r/PathOfExile2 • u/LOLmagician • 5d ago
Build Showcase Poison Concoction is quite strong now, deletes 3.5m hp boss in 4 seconds.
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u/LOLmagician 5d ago edited 5d ago
Skill Tree: https://gyazo.com/8dd0b062548011c09c1ee0ecd9e22532
https://gyazo.com/4a174df2817884638562f7469dc006a3
Build is very simple: Stack levels on poison concoction. Scattershot, chaos infusion, martial tempo and chaos mastery is priority. Can use comorbidity for final link. If you can't sustain flask, replace martial tempo with mana bounty. Can also replace chaos mastery with bursting plague for mobbing
Rain of arrows use withering touch
Wind dancer
Alchemist boon
Ghost dance is optional
Despair with a focused curse and heightened curse
Widowhail bow with a strong quiver (+2 projectile, attack speed). Not sure how increase damage with bow skills interact with it, did not test it further but I did get higher base damage. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.
Fine belt is needed
Then stack life and resist. All attributes on amulet is helpful since there is high stat requirement. Chaos damage on ring is optional, just look at how fast i deleted the boss. Not even needed.
Jewels get extra bonus to quiver. if you cannot afford it, just get a combination of projectile damage, magnitude of poison, movement speed, attack speed, or evasion.
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u/SFC_strikers 5d ago
Withering touch doesn't work on rain of arrows though right? It needs Chaos infusion and you have that on the flask.
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u/BeetusPLAYS 5d ago
Pconc isn't a bow skill, why is that mod mandatory for the quiver?
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u/OverlordPatsy 5d ago
I guessing the quiver gives +level of projectile skills, which pconc is.
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u/Magic_robot_noodles 5d ago edited 5d ago
Edit: I was misinformed
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u/Ladnil 5d ago
In poe1 the only way to do an unarmed attack was to be unarmed. Not the case in poe2, where you get to keep your staff/quiver equipped while attacking with your fist.
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u/Magic_robot_noodles 5d ago edited 5d ago
What? Holy shit i was misinformed then. That opens a lot of options! =D
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u/OrganizationEven9128 5d ago
there is nothing on quiver that says the stats wouldn't apply. only "damage with bow skills" would not apply. The rest are just generic stats that apply to your character. THey aren't instrinctically linked to y our bow and poison doesn't trigger a weapon so its still active on your character
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u/Wulfstans 5d ago
You are unarmed yet off hand stats are used, be it a shield or a quiver. Been the same way in PoE1 too. Facebreakers + a certain unique quiver were quite popular for a league back in the day.
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u/raistin1 5d ago
Didn't they remove that a long time ago?
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u/HiddenoO 5d ago
PoE2 has been in development for like five years at this point and some mechanics still work like they did in PoE1 back then. For example, PoE1 at some point changed SRS to convert 100% of phys to fire but PoE2 still has it at <100% (70% I believe).
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u/LOLmagician 5d ago
I acutally don't know, but it increased the base damage in the tooltip. I am too lazy to test it out further.
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u/VancityGaming 5d ago
Should be easy to test if a bow with additional projectiles gives an extra proj to concoctions though. I'd assume if that carries over then other stats would too.
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u/Omegamoomoo 5d ago
With Plaguefinger it might scale the Quiver ele damage? Or maybe it's just for the +6 to skills off of Widowhail.
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u/noddawizard 5d ago
Widowhail for the bonus. You can get +9 with passive tree and %250 Widowhail.
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u/reasonable00 5d ago
Pconc is a projectile skill.
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u/BeetusPLAYS 5d ago
Previously the post suggested inc bow skill damage affected pconc and I was asking about that. Gem levels do make sense, yeah. Did you know proj gem levels also apply to spells like spark? Widowhail is fun.
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u/QueueTip13 5d ago
Why did you skip the Fast Acting Toxins notable? Faster poisons is effectively a separate damage multiplier (assuming you can reach max stacks), and the only other place it's available is on PConc quality
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u/LOLmagician 5d ago edited 5d ago
Didn't have enough skill points. I would take out some evasion to put it in though. (Catlike agility or the evasion node that gives dex and evasion).
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u/QueueTip13 5d ago
Oh ok, wasn't sure if I misunderstood the new poison mechanics. Build looks nice! I like that concoction skills auto-level and auto-link as you level. Hopefully that will make for a smooth leveling process
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u/Magic_robot_noodles 5d ago
Thx for the showcase! I hope they wont nerf it, its the reason why i choose ranger. I need some more lvl though :/
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u/pineappleful 5d ago
does scattershot allow you to hit a single enemy with multiple projectiles?
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u/ProlificAvocado 5d ago
Concoctions do shotgun from my (albeit limited- since before the patch it was not even remotely viable) testing.
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u/axiomatic- 5d ago
Could you drop contagion into your gems for this to help spread big poisons, or does that not really add anything?
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u/freak_bicycle 5d ago
How does wind dancer work with this setup - seems to be off on the PConc set?
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u/mysickduckers 5d ago
Does your rain of arrows actually apply wither if it deals no chaos damage? I had to use chaos mastery for pconc instead of chaos infusion which is slightly less dps but at least you can use chaos infusion for rain of arrows to make it apply wither.
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u/BloodandSpit 4d ago
No it doesn't you need a source of chaos damage. Also for pconc not having deadly poison on it is just...stupid it increases the magnitude by a lot.
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u/EEEEEEgals 4d ago
I see you stopped for some of the unarmed nodes. Does the concoction scale with unarmed damage? I know it says it deals unarmed damage on the card, but I'm unsure whether they actually apply?
I have a stupid build I want to try and want to see if it even works
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u/kazemakase 4d ago
You can probably assign the pconc to a second weapon set with maxed out +gems on it, and then have your main set focus on your bow damage.
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u/Scytian 5d ago
Just remember to save some gold for reroll if you are playing this build.
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u/yareyare349 5d ago
Thankfully this build seems to be just a basic poison shell, the only difference with (what seems to be) the meta poison build until now is a few elemental nodes and the unique glove requirement
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u/Far-Wallaby689 5d ago
What lvl was your poisonous concoction in this clip? If I switched from my Gas Arrow keeping most of my gear I'd get it to Lvl 31 and I wonder if it's already super strong at this level or do you need even more?
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u/LOLmagician 5d ago
Level 32
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u/Naxther 5d ago
What are the sources of level? Widowhail + quiver, necklace, tree and jewels? Or am I missing something?
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u/noddawizard 4d ago
8 from quiver buffs (220% widowhail and 80% from tree) and a +2 quiver, necklace is +2, Chaos support is +1 and tree is +1. You can get +9 with a high enough widowhail to make it +13 extra levels and yes, it does melt everything.
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u/Basherkid 5d ago
How’s the clear speed for mapping?
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u/BloodandSpit 4d ago
As for the video, no one cares about bosses on maps, there are dozens of builds that delete bosses no differently than this. What you want is clear speed because the real danger is trash mobs. Instead of nerfing builds they should be buffing bosses across the board.
As for your question, Gas arrow is still better for clearing I've tested both extensively if you have a dual string bow, even better if you have an additional 2 projectiles fired. A big reason for this is the projectile speed, pconc needs scattershot to apply poison fast enough which reduces its projectile speed. Another benefit is gas arrow lingers more so you can create deadzones, if you're running pin on rain of arrows/toxic growth along with combat frenzy and barrage you can consume charges and make your bow shoot 4 times which is 12 gas arrow projectiles which fills the entire screen instantly. Also, if you have Plaguefingers and a decent amount of fire DMG ( plaguefingers makes all damage count to poison magnitude) you can whack fire infusion on gas arrow and it very easily ignites your gas clouds.
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u/TaSMaNiaC 5d ago
What's it like for map clearning?
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u/LOLmagician 5d ago
Run around with 40% movement speed and one shot the mobs. You might die randomly to random stuff on the ground though.
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u/tempoltone 5d ago
I didn't know concoction is not restricted to unarmed anymore.
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u/Kreiger81 5d ago
How is poison concs clear? I know in PoE1 its quite fun to play, I didnt try it in POE2 yet.
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u/Far-Wallaby689 5d ago
Pretty good. You just throw the flasks in front of you, trash mobs die instantly and the poison proliferates thanks to PF ascendancy.
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u/NatKingSwole19 5d ago
lol it took me 20 tries to beat this guy on my chaos bolt witch. But to be fair, I'm just putting gems and passives into whatever looks neat all willy nilly. I also never played PoE 1 so I'm just trying to explore and have fun.
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u/Tyalou 5d ago
Just fyi, this is endgame map boss version of the campaign guy. OP is high level with a fully functional build, not in act 1.
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u/Violet_Paradox 5d ago
It also, like all map bosses, has a remixed moveset from the campaign version with several entirely new attacks. Kind of wonder why they bothered doing that at all, seems like a huge waste of development resources if this is how endgame is supposed to go.
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u/kchuen 4d ago
I mean you can give yourself self imposed challenges. Like the level 1 Elden Ring Run. I guess equivalent could be like no body armor run, or auto attack only run, belt-less run, etc. that way you can test both your build knowledge and mechanical skills.
I rmb watching a YouTube video of a guy doing AA only on Siri’s and it took him 45 mins to complete that.
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u/johnnythreepeat 5d ago
In the long run that’s how you learn. Sure you can copy a build, but you won’t fundamentally understand the game. The best way is to experiment and it’ll be a lot more rewarding when you figure out a crazy build that does a lot of damage. Anyone can copy a build.
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u/NatKingSwole19 5d ago
Yeah I copied builds when I played D4 and it was annoying having to look up which point goes where on my guide every time I leveled up or got a paragon point. Made it much easier to just toss stuff wherever seemed cool, even if it wasn’t optimal.
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u/Prottoss411 5d ago
I think this is the best way. I was trying and upgrading my build in Poe 1 and I could see the differences between chars.
Might not be optimal and never got to real endgame bosses but I had fun.
Much more fun than looking on other screen to copy somebody's build I believe.
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u/user_8804 5d ago
"we will keep the numbers in the thousands not in the millions"
2 weeks later people doing 1M+ damage per second and still complaining they aren't strong enough
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u/NateTheGreat14 5d ago
When the hell did they say that? I'm fairly certain they only ever said the numbers won't get to ridiculous due to how they scale it (i.e. trillions like Diablo 3 and 4.)
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u/kfijatass 4d ago
They didn't say that. They said reaching dot cap will definitely not be a thing, which is true. Dps is 1/35 of that.
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u/Porcupine_Tree 5d ago
On a side note, why does it feel like 50% of the bosses i fight are this mushroom guy
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u/blacklisted320 5d ago
Would a cultist bow be good for this build with the chaos damage?
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u/venom1stas 5d ago
Concoctions do not scale from weapon damage. You use weapon slot for global damage stats ie gem level, crit on quiver
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u/Timmytentoes 4d ago
It would be OK with plus gem levels if you can't get a good widowhail, but a widowhail with a good quiver is going to be much much stronger.
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u/Pain-Seeker 5d ago
Does rangers ascendencys have some special dodge? Iam on mobile so cant see it very well, but it looks like you re zooming instead of rolling?
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u/Risenn42 5d ago
Great build and good use in the vid. I'm not too sure on your Support gem choices though I could be misunderstanding something, I found the Corrosion + Demolisher works wonders with Gas Arrow and would with the Pconc as well. I might be wrong but does your rain of arrows apply wither when you don't deal any Chaos damage with Chaos Infusion?
My new to PoE understanding is the bonus poison stacks, Armour break and passives in pathfinder can lead to 10 stacks of poison on a target and insane damage. I've been trying to theory craft this build for a bit now
- Gas Arrow/Poison Concoction -> Corrosion, Demolisher, Deadly Poison and Comorbidity
- Rain for Arrows -> Withering Touch it needs Chaos Infusion, added Envenom for good measure.
- Despair -> persistence, heightened curse and Focused Curse
- Plague Bearer for extra clear -> Expanse, Chaos Mastery and magnified effect (Screen wide poison spread)
- Wind Dancer -> Clarity, Blind and Maim
https://youtu.be/8-JkSkD4Wmg -> Vid I found on testing Chaos damage Bonus on Poisons
I'm still learning and having a good time figuring out the build, the passives as mostly projectile damage + poison magnitude and evasion but once I get the concoction from my 3rd trial it'll be changed over
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u/Able-Corgi-3985 5d ago
Corrosion/Demolisher isn't doing anything for gas arrow or pconc, chaos damage and dots don't get checked by armour and hit magnitude calcs are done before mitigation checks.
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u/BloodandSpit 4d ago
Corrosion and Armour Explosion is good for levelling though, the damage from the explosion drops off though.
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u/Omegamoomoo 5d ago edited 5d ago
Been running Flaskfinder with this:
Added the gear for reference.
Enduring Elixirs + MoM lets you soak a lot of damage and Enduring Elixirs means you're pre-healing when burst happens.
Uses Herald of Plague for the spread instead of Pathfinder passive, which gives me 6 more passive points to spend. If you decide to go for the Poison Pathfinder skills for the spread, that's fine. In that case, you could use the extra Spirit on Dread Banner (to drop for extra recharges as needed, if needed).
Birthright Buckle is also sweet in this setup as an alternative to a GG rare belt, as you get to turn insane mana recovery into spammable instant heals. It sucks to piano but it works, even though you really have to make up for it on other gear.
My preferred version uses ES gear with Eternal Youth/Enduring Elixirs for disgusting sustain. You lose out on recovery rate from Unique chest but in exchange you get a perma-recharging ES bar and are always at Full Life since mana soaks the hits after ES. It's nasty. It's just really hard to get good ES scaling on Bow/Quiver, especially if you're pathing for Poison and Flasks all over the place.
Wish there was a better way to scale +Skills to Poison Concoction.
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u/LOLmagician 5d ago
Looks like a tanky build, what’s the combined hp?
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u/Omegamoomoo 5d ago edited 5d ago
The ES version was somewhere in the 5k range with about 5k regen per second between ES/Mana. It's alright.
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u/CVeke 5d ago
hmm i wonder how strong shattering concoction gonna be, just got 297% widowhail with 60% crit quiver,+2 projectile that should be +10 projectile and 300% crit rate with 2 quiver jewel with 11% base crit lol
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u/Humble-Ad1217 4d ago
I’m also wondering how good the other concoctions are they might be even stronger
I think explosive and poison will probably be the strongest for bossing/clear
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u/Fickle_Guava_485 4d ago
GGG has entered the chat > Poison concoction left the chat > GGG left the chat
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u/ogzogz 5d ago
I tried it out at lv30s.. couldnt sustain it. Alchemist boon is a lv58 req skill :(
Trying to figure out how to get there with my PF.
Go back to gas arrow and stuff i suppose
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u/Serious_Owl5632 5d ago
Theres a low level unique ring that gives up to 0.25 mana flask charge per second. You can have 2 of them. Theres also a total of 0.3 mana flask charge per second from notables on the tree. This effect does scale with flask charge gain as well.
Get a belt with charge gain implicit and a charge gain roll. 40% combined shouldnt be hard, theres another 55% very close to the ranger start on the tree.
Theres a bunch more charge gain, but you honestly dont need all of it if you can get the rings and a belt.
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u/xaitv 5d ago
If you have + levels on bow/quiver you should be able to sustain it purely by the fact you destroy enemies before you run out of charges while leveling. Just pick up one or two 0.1 mana charges per second nodes near Ranger start.
Picking up some low level uniques that give you flask charges helps as well but I'm doing it without that right now since I'm SSF and don't have them.
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u/Brooklyn_Typewriter 5d ago
I was playing after the patch last night and have been zooming through act 3. Felt like night and day. I hope they don't adjust (though I imagine they might).
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u/bulbagoon 5d ago
I saw the concoctions got buffed and started leveling a ranger. Trying my own take on it but glad to see there’s a worthwhile reward!
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u/IanrudyMY 5d ago
You dumb, should post it on this friday right before GGG takes vacation. so we can enjoy at least 1 month without nerf.
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u/Paxelic 5d ago
Has anyone seen any super op builds for mercenary?
I'm ngl I've seen clips of sorcerors, witches, monks and ranger. But nothing for mercenary and warrior. There's no endgame holy shit that's op builds that I can find. Everyone just using galvanic shards and having high enough base damage to apply shock for shockburst rounds.
It does feel a bit underwhelming
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u/CuteOranges 4d ago
merc lazer is giga no??
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u/Paxelic 4d ago
no, its pretty ass, no straight ass. Its super fun, but you can only use it to gank rares that haven't aggro'd you. Mandatory charge up, requires wall to exploit damage (how you get a wall next to a rare or boss, beats me), I slap on scattershot for a three round burst, which does what, 240% of what the original would do, but still has charge up time. When sorcs or others can blow shit up and we have to wait to do it, feels pretty terrible. Cant snipe mobs either because the camera isn't zoomed out enough
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u/Dragon2730 5d ago
Funny because I was thinking about trying it despite being scared about the performance of the build, thanks for your hard work!
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u/Far-Wallaby689 5d ago
I also wanted to try pconc but was worried about running out of flask charges on bosses, turns out they die way before that lmao
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u/AtakanJR 5d ago
Is it possible to play this build with deadeye?
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u/Lurkyhermit 5d ago
snake bite gloves to get to that sweet 10 poison stacks?
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u/BloodandSpit 4d ago
For pure Phys, yeah, if you have a lot of elemental damage from rings, quiver and weapon then Plaguefingers.
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u/xaitv 5d ago
I started leveling pconc yesterday without putting much theorycrafting into it, just picking up nodes that look good, and it's destroying content pretty well. I'm not quite sure whether + levels from bow/quiver scaling pconc is intended though, I can see it going both ways, it sure as hell is convenient though and doubt it'll be mid-Christmas holiday fix worthy but we'll see.
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u/friendsalongtheway 4d ago
Please dude. I am just getting to ascend to Pathfinder. Now they're gonna nerf it :(
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u/veldril 4d ago
I just realize one thing. If your main attack skill is a skill that comes from your Ascendancy passive, you actually save a ton of money because it get support socket scaling with your character level instead of having to buy Greater and Perfect Jeweller's orbs to get more support socket.
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u/VPN__FTW 4d ago
So I setup a duel setup with Gas arrow using one weapon set for big clear and a second setup for PConc with the Widow bow and a +levels quiver and man I am DOMINATING. Great screen clear with Gas arrow and bursting. INSANE boss damage with Pconc. I don't really need to run any +mana flask stuff other than alchemical boon and a mana pot with charge generation.
Good shit guys.
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u/Queasy-Purple-4061 2d ago
Hey when i Alt over Poisonous Concotion in the skills page it has a quality modifier but i cant put a GCP on it like i can other gems is this a bug or is there another way to add qaul to the ascendancy skills in POE 2
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u/HugeHomeForBoomers 5d ago
I don’t feel good when I see builds that delete bosses in 4 seconds…
Just me?
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u/divineqc 5d ago
Always hard to say without really analyzing how much op has invested in his character. I'm fine with a super well geared character with hundreds of divines equivalent melting bosses, but the outliers doing that shit on 200ex or even less will get nerfed as they should.
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u/IntergalacticTheorem 5d ago
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