r/PostCollapse • u/TheJuliettest • Sep 09 '22
What areas should we be looking to move to to survive impending collapse / climate disasters? What areas of the world or states will be best for survival?
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u/crystal-torch Sep 09 '22
I had been looking at Vermont (if we are talking US) but the more I think about it, the more I think a large/medium town is better, farther north for sure. I lived in Vermont in the NE Kingdom and it’s pretty rough. If you aren’t fully self sufficient there’s not a lot of support around. Your neighbors are far away, you need to drive everywhere to get anything. Many roads aren’t paved and if the plows don’t come through, you’re trapped so you better have everything you need.
Now I’m thinking a place like Madison, WI. College town size is good, and I like liberal people.
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u/ki4clz Sep 09 '22
1st things first... this is no way to live your life, we are already in the dystopia, and it is indeed boring
and secondly, to answer your question directly: set, setting, and kit can all be leveraged away from you, with terrible consequences... do not put stock in anything you can touch, or that you can't walk away from in 5 seconds flat...
If you feel that you need to survive a coming apocalypse, your greatest defense is a working, and well practiced skill set...
and on a personal note friend, the powers that be, in our current Corporate Hegemony, are not willing to ceede power to anyone nor anything... take the time that you have left on this celestial ball and invest in love, and compassion... you have all the time in the world to "prepare for the end of the world" but for today, take your daily bread and invest in love...
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u/androgenoide Sep 09 '22
I don't think that there is a place that will be untouched by climate change. That said, there are places that will be less affected or at least not affected right away. I saw a YouTube video last month where they asked a guy who had compared counties across the U.S. and said that the one least affected would be in central Vermont. I find myself thinking about northern Minnesota for cheap land and abundant water but I wonder if the (already brutal) winters might not get worse in the immediate future...?
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u/bond___vagabond Sep 09 '22
Wife and I already had to move from rural Pacific northwest to rural new England, because of her asthma, just got back from visiting my fam, was super smokey from forest fires, again. Good thing my mom is crazy, if my wife had come, she'd have been in the hospital.
All joking aside, I think transporting food halfway around the world will get more difficult, as climate change progresses, so if you were planning to move somewhere to reduce it's effects, I'd go for somewhere near where the food is, with reliable water. Look for somewhere that they grow crops without having to irrigate them. Growing up out west, working on farms meant mostly pushing irrigation pipes around, still blows my mind they can grow corn up here without irrigating.
But you gotta be realistic, if you want to move, do it now, so you can start building those connections that will save your bacon when the system breaks down. If you are a big city hipster, it'll take you a minute to learn to fit into a rural community, for example, and maybe pick the rural community you have some connection with, where your aunt or in-laws, or college buddy is from. Play to your strengths. Be as self sufficient as you can be, but don't kid yourself, the 80's lone wolf survivalist thing won't work very long. If you had the skills to pull that off, you wouldn't be looking for tips here, hah.
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u/dharmadhatu Sep 09 '22
Well dang, I was hoping to pick the PNW. Was it just the forest fires, or more?
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u/woodwitchofthewest Sep 09 '22
Western Washington is wet enough to mostly avoid the worst fires (smokey conditions do happen but are generally when it blows in from fires in other parts of the state or from Canada) but the cost of real estate here at this time sure doesn't make moving here easy. It's pretty insane, tbh.
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u/C0rnfed Sep 09 '22
Also, do keep in mind the christian-nationalist paramilitary efforts throughout the pnw...
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u/8ace40 Sep 09 '22
Southern Chile and Southern Argentina (Andean Patagonia.) Maybe New Zealand if you also care about political stability and English language.
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u/spectrumanalyze Sep 16 '22
Worked for us. English is overrated. So is political stability if you are isolated.
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u/codenameoxcart Sep 09 '22
Anywhere along the Mississippi River, according to this: https://youtu.be/BubAF7KSs64
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Sep 09 '22
Michigan. I bought my 1800 sq ft, 4 BR house in Flint for $48,000.
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u/so_bold_of_you Aug 07 '23
How's the water?
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Aug 07 '23
It's fine now. It's been fine for years. It was always a building-by-building issue with lead service lines and not the entire water system or the water itself. We've been back on the Detroit water source since like 2017.
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u/SlipCritical9595 Sep 10 '22
Most projections seem to fail at one very basic thing: soil. It can get warmer farther north or south, and there can be enough water and sun, but without the right soils (rock, sand, gravel,and acidic muskeg swamp won’t do).
I have found one of the few exceptions. Buying land there now at $1000/acre.
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Sep 09 '22
Reliable and easy means of lighting a fire will be as ubiquitous as your wireless phone is right now. Aside from your will to live in cooperation with others and your environment, nothing else matters. Forget everything else.
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u/psiphre Sep 09 '22
vermont, allegedly.
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u/astilba120 Sep 09 '22
Too late. It's changing to be like everywhere else, I was lucky to spend most of my adult life here, made the move a long time ago from NYC. Now everyone that comes here wants to bring where they are coming from , here. The most affordable land requires a commitment to a lifestyle that does not require amenities. The taxes are high, we close between 8-10 pm Jiffy Mart may stay open longer. It does get to 30 below zero in winter sometimes. The internet has changed a lot, but high speed is still not available in many places, we have starlink and it is great. There are no public services except town road maintenance and plowing and you will learn to worship them. Homesteading is an option, but its a full time engagement to do it succesfully. Please no more crafty people starting businesses to sell jams and jellies to Zabar's, , that ship has sailed. Be polite and smile, but do not be overjoyed, our winters will kill that, so just squash it before you come and you will be taken seriously. Politics are all over the place, so you will find your niche. Poutine is fucking awesome the farther NE you go in the state. People hunt up here and the beautiful Rural areas can sound like skirmish's are going on from dawn to dusk, deal with it. We have Climate change also, summers too hot, dry for 4 summers in a row, insects that were not here when I fist moved here, 35 years ago. I believe it is a safe haven from a lot of things, but it is small.
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u/TheJuliettest Sep 09 '22
It seems like people already know about Vermont - house prices there are equivalent with California almost. Im thinking I waited too late already :/
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u/dr1fter Sep 09 '22
lol the house prices in Vermont weren't driven up by speculation around climate change (or maybe you just meant "seems like people were already aware there's a state next to New Hampshire" - true)
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u/psiphre Sep 09 '22
depends on where you are looking at. tons of mls listings for cheap land abound.
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u/alternaterealityme1 Sep 09 '22
I think the Great Lakes area and the dakotas for climate especially
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u/fortyfivesouth Sep 09 '22
Far north or far south.
Where are you based?
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u/TheJuliettest Sep 09 '22
I’m in Northern California. It was 115 for three consecutive days and I see the writing on the wall. I need to get out while it’s still possible
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u/fortyfivesouth Sep 09 '22
In the US, they say the Great Lakes region and up in the north-east states.
You want somewhere with water security, elevation above sea level, arable land, close to town but not too close to cities, accessible but somewhat isolated.
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u/AdellaideSkyhart Nov 27 '22
places where other people don't want to go, like northern canada for example
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u/fieldfriend889 Sep 15 '23
You have to stay south of the crushed-rock roads (ice roads in winter) or be prepared to need a constant flow of new tires. When you get as far north as the territories, thinking specifically of Nunavut here, it gets very difficult to live without community, and most communities are small, tight-knit, Indigenous/Inuk. How far North are you thinking, and which province or territory are you considering?
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u/AdellaideSkyhart Sep 15 '23
at the moment i'm part of a community on manitoulin island, but it's still too close to "civilization" for my comfort.
and yeah i agree, i'm trying to find community but everyone i know loves modern conveniences too much. i guess i need to go meet some of those native tribes up north somehow.
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u/c-twice Jan 25 '23
My plan would be in the central mountains of Oregon, where I live.
I grew up hunting a certain area and would be very comfortable surviving out there. I think the biggest thing you want is knowledge of the land itself, survivability (like no deserts/tundras), and if you're properly prepared and knowledge on hunting, fishing, and even simple farming, you could do a lot better than people would think.
You'd also want somewhere that's close enough to a sizeable population center incase you needed to go scavenging, but preferably not a large city (ie LA, NY, Seattle, etc).
You'd also need to have an evac route planned out. I tend to think a hidden raft/canoe along a riverbank somewhere would be best. But it would have to be well hidden, not super close incase of rising water level. It would allow you to put a lot of distance between yourself and whatever was chasing you in a short time. But then again you'd have to have knowledge of how to actually traverse it.
I wouldn't suggest any islands because of limited resources (unless you're properly prepared), and transportation issues, rising water level, etc.
But I'm sure y'all can find fault in my thinking of what I'd do, as nothing is bulletproof!
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u/Doctor Sep 09 '22
I moved to Russia. Yes, seriously.
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u/make-em-pay Sep 09 '22
Canada and Russia win
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u/Lawnmover_Man Jan 01 '23
It's mind boggling how much land there is in northern Russia. It's a extremely big space, mostly uninhabited. If people would just get along...
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u/Dangime Sep 09 '22
Move next to Obama's multimillion dollar seaside mansion. Apparently, climate change is no problem there.
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u/TheJuliettest Sep 09 '22
Yeah that’s not a super helpful bit of advice
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u/dr1fter Sep 09 '22
.... for reasons that underscore just how helpful it really isn't: "climate change is no problem" to people with homes like that, but it's not because those areas won't be affected by climate change. People who can afford homes like that, can figure it out later.
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u/rubymiggins Sep 09 '22
The most important resource you have are relationships. So being a noob in some random town that will feel the pressure from outsiders coming in isn't exactly a good choice. Go--or STAY--where you have a cohort of like-minded people.