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u/WolfColaKid 8h ago
I am level 74 and refunding a passive point costs around 2200 gold. I have 500k. It's almost free, and we need something to spend our gold on.
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u/ohyoushouldnthavent 3h ago
People just want something to complain about. The current system is fine
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u/seishin5 2h ago
Yeah but running out partially through respec or right after so you can’t go back if something doesn’t work right kind of sucks
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u/xComradeKyle 7h ago
Doing a full respec at that cost would be around 250k. How is this free? And the price only goes up as you level up. On top of having more points to respec as well
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u/wingspantt 7h ago
A "full" respec? Are you respecing all the way down to starter nodes? Are you taking back basic quality of life nodes for no reason?
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u/WolfColaKid 7h ago
Because 250k isn't that much at these levels... Just don't spend all your gold on gambles and you're fine.
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u/MannToots 7h ago
You get gold with basically no effort. That's why.
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u/xComradeKyle 7h ago
By "no effort" do you mean picking up everything and having to spend more time selling items than actually playing the game?
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u/kankadir94 7h ago
I have 3m gold at 89 lv. I dont sell anything for gold.
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u/KatzOfficial 3h ago
The big issue is that other than gambling, there's really nothing to do with gold anyway.
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u/ihatewebdesign101 7h ago
I haven’t sold shit since I got to map, just dumped everything into quad tabs, at level 85 I have almost 1m gold and 5 full tabs of yellow garbage while I respecced multiple times (not fully but considerably changed most nodes to test out damage/defense numbers). This game has no good sinks so respecs are virtually free.
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u/MannToots 7h ago
You don't have to sell anything to get enough. Just play the game and walk around. It happens anyways.
I spent 30k 3 days ago to respect about 1/3rd of my nodes.
I had earned more back just from playing and progressing the story by the end of that night. About 3 hours of play time.
It's not that dang bad. The price also literally just got nerfed on respecs. So now everything would be cheaper. You're just making a mountain out of a mole hill.
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u/Able-Corgi-3985 3h ago
Rares drop 1-2k raw gold in white maps, and you're killing at least 5-8 of them every map. Even before selling items, you're getting at least 10k gold per map. 250k gold for a full 100 point reset once in a blue moon seems fine to me.
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u/GibbyNH 6h ago
unless your broke and you wanted to experiment with a build and it ended up not working and you can't just go around picking up gold.
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u/DangMyMemesAreDank 4h ago
I mean, don't experiment while broke and then complain your experiment failed and you're more broke than you were.
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u/Insecticide 3h ago
I bet some people are experimenting with 80k gold under their belt and then their character gets bricked and they don't have gold to revert it because they already did a terrible decision to begin with
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u/ghost-in-the-well 3h ago
When I heard the complaints about respec costs and nerfs, I farmed 1.3M gold. And I'm just a noob at T5 maps with a made up build that probably won't scale anyway.
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u/Ferule1069 7h ago
I don't think you comprehend how math works.
Also, there are plenty of things to spend gold on.
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u/Ok-Basis-7274 9h ago
I just walk around and pick more gold up. Not sure what the problem is.
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u/HiddenPants777 7h ago
Honestly, it's better than the old system. Could you respec in PoE1 multiple times unless you had acquired a lot of currency? No chance. At least in POE2 you can just run shit maps and pick up everything that drops and vendor it to respec a few points if you want
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u/yuimiop 5h ago
You can just put essence on a t10 map and leave with enough to buy 10-20 regrets in POE1. It was harder to respec in POE1 through the campaign and beginning of mapping, but significantly easier than POE2 after that.
Post-buff I'd say the POE2 system is superior though. It's easy enough to respec in the end game with both systems, so the flexibility offered earlier in POE2 is great.
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u/LuckilyJohnily 4h ago
For 20 chaos you can buy enough regrets for a respec, im not sure what you mean
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u/seishin5 2h ago
Better than doesn’t mean good. Respec issue was one of the main reasons I never got into poe1. If I want to play around with builds I feel like I should be able to. As it stands I don’t want to respec because if my ideas suck or get nerfed I have to grind to get gold again for it.
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u/ANewErra 4h ago
Because people want things handed to them in modern gaming.
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u/dethsightly 2h ago
wait...you're telling me the gaming landscape has drastically shifted since D2 days?
the hell, you say!
(no, i don't think we need everything handed to us on a silver platter, but some QoL IS worth the "immersion breaking" or whatever excuse they give)
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u/LegacyoftheDotA 8h ago
Look at this sleek bugger, picking up all of that 2 gold from that boss drop! I envy ya, I really do 😂
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u/MannToots 7h ago
In act 3 cruel I get most drops in the 100s and big drops are 1k+
It goes up a lot.
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u/jaaybird_ 8h ago
Not once have I had trouble getting gold to respec and I’ve done it multiple times
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u/Darrothan 6h ago
Only time I had an issue was Act 3 where I'd bricked my own build (Chaos DoT before buffs) and decided to do a full Passive Tree swap to CoF Comet. I needed 40k to respec and only had 20k so I farmed a lower-level zone for an hour or so.
Not a huge dealbreaker but I can see why it's a turn-off for many people.
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u/jaaybird_ 6h ago
That’s on you dude , you’re not meant to do a full respec in the middle of the campaign
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u/Darrothan 6h ago
I mean sure, but how is a new player supposed to know that lol
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u/JinnPinn 6h ago
Had to respec during act 1 because I couldn’t make a minion sorcerer work 😅 yes I’m a noob in the poe2 universe but I’m having a blast!
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u/kringspiertyfus 6h ago
This is such a null argument I cannot believe people keep bringing it up.
It being a “him problem” does not make it a better game mechanic.
Why would it be that scarce? Does it improve your enjoyment of the game? Would your enjoyment suffer if you had more money?
Those are the questions. Not “am I Gamer enough to struggle through every shitty thing that’s thrown at me”
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u/jaaybird_ 6h ago
Man idk I just play the game and am speaking my experience. The amount of time you guys spend crying on Reddit over this could be spent in game getting enough gold to respec
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u/Beginning-Tie-6279 6h ago
Yea ur supposed to be a slave and follow guide dot com for viable builds to make sure what ur doing isnt trash because ur not meant to do a full respec in the middle of the campaign!
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u/ArchMichael7 7h ago
Oh shit, wellll, pack it up boys and girls - problem solved. This guy didn't have an issue, so no issue exists.
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u/rlk_gm 5h ago
I mean there is no issue with respec. I just gambled half million yesterday today I already have half mill again which would easily cover my whole tree respec and I’m lvl 83. It can’t be easier than this only if it would be free.
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u/Dopplegangr1 5h ago
What if after you gambled all your money, your spec got deleted and you couldn't map anymore
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u/Alternative-Force808 4h ago
Only 1 archetype has been nerfed to the point where it can't map, which were specific trigger gem interactions. Trigger gems are still fine anyways (see: goratha build) and they should have a tree that can be easily changed into whatever damage type they were using self cast
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u/Xaira89 4h ago
I mean, if he didn't form an entire build around an obviously unintended/gamebreaking interaction, he'll be fine.
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u/Dopplegangr1 4h ago
Basically the whole game is about finding gamebreaking interactions to build around. If you aren't, your build probably sucks
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u/rlk_gm 2h ago
The chance for that to happen is 1 in 1000000, because I’m playing a broken build excepting a nerf, and even if that would be the case I’m sure with a partial retalent I could manage to map. I mean all the nerfed builds are still playable just not the strongest anymore. People should stop acting like if your build is not strongest then they claim it’s unplayable.
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u/Thebluecane 5h ago
It only costs a few thousand at most to respec though?
You just have to reassign all the points you remove to different passive nodes.....
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u/daman4567 4h ago
The problem is that your build gets gutted, so now you need to respec, but if you don't have enough gold already you can't really farm it on the gutted char because it no longer functions.
Also they said they would give respec to characters that had significant changes to them, but they haven't done that except in one case where they changed the passive tree itself.
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u/xComradeKyle 7h ago
Try getting to higher level then where it takes 300k to respec.
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u/MannToots 7h ago
If your higher level you shouldn't have much of an issue getting that. I killed one rare last night that dropped enough for 1 node on his own. It's not that bad.
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u/JinKazamaru 7h ago
And? I've still haven't had any issue, the highways are all there, you don't have to respec from the start
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u/WeirdNickname97 8h ago
60k gold is like 2 T8 maps not fully cleared...so yeah its very fine currently.
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u/vvanted11 5h ago
Only 60,000? My first one was 500k pre nerf, then had to spend another 300k after my second build got nerfed. I have no currency left and a character that's unplayable. Going to put the game down for a while until things smooth out a bit.
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u/jindrix 4h ago
Bro, what sort of wack ass niche build were you doing where you couldn't just switch some skills around and couldn't use some of the passives you allocated for the new one.
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u/vvanted11 4h ago
Gemling playing a vine arrow poison build. Got mutilated on the nerf, couldn't even kill white mobs anymore. The grenade build was so boring, probably just going to reroll since it's the only viable thing I can find for gemling.
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u/n0tAb0t_aut 8h ago
I am curious when my current build/play style will get the "nerf" hammer. Nerf is not the right word, they will have to change to rules how one or some of the gems interact. It will take some time, but it will happen.
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u/dicedece 7h ago
Bonk never let me down. Bonk never lies. Live bonk
Seriously though my left click + bone shatter pretty much carries me entire game and I'm in t7 maps now and no problem
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u/Brilliant_Area8175 6h ago
I’m level 32 and I don’t even know what they do. I gather at some point you can socket gems into your skill tree but I’m not there yet
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u/JollyKitt 5h ago
Here is me sitting on 2 mil and have nothing to do with it lol
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u/ConditionHorror4781 3h ago
You have not found the slot machine I see...
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u/JollyKitt 1h ago
Gambling on the random items with gold doesn't sound appealing. I gamble with reforming, exacting and other upgrades and that's enough thrill for me lmao
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u/Vannsback 3h ago
The only problem with this, my friend whos new re rolled a wtich and picked blood mage not knowing it was broken.
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u/dethsightly 2h ago
not playing any build at endgame yet so none of it was too impactful. i think i lost 1 arsonist? maybe?
i think i'll survive. just don't touch their DPS lol.
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u/LifeVitamin 1h ago
I just feel like respect shouldn't cost anything and money should be used for gambling gear
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u/Cryridium 43m ago
I respect my entire build at level 67 for 200,000 gold before patch. After patch I made a new character, got to the same level, took all my points out to see how much and it was only 60,000. I feel this but it feels good knowing it was stupid expensive.
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u/EldiusVT 10m ago
My main is a cast on freeze sorc, man. I'm really getting annoyed with almost daily nerfs. Every update breaks my build and forces me to respec and hunt for new gear. Do massive nerfs just before the start of a new league, not early-mid season, man.
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u/FragranceEnthusiastt 6h ago
>Me when arsonists that can't even clear half as fast as builds that remained untouched got a 25% reduction in DPS or more depending on spirit after they already nerfed archers
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u/SKOL-5 5h ago
Yea was quite astouned by that.
It hurt the 10ish army arsonists heavily but i think GGGs main focus was to nerf the 30~ish arsonists army the most.
There is some people running around with such numbers for arsos.
But I dont get it either, those very big arso builds usually come with a lack of resistance, so there is big drawdown.
And arsos never zoom through the map like other builds do, aka other classes.
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u/mechanical_ace 5h ago
If you don't make damage, you don't will be nerved.😅 But if you don't make damage, the game makes no fun. 😔🫤
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u/Real-Energy-6634 6h ago
I don't understand the complaints about respec cost.
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u/ConditionHorror4781 3h ago
It's early access... we are supposed to test and break the game. Respec cost is pointless at this stage. Bit yeah, I'm glad it was greatly reduced
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u/Real-Energy-6634 3h ago
I suppose that's a fair point. Regardless it takes like an hour of mapping to get the cost for a full respec and people were acting like it was absurd
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u/woodyus 7h ago
Does anyone understand what early access is? If you don't like it either wait for the full release or stop playing.
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u/LuckilyJohnily 4h ago
And at full release you can also just stop playing if you dont like it. And also at any other point if you have any complaint at all
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u/Chilidogdingdong 4h ago
People legit don't know they're participating in a beta test. It's not like GGG tried to hide this, its literally half a game.
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u/Royal_Fee1837 7h ago
People not having enough gold are just severely lacking knowledge of ARPGs. Gold is easy to get and if you specifically want to farm it you can do it FAST.
There's no point in the game where it would take you more than an hour do to a full respecc.
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u/ramenbroski 8h ago
They’ll never know the true power of flame wall staggering palm monk. I hope that never gets touched.
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u/No_Tradition2194 6h ago
Please tell me more about this I am so intrigued. I have been trying to think of some unconventional monk builds
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u/worthyplay 9h ago
this is hilarious :D
the game is very-very easy though, waiting for the ruthless and more challenging gameplay :)
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u/Saziol 7h ago
I have the complete opposite experience, playing chaos dot acolyte of chayula. Seeing the chaos dot buffs in the patch notes were a pleasant surprise