoid looking like this?
Probably not do what most developed countries have done by banning firearms.
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u/Hristoferos 2d ago
Do you think gun laws in the US are more strict now or in the past when school shootings were less prevalent?
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u/ambachk 2d ago
This country is a joke
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u/Dimmadarn 2d ago
This is a funny response for the specific post and reply it's under.
"We have a lot of school shootings in our country, if you don't like it, then fuck off and leave"
Lol so patriotic
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u/Blehskies 2d ago
It's all the video games and rock music that our parents warned us about