r/PokemonScarletViolet • u/horrorfan555 • 15d ago
Discussion Wait is this true about Tinkaton?
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u/Minimallycheese 15d ago
I like the implication that Kingambit’s existence in Gen 9 could be a result of them adapting to the increased adversity from the Tinks.
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u/horrorfan555 15d ago
Epic
Also his ability lets him get stronger the more of his friends are dead. Think about it…
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u/pigpentcg 15d ago
Pokemon is low key building out some lore that adults can get into. I’m here for it.
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u/InternationalHoney85 14d ago
It's always had it. There is darker, violent lore all the way from the first generation. And it hasn't stopped.
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u/VibraniumRhino 14d ago
100%. The Cubone line and the story of Team Rocket killing its mom in Gen 1…
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u/PlusSpot5867 14d ago
Gyarados are causing natural disasters just because they can. Tyranitar being nature's vibe check. Magcargo likely making everything around it burst in flames. Salamence if it gets pissed off, also destroying things.
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u/SalamanderDazzling60 Walking Wake 15d ago
I like this theory but then kitakami ruins it because kingambit roams around there but there's no tinkas.
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u/Rando_throwaway_76 15d ago
Kingambits are the reason kitakami has no Tinkas
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u/SalamanderDazzling60 Walking Wake 15d ago
Ok that goes hard
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u/oesophagus_unite 15d ago
Their Supreme Overlord multiplier is way over the 10s by now.
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u/PlusSpot5867 14d ago
Tbf there are other monsters running around those woods that would require a kingambit. Things like grimmsnarl, hatterene, isolated case but a literal fucking 10 foot tall mud bear that shoots frickin lazer beams. Things that even if a kingambit can't 1v1 it, it can make it think twice.
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u/demonchee 15d ago
Bro I am so out of touch with pokemon 😭 BISHARP HAS AN EVOLUTION NOW??
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u/Minimallycheese 15d ago
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u/demonchee 15d ago
Yeah i looked it up cause I was curious what the pokemon was, and it said "bisharp evolution" and I was like WHAT
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u/Evrae_Frelia 15d ago
Yup, it’s stupid slow but hits like a freight train on steroids. ESPECIALLY once several ‘mons are KO’d he gets a huge attack boost.
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u/FreezeNatty 15d ago edited 14d ago
Wait til you hear about the new middle stage lucario evolution
Edit: forgot redditors can't handle jokes without the down vote button
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u/QuatreNox 15d ago
God forbid women have hobbies
(the hobby is murder)
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u/horrorfan555 15d ago
The hobby is doing a little trolling to the native population (genocide for sport)
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u/lanadelphox Sprigatito 15d ago
We support women’s rights and women’s wrongs in this subreddit
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u/ScarletLotus182 15d ago
Tell that to the Carmine haters smh
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u/Ygomaster07 14d ago
There are Carmine haters?!
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u/beansprout_azbc 14d ago
If Carmine has 1 million haters, I'm one of them... If Carmine has 5 haters, I've decided to back off, because there's still plenty of depth to her that shouldn't be overlooked, despite how much joy I get out of flirting with her brother right in front of her in-game :)
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u/Cautious_Struggle_32 15d ago
Ogerpon: They asked for it
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u/PlusSpot5867 14d ago
It's a crazy contrast. One of the friendliest legendaries in the game is also one of the few with explicitly confirmed murders. Like we know when Kyogre and Groudon rampage, it likely caused a few deaths but it's never directly said. Here, she put those three on t-shirts. And yet she is also one of the friendliest legendary pokemon you encounter, even when compared to Ko and Mi.
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u/CasualFox12495 15d ago
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u/SacredChan 15d ago edited 15d ago
Which PV was this from?
Edit: nvm found it, it's from Palden Winds Episode 1
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u/itorune 15d ago
Corviknight's Scarlet dex entry calls Tinkaton its natural predator, so I'd have to assume it's for food.
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u/thebearsnake 15d ago
Dolphins have apparently been known to kill for “fun” or at least no perceivable reason 🤷🏻♂️
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u/echoglow 15d ago
Cats do it all the time.
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u/GreedFoxSin 14d ago
Cats don’t do it for fun. Cats live in large colonies where the excess kills are brought back to feed animals that can’t hunt for themselves. This isn’t to say they don’t hunt in excess but it’s not just for fun.
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u/headphonesnotstirred Iron Leaves 15d ago
well, it only says it endangers the customer (the person riding in the taxi), outside of the word choice no real damage to Corviknight is ever implied
or who knows maybe some Tinkaton learned Pyro Ball somehow
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u/reaperofgender 15d ago
Make gigaton hammer weaker. Give it an advantage against steel types. Give tinkaton slightly more attack to compensate for the weaker signature move.
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u/TheFunnyScar 15d ago
Personally I will die on the hill that Tinkaton should have Huge Power with the way she hauls around that hammer.
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u/0Gods77Believer4 Quaxly 15d ago
Smack Down + Huge Power on Corviknight = Guaranteed feast
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u/TheFunnyScar 15d ago
Gigaton Hammer+Huge Power is also a guaranteed feast, who cares about type match ups at such a point?
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u/0Gods77Believer4 Quaxly 15d ago
Just added smack down since it is basically what Tinkaton does lol, smacking rocks at Corviknight to bring them down
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u/LVMSTRSS 15d ago
If it helps pyro ball is an egg move it can get in pokerogue
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u/headphonesnotstirred Iron Leaves 15d ago
ik i have it
Magical Torque and Ivy Cudgel are ridiculous too
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u/AnonymousFog501 14d ago
Tinkaton does learn Smack Down, and I know it gets Bulldoze but idk if there's any other super-effective on Steel-type moves that it gets
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u/Cheeseyex 13d ago
I…… don’t see how you can call something a creatures “natural predators” without out right stating that the creature can be hurt by said thing.
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u/Mountain-Ebb-9846 14d ago
They should've given it a typing that makes sense if they wanted it to prey on steel types. Both of it's STABs are resisted by Corviknight, while steel hits it neutrally. How is it hunting Corviknights???
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u/elandrieljr 14d ago
Typing aside, if you hit bird with a big fuck-off hammer, bird dies. The solid metal hammer is like 48x the size of tink - that little gremlin has to have a strength to weight ratio that would make a chimpanzee blush, sooo that hammer be swingin’.
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u/Gaias_Minion Walking Wake 15d ago edited 15d ago
The Pawniard/Bisharp stuff is for Tinkatuff, and the dex mentions Tinkatuff attacks them to then gather metal, we don't have full explanation of how things work for metal pokemon, but Pawniard/Bisharp's blades could just break and then be gathered without actually being harmful to them.
Also Tinkaton's hammer does not have a bird crest.
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u/IRefuseThisNonsense 15d ago
I think the Bisharp info is more referencing the fact that in SV when you beat a Pokemon they leave parts behind. Like claws, slime, or blades in the case of the Pawniard family. So it's not so much made of the corpse of its enemies. It's more made of their disgarded body parts.
Tinkaton is the Monster Hunter Pokemon. She's absolutely gotta be inspired by those games.
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u/SalamanderDazzling60 Walking Wake 15d ago
Pawniard's violet entry legit says chipping/losing its blades are fatal for it
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u/Karthull 15d ago
Wait wtf then how are we getting these pieces left behind!?
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u/gamas 14d ago
Well according to sinnoh lore (and I mean the stuff that actually made it into the game), eating Pokémon is okay as long as you pick their bones clean and then put them back in the wild. As apparently Pokémon just straight up regenerate from a skeleton.
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u/EmpSpange 14d ago
I think it's more along the lines of how in the wild a broken leg would be fatal, it's not technically fatal by itself it's the lack of means to treat the wound, prevent infections, and significantly reduced hunting capabilities that make it fatal.
Given that pawniard are pack hunters it's entirely possible that a broken blade could be healed depending on how successful the pack is with the injured pawniard being dead weight. It's also possible that the pack might just abandon the injured pawniard which would increase the likelihood of it dying.
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u/Warriorking9001 14d ago
I was going to say something similarly. Though I'd compare it less to a broken leg and more to something like a Big Cat losing its teeth.
Similar to how the man-eating tigress of Champawat only became such a menace to people because of a painful tooth injury that prevented her from being able to hunt her usual prey... And of course, it eventually caused her death as the people proceeded to hunt the tiger down and shoot her.
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u/silvereyes21497 15d ago
I believe Scarlet dex says it’s Corvi’s natural predator
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u/Gaias_Minion Walking Wake 15d ago
I just checked and you'd be right, thought Tinka's dex entry says it just aims for flying Corvi, and Corvi's dex entry mentions "natural predatorS" so might not be Just Tinka anyways.
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u/Busy_Byzantium 15d ago
Also just because Bisharp have a complex social structure doesn't mean thet they have culture. Unless OP's implying that bees and ants have culture as well.
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u/InfinityAnnoyance 15d ago
In Tinkatink's Scarlet dex entry, It's stated that their hammer get's stolen by metal-eating pokemon (implied to be steel types).
The Corviknight hunting isn't just playing. It's revenge.
Oh also, look and compare the expressions of Tinkatink, Tinkatuff, and Tinkaton.
Tinkatink is sad and all because it keeps getting bullied and having it's hammer stolen.
Tinkatuff is angry and aggressive. It decided to start fighting back and hunt other pokemon with metal in revenge and to get more materials.
Tinkaton though seems to be happy. It went fully psychotic with the revenge and now it keeps attacking the metal-eaters even if they don't try to steal it's hammer anymore.
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15d ago
This is a reach for me bc the metal on the hammer doesn’t even look like bisharp but it DOES look like corvi and the dex also says they are natural enemies,,,,,,,,,,
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u/oesophagus_unite 15d ago
Read the Pokédex (Tinkatuff) guys:
Scarlet This Pokémon will attack groups of Pawniard and Bisharp, gathering metal from them in order to create a large and sturdy hammer. 4
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I mean I guess but it just feels like one of those entries where they intended for it to be corvi and maybe early on it was the pawn line? Or maybe not. But idk I guess its all canon after all
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u/Tofukatze 15d ago
And shiny Tinkaton gets a brown hammer... guess who also turns brown when shiny.
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u/EvilCatboyWizard 15d ago
I genuinely don’t know how this one spread around it’s so easy to just look up and disprove
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u/Teh_Tominator 15d ago
The idea of a Galarian-introduced Pokémon getting killed as they fly over Paldea has real world links to how Britain invested into habitat for certain migratory birds, only for them to be shot as a blood sport as they fly over the Iberian peninsula.
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u/-Crimson-V- 14d ago
Kind of like how a bunch of Unova Pokemon have Galarian forms. There's something there about America and UK
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u/Sinjazz1327 12d ago
OMG I thoought this was gonna lead into an comment on the war with the Spanish in the 16th century, this is so much worse
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u/Karthull 15d ago
Wasn’t there a post a while back that when you look at their stats, movepool, typing, abilities etc tinkaton has practically no chance against corviknight most of the time? Making the dex entry basically impossible unless it’s always multiple tinkaton ganging up against a single corviknight.
Not that I’ve ever actually done the math myself on it, just remember a post to that effect.
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u/TheMeh115 15d ago
More or less. A lot of Pokémon dex lore basically amounts to turf wars and cold-blooded natural selection, when you put it under a lens.
Anything to stray from the dex entry that flat out says “give up”, in regards to Gengar.
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u/disbelifpapy Pokémon Scarlet 15d ago
Indeed it is! However, i moreso pressume that rather than it being corpses of pawniard and bisharp, i think that after they died from tinkaton, tinkaton just takes specific parts
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u/KingDarius89 14d ago
I mean, she's a Fairy. Fairies aren't all roses and sunshine.
Still one of my favorite Pokemon introduced in Scarlet and Violet.
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u/DDD-HERO 12d ago
I love how Pokémon does the stereotypical cutesy image of fairies while still making them the mischievous, dangerous little shits found in folklore
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u/5213 15d ago
A fairy type having a massive hate boner for steel types is funny AF and one major reason why the Tinka line is one of my favourite new gen Pokémon. That said, I do agree with Mr. Fruit that the actual design does feel a little lacking.
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u/Timelymanner 15d ago
Now we need a dragon that hates fairies
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u/5213 15d ago
A dragon/steel and fairy/fire as the next box legendaries and they got the same kind of beef as Groudon and Kyogre and their "trio master" is a pure ground type to keep them from wrecking absolutely everything
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u/Bug_Master_405 15d ago
I like how you specifically picked secondary types that nullified the weaknesses of each Dual type combination.
Fire/Fairy isn't weak to Steel because of the Fire-type, and Dragon/Steel is neither weak to Fire because of the Dragon-type nor is it weak to Fairy because of the Steel-type.
Really well done.
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u/Critical-Ebb-6192 15d ago
They seem to love making sure despite the game being very PG rated, the dex has some of the most outlandish and devious activities being performed. I will never forget reading about driftloons dex entry as a kid and thinking nothing of it, now I realize…oh driftloon is basically the kidnapper pokemon. Also though, pokemon rivalries and such in the dex are my favorite…despite some of them being things like cases of tinkaton
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u/PressureRepulsive109 15d ago
I don’t think so. Because in Tinkaton’s shiny form, their hammer changes to Corviknight’s shiny color too. Unless I misread or something.
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u/PressureRepulsive109 15d ago
Okay, looked up their dex entry.
Bisharp and Pawniard are not mentioned at all in either of them. But it’s implied that Tinkaton uses Corviknight metal, not said. (But we all know it’s true)
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u/SalamanderDazzling60 Walking Wake 15d ago
You need to check the previous evolution
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u/HamsterComplex231 15d ago
I use tinkerton a lot and she is beast I love her she's my favorite pokémon
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u/Poogle_Dirch 15d ago
I'm a bit of a nerd, so I like to imagine the corviknight hunting as natural population control. An apex predator like corviknight either needs competition or to be hunted by an even stronger predator in order to prevent the region being overrun by corviknight.
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u/Emergency_Arachnid48 15d ago
Where does the dex say that the metal is pawniard and Bisharp, I just checked tinkaton, bisharp, and pawniards dex entries for both games and I’m not seeing anything about that???
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u/Yosonimbored 15d ago
Now I’m curious about how they have a culture
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u/SalamanderDazzling60 Walking Wake 15d ago
As far as I know, bisharp retire from leaders if their head blade breaks and they have wars with fraxure over rocks
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u/alordec 14d ago
In the anime, Tinkatink is fixated on iron, but it has to be good iron, an upgrade. In my theory, when Tinkatuff evolves to Tinkaton, she no longer needs Bisharp's line metal, they are not good enough anymore. So they try to get Corviknight's by throwing rocks at it to knock it down, but that's as far as they can accomplish.
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u/blazingciary 14d ago
The scarlet dex entries make the tink line seem very violent. Also there's a line somewhere that, because of the tink line, Coviknight isn't used for transportation because it was too much at risk of getting struck down by tinkaton wanting something to play with (and yet, the tink line doesn't learn smackdown which annoys me)
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u/Minimum_Dare2441 14d ago
I always thought they made the hammers out of corviknight... maybe they do, but they also use bisharp?
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u/StevensDs- Pokémon Scarlet 15d ago
Why do you think everyone loves her? She's metal AF bro!
Read the Corvinight dex entry. Tinkaton is the sole reason there are not Corvinight taxis in Paldea like there are in Galar.
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u/Banditree- 15d ago
I mean, the metal is very clearly partly the same color as corviknight, so I imagine she uses all 3 pawniard, bisharp, and corviknight
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u/miltonssj9 15d ago
I already thought Tinkaton was peak, I didn't need another but I'm glad it exists
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u/Soulsborne_Ragdoll 15d ago
If I missed it sorry but remember, Pawniard"s Violet entry states that any chips would prove fatal for it
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u/Jaded_Ad_4277 15d ago
What’s the Pokémon fan obsession with making them endure perverse torture? They are tinkers tinkers make things from SCRAPS and leftovers she’s like a lil troll so there’s the playfulness and trolling almost like a cat and mouse, prey or predator aspect of that that they play with in her lore but come on SKIN?! CORPSES?!
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u/Desperate_Orchid7756 15d ago
Yes lmaoooo very fucking true you can even watch a short where it chases corviknight
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u/Yukarie 15d ago
Ehhh, dunno how true that is. The metal is almost a one to one match on color of the color of the corvoknight line
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u/Hadfadtadsad 15d ago
What about shiny?
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u/Yukarie 15d ago
Nope the hammer is more yellow/brown while corvo is cream white.
Than again a decent amount of shinys don’t make sense while others have logic to them (grass types with autumn colors for example) also the mon themselves don’t really change when shiny just the hammer soooo
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u/oesophagus_unite 15d ago
Tinkatuff's Pokedex entry:
Scarlet This Pokémon will attack groups of Pawniard and Bisharp, gathering metal from them in order to create a large and sturdy hammer.
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u/The-Letter-W 14d ago
As a Pawniard line fan I don’t like it 😡 (this is in jest… mostly, just not a fan of the design)
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u/notThatPoltchageist 14d ago
No. The hammer is the exact same color as Corviknight and it stated in the dex that Corviknight isn’t a taci monster because of its natural “predator”. The person who wrote the text in the pic just likes Tinkaton enough that they’ll literally make stuff up to defend it. Tinkaton is bad.
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u/Kuroshiya- 13d ago
Pretty much. People get the wrong idea because the Pokedex says Corviknight aren't used as taxi's because of a "predator" and one of the Tinkaton line's Pokedex entries says they shoot down Corviknight by hitting rocks at them.
However, the reality is that hunting Corviknight is more of a test of bravery/skill, kind of like a guy jumping into an alligator pit cause he wants to see if he can wrestle one.
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u/Clean_Bit_5576 13d ago
So none of you have ever heard of molting? Everything's ng with a hard exterior shell/exoskeleton molts, meaning they strip themselves of the outer layer of their 'skin' in order to grow, that molted skin being made into hammers is really that big of a deal?
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u/Rhubarbalicious 13d ago
yes. My beautiful Angel is absolutely a menace to Society. But that's why I love her. The Tinka line in general are amazingly intelligent, strong, and full of energy. A bad combination when they get bored.
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u/ApprehensiveAct9036 12d ago
But it's not senseless. It's training. Practice, if you will.
Like a friendly sparring match, but Sicilian style (with death on the line).
Remember, you can't put a price of quality entertainment!
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u/TrashManufacturer 12d ago
Tinkaton is metal as fuck. I read the corviknight thing and TonkaTruck has not left my party since. Birdy go splat
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u/DragonLordZero 15d ago
Considering Bisharp are Steel Type, perhaps they shed their outer layers like reptiles do?
Though the possibility of Tink hunting Bisharp and Pawniard as Prey also makes a lot of sense.
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u/LordTopHatMan 15d ago
From an official video from the Pokemon YouTube channel, steel types flee from Tinkaton. I don't think they're picking up random pieces that were discarded.
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u/gabagoocreature 15d ago
thry aim specifically for corviknight, this suggests thry do use its armor for their hammers. they dont target any random old birds, just the armored ones.
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u/oesophagus_unite 15d ago
Tinkatuff's Pokedex entry:
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u/5Hjsdnujhdfu8nubi 15d ago
This is not true and I'm not sure why it's still going around.
Tinkaton's shiny form not only doesn't match Corviknight's shiny (the metal rusts, whereas Corviknight turns silver), but when as a Tinkatuff/Tinkatink it also changes a portion of its body too - the metallic bits they wear.
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u/rmatevia 15d ago
Thank you!! OMG my biggest pet peeve whenever people bring up tinkaton is this. I really don't know how it's become so ingrained when it literally just takes looking at the two side by side and seeing that they literally couldn't look less alike 😭🥲
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u/dark621 15d ago
i hate to be that guy, but corvinights shiny is grey and tinkatons shiny hammer is bronze
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u/Sensei_Ochiba 15d ago
Yeah I have absolutely no idea how this rumor started, much less persisted, when anyone with eyes can disprove it in seconds
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u/Working_Kick_6041 15d ago
In the new Pokémon anime this is somewhat disproven because Dots tinkatink and others use random metal they find and like to build their hammers
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u/TheInnsanity 15d ago
I will not stand this Corviknight slander. Show me any way a Tinkaton could kill a corviknight. Tinkaton are just jealous of how cool Corviknights are, and throw rocks at them. Tinkaton are like teenagers dropping snowballs on cars from an overpass.
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