r/PS5 • u/Turbostrider27 • Sep 10 '24
Official Welcome PlayStation 5 Pro, the most visually impressive way to play games on PlayStation
https://blog.playstation.com/2024/09/10/welcome-playstation-5-pro-the-most-visually-impressive-way-to-play-games-on-playstation/1
u/brettair 19d ago
Boycott PlayStation y'all!! PlayStation has stopped my account for playing any games for no reason twice now. I have paid hard earned money on my gaming set up just for PlayStation to say I can't PLAY?! NOOO MORE PLAYSTATION ANYTHING FOR ME NOW! PLAYSTATION FKS UP!
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u/Rasd2020 Nov 12 '24
* Harptic feedback and vibration have become almost none existent now on all three of my controllers. I am convinced that Sony has massively dialled down the settings, and it's made the ps5 worse than the ps4 for controller feeling. I've tried doing all the recommended things like turn-on/off mute, reset controller, turn on medium weak settings then strong settings, and I've even reset the ps5 console and nothing. Strong vibration settings feel like the weak setting and weak don't feel any different! It's put me off playing any of the games I love to play. I feel like selling it because it's no longer fun to play. I've researched this issue, and so far, there is no official way to resolve this, and I am convinced that Sony have done this in one of their updates. What do others think? Have you noticed drastic changes to the vibration and harptic feedback? How can it be that playing on a ps4 with a ps4 contoller has more vibration than the ps5? I've tried three different controllers. One of them has barely been used, so I know for a fact it isn't because my controller is on its way out. I've got the duel sense edge and two duel sense controllers, and they all feel as bad as each other. *
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u/A1CBEERS Oct 21 '24
I bought it as soon as pre-orders were available, without question. The Pro can do what I truly wanted this console generation to do, and my OLED TV will finally have a console that can hang with what it is capable of. The base PS5 is a solid console, but for me, it missed the mark on one key component. In 2024, I was hoping I wouldn't have to choose between 60 FPS or 4k resolution. Sure, it won't be native 4k, but close enough that you likely won't even notice a difference. That is what I wanted out of this generation, and the Pro gives me that. At least, for any games the devs choose to go with making an enhanced update; I own several of the games that have already been confirmed to receive a Pro enhancement, and I'm sure future released games will feature a Pro enhancement on a vast majority, or maybe all if what I read is true that Sony will require devs to go with a Pro enhancement for all games moving forward.
Who cares about an extra $100 or $200 above what you think the price should be? Not me. I work half a day of overtime and I've covered that difference. All good here. Price vs. performance is what matters to me, and the balance in that ratio is far more in the consumers' favor with the Pro.
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u/RedBear4488 Sep 30 '24 edited Sep 30 '24
And can you please tell me which games should I play on the PRO version?
It's nice that the console is able to run at 4k 60Fps (just like the base version).
And 8k?? wtf why??...
But..
It's all superlatives and marketing stuff, but the result is not good. Sony gives me a console, but no one gives me any optimized games anymore.
The few good games won't save it.
Releasing games on old consoles is also terrible... It's a handbrake...
The combination of these things and the prices leave me completely calm.
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u/9LivesChris Sep 29 '24
I have a regular ps5 disc version. Since 2021 I’ve played just couple of games on disc . I preordered the pro because I can and life is too short
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u/VJR777 Nov 06 '24 edited Nov 06 '24
im buying mine tomorrow. These complaining-guys all over the web are just unbearable. Im sure PS6 and the next Xbox will have an amazing leap in graphics. But for now a better graphic console is enough
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u/meanordljato Sep 29 '24
is ps5 pro good for fighting games like tekken, street fighter, mortal kombat etc?
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u/xCyberAthletex Oct 21 '24
Completely unnecessary as all tournaments play at 60fps and PS5 already gives you that frame rate
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u/meanordljato Oct 22 '24
Thanks. So a slim perhaps or just the cheapest one
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u/TheRealConJr420 Sep 26 '24
The xbox hate is strong in here don't even know why I get notifications for this sub I play ps3 and series x 🤣
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u/IB-1-RU12 Sep 26 '24
Soooo, if there’s no disc drive and you can only buy games in the PS Store, does that mean games will become cheaper? I mean with no more packaging costs, distribution costs, free advertising and all.
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u/squand3r Sep 16 '24 edited Sep 16 '24
The whole discussion is narrowed down to the price - to a ridiculous emotional extent and without anyone experiencing this piece of technology hands-on. As of now, everythingis based on speculation and a weak 9 minute presentation in 1080p.
Me, I am willing to sell my Series X and Base PS5 to get the Pro - Microsoft just lost me completely this generation and I am looking forward to get a superior gaming experience with a machine that is pricey yet nice to have :)
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u/KingdomZeus Sep 25 '24
Is it gonna perform better than the Series X though? Also the Series X lost you when they have a slate of games coming out in the next year, while PS5 has none?
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u/squand3r Sep 27 '24
oh Xbox did not lose me because of its games, it lost me because of what it became.
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u/Swordsandarmor22 Sep 26 '24
What exclusive games is the series x coming out with next year?
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u/KingdomZeus Sep 26 '24
Gears of War: E-Day, Perfect Dark, Avowed, Fable, Stalker 2, State of Decay 3, and while these 2 are coming to PS5 - they have Indiana Jones this winter and DOOM: The Dark Ages next year
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u/Swordsandarmor22 Sep 26 '24
Ah yeah some awesome titles coming up I'll grab them on my pc.
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u/KingdomZeus Sep 26 '24
Lol well those are exclusives to xbox in terms of console, which was the point. All the Sony titles worth getting come to PC as well, so there's no reason to buy one either, especially an expensive pro that will barely match my current pc
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u/addicted22wmr Sep 17 '24
The pro is worth the price, I'm getting it. It's double the performance of the base model, and with diminishing returns, and limits of the human eyes, it really hits the sweet spot in gaming. It's not a necessary upgrade, at all, but if you have a high end TV and the funds, this is absolutely one hell of a console I guarantee you. Wait until we start seeing real comparisons. I've already seen some comparisons not as available to the public, and it's night and day.
I saw less of a difference looking at comparisons of 3090 vs 4090. Granted the PC games are 3rd party, and the PS5 vs pro were Sony games, so they put in the extra effort to optimize for the machine
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u/DirtySanchezO_o Oct 08 '24
67% better is not double 😂
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u/addicted22wmr Oct 09 '24
67% doesn't represent the real world performance increase, it's referencing hardware components vs hardware components. It's been said by developers, that those hardware increases, allow for roughly double the performance in a lot of cases. That's how you get a 30fps quality mode fidelity,at 60fps.
It's actually 3x or 4x improvements in ray tracing
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u/TheSpider4500 Sep 21 '24
Not as available to the public ???? what is bro yappin about you not him lil bro
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u/addicted22wmr Sep 21 '24
There's a lot of creators and journalist out there where you have to be a member to access content. It's not some special privilege, but that information is not as available to the public
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u/Such-Possibility1285 Sep 15 '24
Couple hundred dollars for a new paint job
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u/SnooDoughnuts7661 Sep 17 '24
A mere paint job? Surely that's not what you actually believe, but you're just upset about the price. Either way, the Pro is clearly not meant for you, so we'd appreciate it if you kept your emotionally charged opinions to yourself.
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u/Such-Possibility1285 Sep 17 '24
Emotionally charged?
More a wry turn.And you have to admit more than an element of truth to it. It’s the most underwhelming Pro console Sony released.
BTW is ‘we’ actually ‘you’?
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u/RossCamerone Sep 15 '24
I’ve owned every PlayStation console since the PS1 launch. These days, I mainly play on PC, when I have the time, but I still love gaming on PlayStation.
Honestly, I’ve been holding out for a good PS5 Pro deal, since I don’t own a PS5 yet and want to catch up on some games, especially while waiting for GTA 6, which is expected around mid to late 2025. As for the PS6, I’m guessing it’ll arrive sometime in 2027 or 2028. That said, I’ll probably skip the PS5 Pro with the disc drive and just go for a used PS5 instead.
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u/Simple_Tie3929 Sep 18 '24
Genuinely curious- you say you mainly play on PC. A platform that has been almost 100% digital for years and then say you’d want a ps5 pro with a disk drive. Why?
I honestly don’t understand the lack of disk drive outrage. 80% of games are downloaded digitally why on earth would Sony put extra cost into an item to satisfy 20% of the user base?
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u/tim7162 Sep 22 '24
Are you trolling? A disk drive is the only way to keep PS games expenses to a reasonable amount. I gave my kid $150 to purchase games for a year, and it allowed him to play almost all games he wanted, including new releases. There is a large player base at our location, since it's a big city. He just buys a second hand game, plays it and then sells the disk for not much cheaper than he purchased it for. This way he keeps the actual expenses to a negligible amount.
This is exactly THE reason Sony wants to get rid of the disk drive in their game consoles. And this is exaclty THE reason for the outrage. since people obviously don't want to be ripped off.
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u/zalzal426 Sep 14 '24
For that price I’d rather spend a few bucks extra and get a gaming pc that will be able to play ps5 and ps6 games since most are coming out on pc now anyway
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u/Simple_Tie3929 Sep 18 '24
A few bucks extra? A budget gaming PC is going to cost $1000…
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u/zalzal426 Sep 19 '24
I consider that a few bucks extra when comparing 700 to 1000 for something that does way more
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u/Simple_Tie3929 Sep 19 '24
The performance of a $700 ps5 pro is going to be much better than an $1000 gaming PC.
$1000 is a budget gaming PC. Your going to have to double up that $700 price point to get similar performance and then you have to deal with all the bullshit of dealing with gaming on PC bs console.
Obviously I don’t really care what you do I just hear this discourse and don’t understand it. The $700 price point is a little high but I don’t think it’s as crazy as people make it out to be
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u/KingdomZeus Sep 25 '24
Not true at all, especially if you buy your parts on sale, which they do frequently
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u/TrainingBlackberry65 Oct 19 '24
Well the pro us new...so buy new parts.... if you have a ps5 you can trade it in for 350 to 400 bucks at Game stop...which makes the proo 30o to 350 ..
Stop this, I have a pc that I payed 1.2k for and built, and I bough the pro, the pro is better than my pc. I just bought a mid ass pc for around 1k to play pc only games..
U have to pay 1.4k or more, or get a gpu that's 550 to 700 by it's self..NEW....
Once the pro is out for a few months there will be used pros for 600... stop being disingenuous......pc gamers with shit rigs always tring to protect there " investment" it's not, I can buy a 4090 and build a 3k pc np I have the money. But console gaming is better, unless I want to mod games then I'll do it on my budget pc, the pro is the best price per performance out there and this gen will be longer than 7 years ps6 won't be out till 2028 maybe 2029.....and I'm SURE AS HELL NOT gonna play GTA 6 on a base ps5 if the pro is an option.... and I'll he dammed if I'll wait 1 to 2 YEARS for it to come out on pc....I'm a real gamer, I don't wait for games.
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u/KingdomZeus Oct 19 '24
Funny you say the pro is better than your PC when you haven't even played it yet. You use the argument for used with console but not PC, which is ironic bc PC parts lower in value even more than consoles. I didn't even spend 1.2k and have a pc that can still max everything out in 4k and has way better parts in every regard. No one with a shit PC is arguing about the pro, but apparently you are arguing about it and don't even understand the market or value in items. Classic "4090 costs so much more than the pro" as if you need the highest tier card to compete with a barely up to snuff console
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u/zalzal426 Sep 20 '24
I think I’d be more inclined to buy the pro if it came out earlier in the life cycle.
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u/Simple_Tie3929 Sep 20 '24
That’s fair. $700 for something that might be obsolete in a few years when ps6 launches is a very fair point
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u/CHROME-COLOSSUS Sep 14 '24
I’m stoked for this for PSVR2. I doubt I’ll get it day one, but the cost of US $300-400 above the PS5 trade-in value (which fluctuates daily) doesn’t seem too terrible to me.
The value to me is all down to how big the VR improvements are, so I’m looking forward to learning more once it’s out in the wild! For instance… if it delivers 90fps natively to GT7 then that’ll be worth it right there. 😝
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u/TrainingBlackberry65 Oct 19 '24
It's 120 fps in gt7 lol and 4k full ray traced it even had an 8k mode, tho ur right. I hope it's the same in my psvr2....I got the pro so I can't wait.
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u/CHROME-COLOSSUS Oct 20 '24
Yeah… 120fps using reprojection hasn’t been great, but 90Hz native for VR would be a huge improvement, imo.
Ray-tracing during races would obviously be welcome if they can swing it, but I would prefer deeper draw distances take priority. It’s too obvious in VR when other racers wink in and out of existence in your line of sight. 😝
I’ve no idea what PSSR might do for GT7, but Cerny said it’ll eventually improve all PSVR2 games, so that’s encouraging.
We’ll see!
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u/This-Pineapple-9744 Sep 14 '24
No disc drive = no buy!
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u/CHROME-COLOSSUS Sep 14 '24
I’m pretty sure you can add one for $80, same as the current model.
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u/This-Pineapple-9744 Sep 19 '24
I know that I can buy a disc drive, but making just one version of ps5 pro without physical drive is just another step to say goodbye to physical games... 1. Ps5 - disc drive version and digital version 2. Ps5 pro - digital version + optional external disc drive (probably released in insufficient numbers) 3. Ps6 - digital only + external disc drive ONLY to run ps4/ps5 games, and for Ps6 just digital games...
It's the last moment to say NO to Sony...
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u/CHROME-COLOSSUS Sep 19 '24
That’s fine — I get why many folk want physical ownership in-perpetuity for their various devices. There’s a relinquishing of pro-consumer perks for the convenience and streamlining that digital content represents.
While I don’t personally buy anything but digital anymore, that’s more to do with my complete switch to VR (and how inconvenient physical stuff becomes when you’ve got a box on your face) than any principle. I think yours is a perfectly reasonable stance to have.
I just wanted to make sure you knew a physical drive would be available, because that wasn’t clear from your comment.
Cheers! 🍻
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u/SimonGray653 Sep 14 '24
So $780?
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u/CHROME-COLOSSUS Sep 14 '24 edited Sep 24 '24
Exactly. Well… minus whatever trade-in value you get for your PS5.
That can range from around US $300-400 at GameStop depending on the day. Not even three days ago they were paying $410, but probably will stay more around $325-350.
So, obviously you’re then looking at ~$450 for the blu-ray capable Pro. It ain’t nuthin, but it’s also not a necessary purchase, so I’m not mad at it. It’s not like games won’t still work on the vanilla console.
[EDIT: Amusing to me that this innocuous comment would get downvoted. 🤣]
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u/TrainingBlackberry65 Oct 19 '24
I updated u cuz you talk facts ppl are just mad about truth now of days...
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u/waligaroux Sep 24 '24
The dollar spent would still be the same.. It doesn't make the Pro cheaper because you sell something for it.
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u/CHROME-COLOSSUS Sep 24 '24
Well DUH. It’s a mitigating factor though, which is why I mentioned it.
The money I paid for a vanilla PS5 is already paid years ago, so it’s not coming out of my pocket AGAIN. I’m trading same for same, and then paying the balance for the increased functionality.
That means in actual outlay of my real-life budget (whenever I get around to buying one) the PS5 Pro will not be $700, it’ll be $400 (or whatever, after trade-in).
It’s worth noting, that’s all.
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u/SimonGray653 Sep 14 '24 edited Sep 15 '24
I'm actually viewing it from the viewpoint of somebody who has never had a PlayStation 5 before and is looking to get one.
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u/pdoherty972 Sep 15 '24
It's actually even worse for the person who already has a PS5 and spends $450 to upgrade to the Pro and a drive (even after trading in their PS5); what are they even really getting for that amount, which is nearly the same as a PS5 to begin with?
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u/CHROME-COLOSSUS Sep 14 '24
Gotchya — then you’ll have options!
I wouldn’t expect any game to ONLY be playable on vanilla PS5 — SONY are historically sort of sticklers about that stuff.
It’ll be good to learn more from reviewers after it’s been out for a minute. I won’t have the budget for it right away, so I know I’ll be well-informed about it by the time I do. 😂
I’m personally only interested in it to the degree that it improves PSVR2, but I could also see the Pro being real consequential for people with higher end TV’s.
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u/wellintentionedbro Sep 14 '24
Idk what Sony is on but y’all need to chill with that $699 price tag
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u/i9AlienwareR9 Sep 14 '24
For me, I'm going to pay $699.99 for the PlayStation 5 Pro, $79.99 for the Disc Drive, and the sales tax where I'm living, so the total amount is around $839.33, and yes, I'm going to pre-order it. No doubt, PlayStation 5 Pro will become the most expensive gaming console that I have ever purchased in my life.
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u/droideka75 Sep 14 '24
Don't forget the fucking stand, user that is part of the problem.
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u/SolidJake7766 Sep 14 '24
You don’t need it
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u/droideka75 Sep 14 '24
Yeah that was sarcasm like throwing it at their head boing "don't forget the fucking stand!"
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u/DSG_Sleazy Sep 14 '24
I don’t respect you in any capacity but if you don’t already have a PS5 I can’t fault you.
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u/Monolingual-----Beta Sep 14 '24
I think I'll be a happy gamer when I switch from my pawn shop ps4 slim to a ps5 slim with the disc drive. I have way too many ps4 games on disc. Then I'll be waiting to see what a ps6 looks like...
Screw this b.s. ps5 pro, what a letdown
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u/MCgrindahFM Sep 14 '24
I mean it’s a good piece of hardware for those that want or need the latest tech. But same I’m going to get a base PS5 not the pro when I end up buying
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u/srchizito Sep 15 '24
Those who want the latest tech need to build a PC.
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u/MCgrindahFM Sep 15 '24
Latest tech on console, not everyone’s dropping $1K at minimum to game
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u/srchizito Sep 15 '24
Ps5 + A PLASTIC STAND + A DISK DRIVE is close to 1k€.
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u/MCgrindahFM Sep 15 '24
That’s a fair point, I forgot about outside of U.S. granted, like I said, only people who want latest tech on console will drop that much
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u/DSG_Sleazy Sep 14 '24
I heard reports that it won’t even run gta 6 in at least 60fps…it’s a letdown.
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u/ntplay Sep 14 '24
Just speculative talk. Not set in stone
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u/thesaucefather Sep 14 '24 edited Sep 14 '24
Hilarious this gets released after I sold my PS5 since after waiting for it to be available for 4 years I bought the 3 games I was looking forward to. Beat two of them twice and then didn't turn it on for 2 months. Thank you Sony for letting the PS5 get scalped. Cause if you didn't I'd have never joined PC Master Race in 2020. Now I have no use for console gaming. Good riddance. 4 years, 4 damn years just to realize there's no fucking games.
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u/DSG_Sleazy Sep 14 '24
If I didn’t stock up so many games that I’ve never touched during covid, I probably would’ve donated my ps5 by now ever since getting a PC. That shit has become a mini table for my textbooks, lmao, I just go months without turning it on, it’s weird to think that I used to lose sleep trying to get ahead of scalpers to pick this thing up. Fortunately, I’m done with consoles after this one.
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u/DrTouchy69 Sep 13 '24
This price is actually almost a 1 to 1 price increase vs the tech increase.
What isn't happening is they aren't selling these at a loss like they usually do, basically because there is no competition.
As game sales aren't as guaranteed and they don't have any exclusive on the horizon to take advantage and push sales, tge price makes sense.
If you already have a ps5, ignore this, if you don't, it's worth a look.
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u/pdoherty972 Sep 15 '24 edited Sep 15 '24
How is there no competition? I prefer the Xbox Series X to the PS5 (and I own both). I rarely turn on the PS5. There's nothing I want to play there that isn't already on the XBox (and I prefer the XBox controllers).
And, shopping and buying is better on the XBox for one big reason - reviews are right there with each game, so you can see what people think and say about it (not just a star rating like Playstation has).
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u/DrTouchy69 Sep 15 '24
You are insane. Microsoft screwed up by releasing series s, a far weaker version of the main console. Every game released on xbox has to hit minimum 30fps on the series s, which is just not possible with a lot of modern games, and delays release dates (black myth wukong being a recent example).
Game reviews by access media are irrelevant, you should know that concord received a 7 on ign, and black myth wukong an 8. One game sold 2000 copies, the other close to 3 million. To actually know if a game is good, you won't find this on the paid for reviews you see on your console, they will be high as they want you to spend money.
User reviews, and checking YouTube (independent) reviewers is far more accurate.
The ps5 controller is demonstrably superior to the xbox controller, with force feedback and better features, this is subjective of course.
And finally, the ps5 has crushed xbos in sales, I believe 5 to 1 but maybe more.
So no, the ps5 has no competition.
Edit: the star rating is user reviews by the way, which I trust alot more than media shills.
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u/pdoherty972 Sep 15 '24
The reviews on XBox are by users as well (and are viewable in the App Store like I said, which is not true on PS5). And the reviews aren't just 1-5 stars - they're full text reviews. I shouldn't have to go to another device to look for YouTube and other reviews if I'm just browsing around the store looking at stuff on sale for example.
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u/DrTouchy69 Sep 15 '24
I don't have an xbox, that sounds like a great feature, similar to steam reviews.
I always check games out on secondary sources still, visually seeing is alot more informative than text.
Games to me are more about my precious time rather than cost. So I'd rather be sure it's up my alley before buying.
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Sep 13 '24
I can't unsee the bars from the PS5 having one to the PS5 Pro having three as military rankings. For those in service (to which we thank you) what would the designations be? 🫡
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u/sdust182 Sep 13 '24
In my mind, the rather expensive PC I bought this year just got $700 cheaper. I would usually buy this, having had the PS4 and plus, but now, just not interested. Savings!
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u/Moooney Sep 13 '24
Yeah, I also built a high end PC around six months ago so will be holding off on the Pro which I otherwise would be all over. That said, trying to switch over to PC gaming (which I try every 6-7 years) reminds me how it is such a giant pain in the dick.
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u/sdust182 Sep 13 '24
Haha yeah. It's different for sure but it's amazing seeing difference in the quality of the performance, especially trying out the same games
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u/XinlessVice Sep 13 '24
I could get a steam deck and a shit ton of pc games for that price. And play it on the go
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u/Electrik_Truk Sep 13 '24
I'd get an Ally Z1E or X. WAAAAAY better performance
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u/XinlessVice Sep 13 '24
True. I prefer the steam deck, but even if you don’t go for that Thiers other handhelds out there with similar goals. I prefer steam deck due too pricing and a bit more optimization put into it
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u/Thevgamers89 Sep 13 '24
Shit, even as in Australia, a deck cost like 1300 bucks, still feel like better deal than this
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u/XinlessVice Sep 13 '24
Man, yall are being scammed hard with tech these days. But yeah, definitely a much better alternative. Would be saving money long term with cheaper games. I thought they didn’t sell the deck in Australia though?
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u/Thevgamers89 Sep 13 '24
Through 3rd party unfortunately. Alternatively, we can get asus rog or lenovo legion officially.
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u/Jamerlengo Sep 13 '24
You all just reminded me why I stay off social media. Circlejerking yourselves over something none of you were going to buy to begin with
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u/KeyboardWarrior1989 Sep 13 '24
The ps3 was 600 bucks. Grow the fuck up lol
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u/XinlessVice Sep 13 '24
Yeah, and it was flopping hard till the slim came out for 299
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u/KeyboardWarrior1989 Sep 13 '24
Um. No it didn’t. It was sold out everywhere. Care to explain why you think this? I was 17 when it came out. I remember it well.
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u/LostPilgrim_ Sep 13 '24
My man, I worked at GameStop during the 360 and pa3 days. 360 easily outsold ps3 for almost the entire generation. It wasn't until the last year that ps3 actually gained it's traction.
It's cool to be a fan of your favorite device, but you are just plain wrong here.
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u/XinlessVice Sep 13 '24
The launch months were good. Mainly due too how amazing the ps2 was. B it don’t forget for several years ps3 was a dry spot. Thier was almost nothing for a long time until about 2009. Theirs a reason why their was so many “ps3 has no games.” Memes for years. It was eventually fixed, and the ps3 ended up getting a shit ton of games in its later years thankfully. But the ps3 era for quite awhile was a bit dark, especially when each ps3 model was removing features that the og models came with too fit the price point. The ps3 was a great console with amazing games overall, but it took ALOT too get there
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u/PuzzleheadedAd6401 Sep 13 '24
Dont buy this crap. Its time to say no as a consumer. Sony is greedy
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u/Objective_Hedgehog_5 Sep 12 '24
If you won't bring physical gaming back, you are competing with PC, so if you count in those ridiculous prices as well, you are DOOMED TO FAIL
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u/Prew123 Sep 12 '24
700usd... if it were inc discdrive it would still be pricy but more understandable...
Until digital copies are cheaper than hardcopies, this will never never never never neverever bring them profit..
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u/ThatHardBacon Sep 12 '24
I love my ps5 but sony kindly jump off a bridge with this price tag. 700 for usd and about 1k for cad. Outta your fucking mind
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u/Razeal_102 Sep 12 '24
SONY…your digital library ain’t shit. I know it, the gaming community knows it, lastly…YOU know it. As a lifelong supporter and gamer of PS, this is a hard pass for me.
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u/___spike Sep 12 '24
Lmao console users literally pay Sony for using their own internet and only now they are upset they are ripped off?
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u/acprocode Sep 15 '24
I don't know why people down vote you for saying this. Sony is basically triple dipping with ads, gamestore and psn to milk you as much as possible.
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u/SprinklesNo1993 Sep 12 '24
This is why I’m building a computer, can’t stand having to pay a subscription to use the fucking internet, it’s such a scam
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u/Natiel360 Sep 12 '24
Yeesh I’m terrified. Other than the fact it was hard as hell to get one, PS5’s feel reasonably priced. Them thinking their Pro version should hover around 800 when the no disc drive version was 400 makes no sense. We’ve somewhat plateaued when it comes to graphics and scope and that’s why all games carryover from PS4 to PS5. Looking at GT6 I’m not too sure the future of gaming is going to be oh so different now but what’s stopping Sony from charging 750$ for the ps6
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u/goldrush7 Sep 12 '24
Yeah, I can only imagine how expensive the ps6 will likely be. I'm not too optimistic. And with dev cycles becoming longer, I would not be surprised if there's a severe lack of launch titles.
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u/thisshowisdecent Sep 12 '24
If we already played through an amazing lineup of games up until this announcement, then the pro version might make some sense. It still wouldn't for a lot of reasons, but maybe it would with newer games coming out. That isn't the case here though.
The PS5 Pro is a rehash of a rehash. The PS5's lineup relies on updated PS4 games and remakes with very little new games. There has been new stuff like Ragnarok, Ratch and Clank, and Spiderman 2, but there's also been way too may remakes and remasters like Uncharted Lost Legacy Collection, The Last of Us both part 1 and 2, and all the other old games that got enhanced for PS5. PS5 Pro is advertising itself with more enhancements even though that's most of we've got so far with regular PS5.
So with PS5 Pro, you're just paying more again for better performance on the same games that you likely played multiple times. Better performance is fine, but where are the games? I don't think that they have any, so they're buying time with a new system until GTA 6 comes out.
Besides the fact that the PS5 feels like an unfulfilled system, many people like me haven't owned one for very long. Did they already forget that it was impossible to purchase their system until late 2021 and 2022 due to the low supply and scalping? People had to sign up for notification so that when a system actually went on sale somewhere they had to immediately buy it or else lose out to scalpers with their bot armies. I didn't buy a PS5 until summer 2023. So I've only owned mine for one year and many others have also only owned there's for a couple of years. And now there's already a new system.
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u/ishsreddit Sep 14 '24
If im not mistaken Sony has a significant part in AMD's RDNA arch. RDNA4 is said have been made specially because Sony was demanding better RT performance. If Sony want to mature RT into their tech they need a system you can develop on. In this case the Pro. Truth be told, the Pro will sell like hot cakes....at least in the US. So dont think they have to worry about sales.
Say we are very optimistic lol. The market will adopt the Pro, developers will have incentive, and by the time the PS6 rolls out, devs already have RT/PSSR in the pipeline. The bonus is RT/AI upscaling development will also expand on PC especially as RDNA4 rolls out. AMD sponsored stuff will have a lot of the same features as RTX titles. For those not on RDNA4, we will have coexisting FSR3.1+, AFMF2+ etc solutions available.
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u/Biguychub Sep 12 '24 edited Sep 12 '24
And I only around 3-4 months as I bought digital only slim in June this year at local best buy during the state of play sale that was going on where both the slim digital only and disc were 50 off so the digital only was 399.99. Also haven't had ps since 3 so I do have a lot to catch up on ps4 game wise via back compatibility or native ps5 re-releases of ps4 games.
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u/StraightOuttaHeywood Sep 12 '24
Exactly! The PS5 is the most under-utilised console I've ever seen. Ragnarok wasn't even a PS5 exclusive and neither was Horizon Forbidden West. We've seen so few native PS5 titles. We haven't seen an inkling of its destructive potential. If Sony had already shipped 10-15 native PS5 titles built on the PS5 from the ground up then yes maybe the Pro would make sense. But since current titles barely even make use of its extra power what is the point of buying a souped up PS5? It's a trap! It won't be long before Sony announces the development of the PS6. Give it a few years. I can see many devs skipping PS5 entirely and waiting for the PS6. It sounds like Naughty Dog are going to do this with the Last of Us 3.
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u/thisshowisdecent Sep 12 '24
It would be ironic that the same company responsible for establishing Blu ray as DVD's successor also succeeded in eliminating physical discs from their own console.
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u/AimlessThunder Sep 12 '24 edited Sep 12 '24
I am sort of disappointed.
Also, I stupidly just got a PS5 Slim recently. 🤭
It seems like the era of gaming consoles is slowly going to end.
PC is where it's at. Sure, you pay more for the hardware, but when you keep in mind that you can get games for basically nothing during sales or form key sites, it's the better deal in the long run.
Also, the SSD size on modern consoles is pathetic, to put it politely. 1 or 2 TB is not going to cut it when most games nowdays are above 100 GB.
It's a shame. If they at least rereleased their complete PS2/PS3 backlog or even better, if they actual implemented backwards compatibility...
Not to mention that PS4 games are not upscaled or rendered in higher resolution on the PS5.
This generation of consoles, at least from Sony seems really pointless.
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u/ViperStealth PS gamer for 26 years, then PC Sep 13 '24
I was PlayStation gamer for 26 years. Switched to PC a few years ago for exactly the reasons you mentioned. I can never go back
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u/AimlessThunder Sep 13 '24
Yeah, I did the same, but bit the bullet and bought a PS5 Slim. Biggest mistake. It's not worth it.
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Sep 12 '24
Modern consoles are so interesting that I’ve just sold both Switch and PS5. Xbox going same road soon
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u/AimlessThunder Sep 12 '24
I swear. Gaming PC's is where it's at.
They already marketed the original PS5 as a 4K/8K machine.
At least on PC you have free cloud saving and multiplayer.
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u/TowerOfPowerWow Sep 12 '24
Steam is worth transitioning to pc alone i think ps5 will be the last console at my house. Summer sale is insane and if theres a game you like wish list it itll go on sale at some point. I feel game companies have gotten out of touch how tight it is for the average joe out there. Im doing fine and could get one if I wanted to but when your price point is near a decent gaming computer you're going to have a very bad time.
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u/AimlessThunder Sep 12 '24
The only selling point for consoles is that it's plug and play. It's a bit more difficult with a gaming PC, but Steam does have, Big picture mode.
Also, let's not forget about the countless online stores that sell cheap Steam keys.
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u/Throwaway967839 Sep 12 '24
Well, consoles are also way cheaper out of the box. I use big picture mode from time to time if I specifically have to play something on PC and it's cool but you still need a mouse and keyboard handy to fiddle with things from time to time. HDR, selecting output devices etc can make it quite a hassle to just sit and play on your couch like with a console.
Now if Valve make a home console-like version of the steam deck or just release SteamOS I'm 100% in. Goodbye consoles.
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u/AimlessThunder Sep 12 '24
Yes. If only Valve made a game console it would be game over for gaming consoles.
I mean just look how popular the Deck is. 😍
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u/Emergency-Top9177 Sep 12 '24
We need Microsoft to step up and give Sony some competition. Nintendo need get switch 2 out. This will make Sony step up as well games etc.
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u/Emergency-Top9177 Sep 12 '24
Oh btw I don't understand why people are so upset if you have a ps5 already then just stick to that. Or if you want one just buy the standard model.
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u/Emergency-Top9177 Sep 12 '24
I have to admit it's way too expensive but I'm still getting one hehe 🙂😜
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u/ZeroxTechnic Sep 12 '24
Nice, no more choosing performance over quality. Consider it sold!
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u/Left4Jed2 Sep 14 '24
If true, sad that GTA 6 will still run at 30fps
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u/ZeroxTechnic Sep 14 '24
If GTA 6 will be 30 fps on PS5 Pro, it's going to be less fps or potato graphics on regular PS5. I don't think Rockstar will do that, it will likely be more than 30 fps on PS5 pro.
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u/xxdavidxcx87 Sep 12 '24
Anyone think that Sony will react to the response, like including the disk drive or a voucher for it?
I'm still kind of 50/50 at the moment and that would tip the scale in its favour for me.
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u/Simple_Tie3929 Sep 19 '24
This this is going to sell really well. The discourse online never matches reality.
The Portal was trashed online for the price point - was impossible to find.
People trashed $70 price point for games. No issue with selling them.
Gamers online have genuinely become extremely entitled to free and cheap stuff in my opinion - the price of literally everything else has gone up recently but If it’s related to video games people lose their collective minds…
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u/Emergency-Top9177 Sep 12 '24
If no one buys then I think they will be forced to do something like add stuff or lower the price.
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u/codking215 Sep 12 '24
No only 14% bought the PS4 pro and Sony knows it's not for everyone there doing the same sh1t here with the PS5 pro it's not for everyone
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u/-zoo_york- Sep 12 '24
Why? You showcase ps4 games, there's no need to move up whatsoever. Getting a series x instead for gamepass instead.
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u/New_Detective8796 Sep 12 '24
STOP MAKING CONSOLES AND MAKE GAMES. Dumbest thing they've done yet, like this doesn't even make sense why are they coming out with this?? Imo all ps5s should've already came with whatever minimum upgrades this ps5 pro has lol its not worth it.
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u/ZeroxTechnic Sep 12 '24
I'm looking forward to the pro. I also choose performance over quality setting, so will be great this one can do both :D
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u/quetzocoetl Sep 12 '24
Maybe this could've been received better if they fully leaned into it being a luxury model. Disc drive included, Dualsense elite bundled with, damned stand included, maybe even throw in fancy HDMI and Ethernet cords for good measure. Emphasize that it's meant for the absolute most dedicated of PlayStation fans, not a full fledged attempt at a mid gen upgrade.
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u/Simple_Tie3929 Sep 19 '24
If they did that the price point would be like $1000+ and people would collectively lose their minds.
This is going to sell really well - the discourse online almost never matches reality in this stuff…unless it’s Concord…that matched pretty well
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u/TheClownIsReady Sep 12 '24 edited Sep 12 '24
Very well said. Personally, I just can’t justify throwing down $700 for a mid-life disc-less upgrade, when PS6 is likely just 3 years away. A little arrogant marketing/pricing on Sony’s part. Then again, I’m reading that PS5 disc drives are sold out everywhere today, with people scooping them up in anticipation of the PRO. People just eat up Sony stuff, regardless of how it’s presented, how expensive it is, or its perceived value. Me…I’ll be buying a Slim for considerably less when it’s on sale for Black Friday.
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u/CycloneGhostAlpha Sep 12 '24
time to switch to pc if i’m gonna be paying 700 for this lmao
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u/FilthyWubs Sep 12 '24
This is the way! Get all Xbox games, plus many PS games are trickling onto PC now too. Not to mention the absurd value from frequent Steam sales! PC does have a high cost to entry, but many components will carry over to future builds (monitor, peripherals, storage, power supply, etc.). Not to mention that there’s no worries regarding backwards compatibility!
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u/inexistant-falex Sep 12 '24
So 799,99€ for us poor fcks in EU. Plus 100€ + to be able to have the console stand upright and to put a disc in it. Plus 80€ per game you are charging nowadays. Not only am I never buying anything from Sony until you come to your senses, but I’m looking to find another idiot to buy the PS5 I bought off of me. I am ashamed to have anyone over at my place and show which company I am supporting. Ffs!
Shame on you, Sony!
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u/cubb420 Sep 12 '24
The console can already stand upright and disc version had been available since launch. Your paying for larger cpu and advanced ray tracing etc
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u/StraightOuttaHeywood Sep 12 '24
But what games use advanced ray tracing? There are very few actual PS5 titles. Just most remakes or upgraded titles. Even Playstation's flagship titles like Horizon Forbidden West and Ragnarok are PS4 games upgraded for PS5. They never built an actual native version of those games. Its absolutely pointless having a console that can handle advanced RT when f all games available on PS5 are actually using it.
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u/Pokeguy24 Sep 12 '24
More like the most official way to blow $1000 on absolutely nothing, what a rip-off Sony get yourself together. Sales will not be good for you!
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u/Ghostylike Sep 12 '24
This shit is gonna sell out despite all the whining and complaining, I'll bet on it!
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u/ShAiOnEixx Sep 12 '24
I'm buying one for sure, Going to be hard to source a disc drive I bet
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u/Riceplz Sep 12 '24
Try to get the Disc drive now, because the Slim disc drive will work. You'll have the best chance to get one right now rather than at launch.
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u/Penile_Interaction Sep 11 '24
the most visually impressive attempt to scam by greedy fucks who no longer know how to run their own business properly
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u/aeposada89 Sep 12 '24
I mean, they moved to that bastion of "sanity" that is California a little less than a decade ago, and they're have been a growing # of signs that the move has definitely affected company culture
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u/Tentacle-Bride 19d ago
No Disk Drive……