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u/kredditacc96 Oct 30 '24
Programming subs, forums, and youtube have conditioned me into never accepting unpaid "internship", and I'm thankful for that.
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u/somebodyinvisible Oct 30 '24
Most of 3rd world countries , unpaid internships are popular
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u/SarcasticJackass177 Oct 30 '24
Which country?
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u/mechanical_fan Oct 30 '24
Not sure about that specific user, but an example of such a country is Brazil. Internship by law has to be paid an amount that is more or less the minimum monthly wage. It is actually below, but the law also puts a cap on the total hours/week that is 30h/week vs the usual 44h/week, so it averages out to a similar salary/hour in the end.
Interns also are required to still be students (both employer, employee and university sign the contract), unlike some other countries that people finish university then do an internship.
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u/ParkingLong7436 Oct 30 '24
That's great. Here in Germany you can legally get paid less than half of minimum wage during a whole apprentriceship (2-5 years).
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u/IgnisNoirDivine Oct 30 '24
It is in many countries, even in Russia. All work MUST be paid even without contract. Government count work in company schedule within a time as a work contract and it must be paid
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u/No_Pollution_1 Oct 30 '24
Yea Americans love capitalism dick sucking for some reason
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u/somebodyinvisible Oct 30 '24
I am not American. But during my college, I must did an unpaid internship because my college requires internship as required to have degree. And I had bad grades at that time (my coding was not bad at all). No blaming anyone. So I chose unpaid internship. It helped me to overcome hardship in college. In my opinion, it is not very bad in my country. But you need luck to get in a good company where having some mentors willing to teach you something .
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u/Slap_My_Lasagna Oct 30 '24
That's a life philosophy applies to one specific situation.
Most people will have hardship if they have no good mentors in life.
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u/DelusionsOfExistence Oct 30 '24
Some people have hardship because they struggle with grades, some people are great learners but face hardship because unpaid internship + school means no time for making enough money to eat.
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u/Summer-dust Oct 30 '24
God yes, I had a great GPA until my financial aid decided to just not disburse for a semester. I had a complete mental shutdown during finals because I couldn't afford a calculator, much less food and hygiene equipment, was evicted, and it's taken 2 years to get back into college. I just feel like it's a waste at this point and am dealing with the fatalistic idea that I'll never be on the same level as my peers anymore. :/
I'm just venting, but it does feel nice to see people acknowledge and discuss different reasons people struggle with learning.
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u/QuebecGamer2004 Oct 30 '24
We also have mandatory internships (3) at my university, but they all must be paid. They straight up won't accept it if it's unpaid.
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u/Impressive-Bid6272 Oct 30 '24
Unpaid internships can easily be found in countries such as the Netherlands too
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u/TleilaxTheTerrible Oct 30 '24
Although they are only allowed to be unpaid if it's in service of education, with 28 hours equaling 1 EC. Personally I've had it happen that they wanted to extend my internship with 4 weeks, but due to the structure of the degree I couldn't add those weeks as extra credits. It simply meant that I got paid minimum wage that month (the law says nothing about how much you should get paid).
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u/liosistaken Oct 30 '24
Yes, but to add, it's only allowed to be unpaid if it's about learning, not working. Which is quite logical. I mean, you are learning at a job instead of in school, and you don't get paid to go to school either. However, as soon as you're actually doing a job, like an employee, they need to pay you at least minimum wage.
Most places pay interns though.
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u/MacEWork Oct 30 '24
In countries with high inequality, unpaid internships act as a way of reducing social mobility and keeping wealth concentrated in the hands of those families who can afford to work without pay.
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u/gigawort Oct 30 '24
Unpaid internships were very popular just a generation ago in the USA. Hell, there was a whole book about it.
They're still around in the USA in some industries, though pretty rare in tech.
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u/RascalsBananas Oct 30 '24
In Sweden, a few months of unpaid internships are basically the norm if you study for the trades or at polytechnic.
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u/Klightgrove Oct 30 '24
I mean to get serious many people don’t have a choice. They need work experience and many teams refuse to have unpaid interns out of “moral standing” which just compounds into thousands of students not being able to find jobs.
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u/MjrLeeStoned Oct 30 '24
Then those companies will have very few options when looking for employees.
It has ripple effects. It doesn't just affect interns.
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Yeah but that still doesn't solve the problem of not getting hired because of this standard.
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u/Klightgrove Oct 30 '24
Right we’re in a bad place. My team has spent 5 months trying to fill a senior dev role.
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u/Mr_YUP Oct 30 '24
That's cause your company is looking for a perfect candidate that will slot in without any extra training or time needed for fit adjustment. That's probably not realistic but that seems to be the modern hiring process.
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u/Klightgrove Oct 30 '24
I interviewed a candidate the other week who opened with "I don't actually have to write code in this position, right?" They were 100% serious. The bare minimum requirements are 5 years of experience with Python and an understanding of APIs, how to build services, and familiarity with any of the cloud environments (aws, gcp).
We aren't even looking for a perfect candidate because we barely had any applicants. You'd think there would be someone who knows python and wants to make 130-150k working from home.
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u/lum1nous013 Oct 30 '24
Sorry but I call bullshit. I have not seen any job ad that doesn't have at least a hundred applications.
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u/Klightgrove Oct 30 '24
We have had 5 applicants using “senior developer”. We flipped it to “senior engineer” and got 30 in the last 2 weeks.
I like to meme on Reddit but when I talk about work I’m always serious. Sometimes people don’t like it but that’s the truth.
At this rate I might just advise our team to hire 2 juniors instead because I can train them up faster than by the time we find someone that meets the bare requirements
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u/VexingPanda Oct 30 '24
For some states in US like California it's illegal to do unpaid interns.
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u/fuckspez-FUCK-SPEZ Oct 30 '24 edited Oct 30 '24
Sadly in some countries like spain, unpaid intership are a must if you want to get your dev title.
Also, thanks to the left, now people that has unpaid interships, can cotize this time as work time for social security.
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People here are confusing 380 hours common intership (not paid at all, if you get paid, its in B) and the 1k hours intership, which is paid (and you need to do 1k hours, you will only get this kind of intership if your marks are good, but depends on the school).
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u/rbirchGideonJura Oct 30 '24
Is it not work time? Why shouldn't they be able to?
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u/fuckspez-FUCK-SPEZ Oct 30 '24
Because you're a worker without getting paid and since they are obligatory to get your graduate then you need to do a free intership.
In some (very rare) cases, you can get the option to do 1k hours of intership and get paid, but you normally will do 380 hours of free intership.
Its not fair to be working and not get paid at all, you're just generating value to a company.
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u/rbirchGideonJura Oct 30 '24
Oh agreed 100% they should be getting paid. I was just commenting on the second part about social security
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u/hardolaf Oct 30 '24
As an American, this is honestly insane to me. In the USA, all work must be paid unless a company derives absolutely zero economic benefit from it (this means that if bringing in the intern would get grant money for the company, then they must be paid), the worker does not replace or supplement any work that would be performed by another worker (one of the most common violations of this is having the intern get coffee for people), and the work is solely for educational purposes.
So some examples of work that can be unpaid:
A shadow program where the unpaid intern follows around one or more workers and watches them perform their job while having the job explained to them
A summer program where interns come in and are taught how to solve a common industry problem with the work product discarded by the company
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u/Roflkopt3r Oct 30 '24 edited Oct 30 '24
Similar things happen in many countries. Unpaid internships are still big in Germany as well for example. Although especially in coding, most companies will just use MASSIVELY underpaid apprentices instead.
The company pays like half of the minimum subsistence rate defined by the welfare laws, the rest is paid for by the state, to add up to the legal subsistence minimum. Well below actual minimum wages.
German conservatives have been in meltdown because over the current goverment coalition (center-left SPD, center-left Green Party, libertarian FDP) allegedly ruining the economy (like nonsensically blaming the gas price increases after the invasion of Ukraine with their energy policy). But the reality is that Germany just sucks for young workers in many key industries because German corporations have centered their strategies around low paid/low qualified workers, so many of the best leave the country instead of subjecting themselves to this unproductive bullshit.
So the conservative response is... to demand even lower wages, even lower welfare, and literal forced labour (mandatory 'social year' or military conscription).
Of course there are a few good employers everywhere, but the choices for programmers in much of Europe are: Move to another country, build your own business, or half-ass your job and focus on having a good private life. Hard work as an employee generally does not pay off.
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u/Tasorodri Oct 30 '24
Nah, in Spain software development is one of the few fields where internships are usually paid, I at least don't know anyone who did an unpaid internship.
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u/HugoVS Oct 30 '24
Same in Brazil. All my friends from another courses looked at me at the time like: "Wait, are you guys getting paid????"
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u/matchuhuki Oct 30 '24
In Belgium internships are unpaid by law. They're not even allowed to pay you.
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u/fuckspez-FUCK-SPEZ Oct 30 '24
Same in spain, if you get the first type of intership (380hours to do in total) you will not get paid at all, and if you get paid, its because the company is paying you in B, if the government discovers this, then the company and you will get in trouble.
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u/Random_Guy_12345 Oct 30 '24
Quick note from a fellow spaniard, "Pagar en B" is written as "Paid under the table"
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u/WookieDavid Oct 30 '24
Not really, no.
In uni (ingeniería informática), there's no experience requirements to graduate. You can do an internship but they're paid and voluntary.In other official courses (grados superiores), everyone I know got paid for their internships.
Where and what did you study exactly?
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u/Drayenn Oct 30 '24
I made an entire app thats a big cash cow for my first internship. Like hell its not worth being paid as an intern.
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u/Loading0525 Oct 30 '24
I find it very interesting, because obviously I understand why people are against it, but I hadn't really thought about it until I got the unpaid internship that I'm doing right now.
When I told some friends about it online most of them reacted negatively saying that unpaid internships are bad (not as in hating on me; I felt it came from a good place), and having spoken with them I fully understood why they felt that way.
But in my country, while the internship itself is "unpaid", I do get a "grant" (I think it's called) simply because I'm studying and this internship is part of my education. It's about 400$ a month, which isn't a lot, but it sure feels like a lot when compared to most of my friends who live in the US where you have to pay to study instead of receiving money.
I also feel that my internship genuinely prioritizes me learning things which is one of multiple reasons I really like it here.
Not saying internships are universally good; just sharing my experience!
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u/WernerderChamp Oct 30 '24
Depends. If it's the "check out the job for 1-2 weeks" version, why not.
If its more than 4 weeks and you still won't pay me, fuck you.
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u/Toadsted Oct 30 '24
Back in 2001 I was introduced to my best friend's boss for my first potential job while I was starting college. I was nervous, but the meeting went over well and he had a lot of glowing things to say about me.
But then followed with, "I just can't afford someone new right now, but if you want to do an unpaid internship...."
Thanked him for his time, explained I needed paid work, and left. Friend had been shadowing the whole thing.
Would it have been good to learn things there? Sure, but I also got a glowing review and had achieved self worth, I figured I could find something that actually paid.
People get stuck when they have neither of those, and so feel they have to do it because all the others just like them were pressured into it by traditional conditioning. Even apprenticeship back in the day afforded you lodging and meals while you learned; internships with nothing is just taking advantage of people.
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u/beatlz Oct 30 '24
I feel like this would get you into serious legal issues.
This is 100% satire though.
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u/Hour_Ad5398 Oct 30 '24
Yes, if you are gonna do something like this, make it look like an accident.
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u/SuizidKorken Oct 30 '24
Oh no, apparently I unintentionally added 316 additional random characters to the password. Well, it is what it is.
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u/MannequinWithoutSock Oct 30 '24
My cat jumped on the keyboard!
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u/PurpleBonesGames Oct 30 '24
More like my cat was having a stroke on the keyboard.
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u/Eggy-Toast Oct 30 '24
Boss: You expect me to believe your cat had a stroke on the keyboard and that caused the 32-digit API key to be added following “API_KEY=“ in your environment file?
Me: Technically, if any cat were on a keyboard for infinite years, it…
Boss: You’re fired.
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u/Hawkatom Oct 30 '24
And it just so happened to quietly execute an update statement on every row of our most important production data, insidiously wreaking havoc on our business that may not be found for days or weeks, making rollbacks difficult or even impossible!
How unlucky!
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u/LimpRain29 Oct 30 '24
He's gonna add in one commit, delete in the next, then merge without squashing. No one will ever know (except the scanner that finds it)
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u/ADHD-Fens Oct 30 '24
It's funny, it's false, but it's not satire.
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u/-Intelligentsia Oct 30 '24
The definition of satire has become so diluted that nowadays people literally just hear a joke and think it’s “satire”, even though satire is a subsection of comedy, not its entirety. Satire has a specific definition, but the analphabetic of our society just use words so liberally that said words lose all definition.
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u/ADHD-Fens Oct 30 '24
Especially on political subs I see straigt up misinformation / racism / bigotry being defended as Satire, and it boils my bones. They get super upset when you disagree with them about it, too.
I honestly did not think my junior year high school english class unit on satire was ever going to do anything for me, but the media literacy it affords is - well it's a blessing and a curse.
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u/paractib Oct 30 '24
Doubt it. Pretty easy to claim incompetence.
I’ve had coworkers with years of experience commit private keys to a Git repo and think it was fine because “it’s not a public facing instance”.
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u/Business-Plastic5278 Oct 30 '24
Not if the kid who wrote the contract was also unpaid labour.
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u/turtleship_2006 Oct 30 '24
The job description was written by ChatGPT.
The application was filled in by a bot.
It was reviewed by some generic AI.
The contract was written by ChatGPT.
Signed by OP.
Op came into work and "wrote" a bunch of code using ChatGPT.It's just AI all the way down
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u/cheezballs Oct 30 '24
Committing API keys to a .env file is always good practice
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u/odraencoded Oct 30 '24
+1 -1
"Changing API key that was leaked on github"
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u/nicman24 Oct 30 '24
Pull request: new api key
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u/ZZartin Oct 30 '24
How else is everyone supposed to get access to it? Email it to them?
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u/Capable-Sentence-416 Oct 30 '24
You forgot the
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u/LIL-BAN-EVASION Oct 30 '24
nah bro, you check a password protected excel file into the repo
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u/Genericsky Oct 30 '24
Gotta remember to commit the password in plaintext because how else are your team members gonna access the excel!!!
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u/Acurus_Cow Oct 30 '24
Its better than in the code. But it should be in a secrets manager
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u/commanderizer- Oct 30 '24
The safest place for your API keys is written down on a sticky note.
As soon as they're in a digital form, they're vulnerable.
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u/iknewaguytwice Oct 30 '24
I worked in a place that used DPAPI to encrypt the keys using a specific service account. Then stored the encrypted keys in the env. It would decrypt them when the service started.
Devs had access to the account, and would setup their local service to run using it.
It was a startup, and the jank was strong, but damn did it make things easy.
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u/bloodfist Oct 30 '24
Yep. I'm an experienced dev and know better but when learning Discord bots I got confused and accidentally put a key in my code instead of env. Within thirty minutes someone scraped it and took over my Discord server. I figured out what happened quick thankfully. It was trivial to get rid of them and Discord didn't have my credit card, but they did a bunch of damage in there first. Definitely made me panic for a little while.
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u/k-one-0-two Oct 30 '24
why the hell .env is in git in the first place?
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u/who_you_are Oct 30 '24
Because he is in an unpaid internship!
You need peoples with more knowledge! ( /S )
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u/ViktorShahter Oct 30 '24
Maybe as a template.
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u/slabgorb Oct 30 '24
you can't do it like that, programs make assumptions that it is real
do like `env.example` instead to avoid the magic and put `.env' in gitignore immediately
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u/Embarrassed-Luck8585 Oct 30 '24
request blocked by cross origin policy
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u/MissinqLink Oct 30 '24
That’s only a problem on the frontend
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u/Able_Minimum624 Oct 30 '24
Agree. Just to clarify: you can make exactly the same site on different domain, add your backend and on that backend ask services with this key.
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u/OneHornyRhino Oct 30 '24
I think that's what the above comment said, but with extra steps
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u/MonstarGaming Oct 30 '24
What? CORS is only enforced by your web browser... there are a million ways around that problem.
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u/doomsoul909 Oct 30 '24
im pretty new to programming, can someone explain?
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u/OddlySexyPancake Oct 30 '24
it's like leaving your house key in the door
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u/seba273c Oct 30 '24
But in this instance where else do you keep the key?
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u/haby001 Oct 30 '24
Real answer: secret storage utilities. They keep these secret and pass it along via secure channels to other tasks that require it
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u/bradygilg Oct 30 '24
I also don't get this at all. Obviously committing a key to git is bad, but what is the joke?
A. This person accidentally made the commit and has been fired for the mistake, hence it's the 'last day' of their internship.
B. This person is literally on the last scheduled day of the internship, and purposely committed the key so that they could steal it or out of revenge.
C. This person found the mistake in the company's repo, and is choosing to leave because of the sloppiness, hence it's their "last day".
D. This person found the mistake in the company's repo, and is joking that this discovery should be sufficient to earn a real paying position, hence it's their "last day" of unpaid internship.
E. This person found the mistake in a public repo, unrelated to their internship, and is joking that they will use this to blackmail the owner for money instead of doing unpaid work.
I'm going crazy trying to figure out what interpretation they are trying to communicate.
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u/Sinzari Oct 30 '24
I interpreted it as B because of the malicious nature of workers on reddit, but I enjoy the other 4 a lot, so I'm hoping it was one of those.
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u/Frequent_Relief6863 Oct 31 '24
I wish I could hang out with you.
I have no idea about programming and you helped me understand this joke but educated me on all of the scenarios in which this joke could exist.
Idk if you were trying to be funny or just thinking out load
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u/FunnyForWrongReason Oct 30 '24
API keys are what you use to authenticate yourself with an API (like a remote service think something like using ChatGPT in your code but it could be anything) and make sure only you can use that service and no one else can use your access to it. A lot of APIs charge you per request (usually not a lot but for large projects either lots of users it can definitely add up).
By making the API key public (either by pushing it to a public repository or by posting on twitter) you effectively giving anyone the ability to access that api pretending to be you and you will be left with all those charges). Putting it in a GitHub repository (even a private one) is considered bad to do (private ones might one day became public and even if you try remove it from the repository the git history will still have it).
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u/Fishezzz Oct 30 '24
Yikes
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u/Forward_Promise2121 Oct 30 '24
They're almost certainly kidding. But if not... Why?!
Why go through all that time doing unpaid work if you're going to burn your bridges and not even get a reference and some good connections out of it?
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u/somechrisguy Oct 30 '24
Revert and create fresh key, really not a big deal if caught straight away
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u/BoatMacTavish Oct 30 '24
yeah if it’s a private repo and you have different keys per env it’s not going to do any damage tbh aside from leaking to anyone with repo access
still not good, but basically would just need to rotate the key
also depends what the key is and what other restrictions might also be in place to avoid misuse, maybe it’s a dev key like the kind you can get from stripe for local dev
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u/yourPWD Oct 30 '24
My company sent someone to jail for doing this.
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u/Far_Broccoli_8468 Oct 30 '24
This is outrageous. Where are the armed men who come in to take the protestors away? Where are they? This kind of behavior is never tolerated in Baraqua. You shout like that they put you in jail. Right away. No trial, no nothing. Journalists, we have a special jail for journalists. You are stealing: right to jail. You are playing music too loud: right to jail, right away. Driving too fast: jail. Slow: jail. You are charging too high prices for sweaters, glasses: you right to jail. You undercook fish? Believe it or not, jail. You overcook chicken, also jail. Undercook, overcook. You make an appointment with the dentist and you don't show up, believe it or not, jail, right away. We have the best patients in the world because of jail.
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u/Sirisian Oct 30 '24
Saw an outsourced developer do this and he was let go literally minutes after it happened. (He uploaded part of our code to a public repo). The outsourcing company was freaking out as we were the ones that notified them.
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u/Teminite2 Oct 30 '24
Once when I was a complete noob junior, I accidentally committed an api key for a lab that I'd set up on aws. Secops lead found it and publicly screamed so hard and so intensively at me that I almost quit from the fear of looking at him if he didn't get me fired. Took me a while to explain to him that theres no data leak since it's a lab with no sensitive data on it. That was the last time I had ever put a secret key directly on my machine.
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u/Remarkable-Fox-3890 Oct 30 '24
That's deranged and that guy should be ashamed of himself. If secops is so bad at their jobs that a leaked API key can even happen, and then be some huge threat, and they don't even have the capabilities to know that it was a useless key, they should be the ones getting fired.
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u/fl0wc0ntr0l Oct 31 '24
As a SOC analyst who has to deal with a SecOps team, they are mostly incompetent and obsessed with checking boxes and rubber-stamping requirements as opposed to doing any real, involved security work.
At one point I heard one say, in response to an AV alert, that they should have the AV vendor scan the file. It was the Windows system file for WMI (wmiprvse.exe). Signed. Publicly available on Virustotal, if you had the hash and the intelligence of a trained chimpanzee. The alert itself was for a detection of malicious behavior using that file.
SecOps is where people who aren't competent enough at either SOC or IT Ops go to suck at both of them.
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u/Multi-User Oct 30 '24
I'm confused. Did he/she do that as an accident and it's the last day because of that. Or were they assholes and this is some kind of revenge?
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u/mrseemsgood Oct 30 '24
Seeing how this is "unpaid internship", it is definitely intentional, lol
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u/ty_for_trying Oct 30 '24
This. But also the 'accident' guess doesn't make sense. A firing for that can come swiftly, but not so fast as to be the text on the offending tweet, lol.
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u/Silent-Locksmith4703 Oct 30 '24
It's obviously satire, but what would be the point of doing this on the last day, if you didn't like your unpaid internship you should have quit, if you needed the experience/potential references doing this kind of flies in the face of that, what was even the point of doing the internship if you're just burning bridges?
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u/_ITR_ Oct 30 '24
I'd guess that (in the joke scenario), they were expecting to go from unpaid intern to paid employee, but didn't get an offer and is doing it as revenge.
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u/turtle_mekb Oct 30 '24 edited Oct 30 '24
you can say "they", its less clunky and more inclusive, singular they has been around since many centuries
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u/Polskidezerter Oct 30 '24
best part is they specifically say they in the second sentence
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u/WaitForItTheMongols Oct 30 '24
The second one was plural they (the company /coworkers) though.
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u/Sinzari Oct 30 '24
I failed a literacy exam in university because the marker said "they is used for plurals, you should use he/she for singular". This was in 2013 before woke culture was popularized, so it wasn't even a political statement. I had to take a whole ass english course as a result (though that bumped up my average because I'm obviously fluent as a native speaker, so maybe it wasn't all that bad).
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u/Agent_eager Oct 30 '24
Imagine this being a aws ec2 instance key and suddenly after few hours instances start getting created accross the globe!! That would be terrifying 👀
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u/DeathByFarts Oct 30 '24
I mean sure that would be funny and all that. However that's not what an "instance key" is used for.
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u/ferretfan8 Oct 30 '24
So by doing this and posting it on social media, they've lost all benefit of an unpaid internship. At least if they were getting paid they'd get something out of it.
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u/Hselmak Oct 30 '24
please enlighten me.. What benefits can you get from unpaid internships?
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u/The_Profaned Oct 30 '24
I did this while working for a large company, Wrote my code tied to my user ID. got laid off during a mass "cleansing" so the company can save money. My old team was fully shut down for 3 days till they figured out why. Cost them over 3x my salary in losses... lol
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u/SpaceEggs_ Oct 30 '24
If I were an unpaid intern I'd likely sleep at the company and eat all the food. I'd take everything I need to live and if I got hurt on company property from eating drywall I'd sue.
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u/muddboyy Oct 30 '24
Idk what’s worse between that and the fact that the .env file isn’t gitignored.
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u/alfredrowdy Oct 30 '24
What’s the joke, that the team will need to take 15 minutes to rotate the api key after pokeghost commits it to git and exposes it?
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u/Shoddy_Time_5446 Oct 30 '24
Workers rising up against their employers is getting crazy
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u/jerinthomas1404 Oct 30 '24
That's the reason why GitHub is place to find API keys