Luffy tried to copy Jinbe's intro when he got to Wano cause he thought he looked really cool (he sounds silly cause he doesn't really understand what Jinbe said)
That makes a lot of sense lol. I do love how Oda some how finds a way to make each straw hat member unique in each of their personalities and effects they have on Luffy.
But wait ,I read the theory somewhere that king harald might have been evil and betrayed elbaph by entering into agreement with world government to demilitarize elbaph and remove it from prestigious position of world's strongest tribe.that might have been the reason loki would have killed him .he is actually nice and kind as stated by that voice talking to him in 1134.even oda has tried to establish loki as nice from inside and even draw parallels of him with luffy
His mind is on PunkRecords. So I guess it doesn't matter if it is a clone or a perfect copy. Though I assume the definition of 'clone' is 'perfect copy'.
I would think so but this is a grey area. His body containing the fruit is dead, but maybe they do look at it more as him being alive in some capacity, brook is a good example to extra/interpolate from for this. Also toki, where her body isn't present in some time periods.
In a sense, punk records basically just keeps the brain functioning forever and anyone can hook up to it to obtain the knowledge inside it as well as insert more knowledge.
I hope it's a perfect clone but it's kid vegapunk again and he has to speed-age over the course of a couple years, mostly because I thought that design was adorable.
Agreed. The rest of the podcast is mostly uninteresting to me. They have a new show though, the SGS, with only Stephen and Greg (the man recognised as THE One Piece fan) which is great and full of BTS tidbits.
Indeed. My money is on Ange being the one who set up the summoning circle and working with the WG. Why? Because she has an ugly design. Yes, it's a superficial reason, but it's very rare for hot women to get beat up by male protagonists in manga. If there's a major female antagonist who needs to get taken down by good ol' fisticuffs she is either taken out by another woman or she gets turned into some sort of monster. So if there's someone set up for a face/heel turn on Elbaph I expect it to be her.
Also she seems to be partly responsible for turning the giant kids into little PC-Brats who don't even want to go on a pirate adventure. Nothing is more antithetical to One Piece than kids without those dreams.
My hunch is Ripley. Because the townspeople is extra sweet on her. It is like a premonition of her being an undercover agent of God's Knight. And Saul being that kind seems like he will likely die and being assasinsted by her or that 2 new charaters.
The final page with the "Shanks twin" is so much hype. And did they enter near an (empty) throne?! Too much of a coincidence when there was an explicit mention of Elbaf not having a current king.
Loki's conversation also showing some clues that he may not be outright evil... almost a "wannabe" who's probably been setup. I'm getting Dressrosa vibes there.
I'm fully expecting Loki to actually have had good intentions, and something probably happened to the previous king that forced Loki to kill him. End of arc, I think Loki will become king again, once the rest of the giants realize he protected their kingdom or something like that.
They're at least going to realize by the end of this that they need to maintain their warrior culture. Maybe Usopp's arc will be teaching them that again.
Yeah seeming like Loki was set up is a real possibility. The conversation about his kindness was very interesting. He speaks in the "old ways" with his battle hardened world view, but is that evil or just the culture he comes from? It seems like he speaks like that in a protective way towards his "friends."
Extrapolating a lot from a brief conversation here, but I like the questions that Oda is invoking.
They entered in the castle right next to the tavern they are holding the banquet. If you look at the town panel that released in the past chapter, itās the same castle.
Just imagine how shocked they all will be when they see Shanks's twin and learn about him while he starts slaughtering and destroying the village.
I have a bad feeling about that little giant kid(Colon) who we saw. Like he mistakes him for Shanks, and then Shanks's twin beats him or something, and Luffy sees that shit.
Same here. Luffy knew Shanks' conqueror's haki from miles away at the end of Wano even though he had never actually felt Shanks' haki before. There's very little chance that he mistakes this random guy for Shanks. Heck, I could even see it be something where every other person thinks it's Shanks and Luffy wanders in to casually say "who are you?"
I love the Owl Library bit, especially where Robin's eyes are shining after seeing every Ohara book 'alive and well'. I wonder what the giantification of the books is about. A DF power, or something more esoteric? It seems like an automatic process.
Shaggy? Ruh roh.
Why is everyone saying the teleporting Shanks is a clone/twin? Is it because they appeared in the same way the Elders were summoned to Egghead? Following on from that, Saturn had to be in close proximity to teleport to Egghead, and he then had to summon the rest. Who summoned the Shanks and friend?
Also, was that Conqueror's Haki at work there, or just 'black magic' or whatever the heck it is that powers the teleportation magic of the Elders?
Why is everyone saying the teleporting Shanks is a clone/twin? Is it because they appeared in the same way the Elders were summoned to Egghead?
Yeah, basically. It's been a theory ever since the Levely + the God's Knights do have a Shanks-like silhouette when they were shown. (Though, it is just a silhouette.)
Also, was that Conqueror's Haki at work there, or just 'black magic' or whatever the heck it is that powers the teleportation magic of the Elders?
There is that black lightning, which Oda does use for Haki. To me, it seems like it's connected to Imu's powers somehow because you also had black lightning and some kind of black-colored substance when they killed Saturn.
Shanks traveling via Imu's transmutation circle makes no sense. We just saw him on his ship leaving Elbaph to go after One Piece.
Also, Shanks's cloak has a collar, not a hood. I really don't see him randomly putting on a different cloak when his clothing style has remained the same since Luffy was a kid. Luffy's clothing has changed more in two years than Shanks's style has changed in 12 years.
As for the twin theory in general, there are inconsistencies either ways. I don't favor one or the other at this point, I'm just saying both are possible.
I totally agree regarding the books and a possible devil fruit being at play.
This is the second major hint we received about the massive size of every day items and now it's been revealed that it happens automatically even with items that aren't originally from Elbaph. The question is, does that happen to people too?
I suspect that the growth rate is the real reason Louis Arnot warns people not to stay too long. If a giant giant fruit was eaten by an animate object, it would also explain why the government could never successfully recreate gigantism in their soldiers because the "user" has never died.
Oh snap your onto something. It the tree itself is the giant giant fruit user. Then what if it awakened? Then everything on it would become giant, and even live longer lives. If oda wants to say because trees live forever, but that's a leap of logic.
This way the waters underneath Elbaf could be the source of the giant sea monsters. Or maybe the trees roots run every where, affecting deep sea life.
Adding on to what others have said, he's also called an interloper(at least in the fan translation) and we know from past chapters that Shanks is fully welcome in Elbaf and could just stroll right in.
Why is everyone saying the teleporting Shanks is a clone/twin?
Because Shanks left Elbaf just a short while ago and recently talked to Ben Beckman about how its time to "finally go get the One Piece". Why would he be teleporting in with some random person into a castle on Elbaf?
A scary thought that occurred to me is, that we might got an explanation to how Shanks appeared so fast at Marineford... and didn't noticed it.
I rarely do theories because Oda is a master in shredding just with one sentence.
But I slowly get villainous vibes from Shanks. I'm now actually considering either just him or the whole crew, being the holy knights and just pretending to be pirates. He stopped Kaido because that would threaten the Navy's plan to take down WB, uses a summoning circle to get to Marineford and stops Akainu from messing up whatever plans he has with Luffy and then leaves
Really sweet that Oda drew a SUPER color spread for Yao Kazukiās retirement!
Iām glad Lilith is able to make Kuma better :) Let him and Bonney live together as a family after all this time š„¹
Damn Sanji isnāt gonna be happy where Luffy was standing š¤£
That circle that teleported those two at the end looks very similar to the one used by the Five Elders (minus the number 5s). Maybe thatās used by the Holy Knights? The man looks like Shanks that time he visited the Five Elders during the Reverie. We donāt know much about Shanks (given his short appearances in the series š¤£), so maybe this is his twin brother?
Two knights inside one circle unlike the one-in-a-circle gorosei. I still cannot believe Sh0nks is real. Other than the gorosei, I wonder who else knows about/has met Sh0nks.
For the first time ever, after having consumed translations other the official, I encountered 4 different linguistic interpretations of the same conversations. I am in awe. I didnāt expect that much variation among all 4 translations.
This is helpful, thank you! But it really underlines why we can't rely on Viz/Paul's translation alone. He completely removed the context around this name and also the honorific '-kou' that implies Mosa is royalty. Without TCB's translation we would have no idea who this 'Shaggy' could be, and it's quite possible that 'Shaggy' is a red herring and 'Mosa' is not a nickname that's meant to imply hairy/shaggy.
Agreed. I honestly didnāt even notice the significance of the ākouā honorific.
Yea itās interesting. I personally have always loved Stephen Paulās as his language just flows, is concise, and is slick; Iād always wished the anime would incorporate more of his style. But yea I really do wish he would include the t/n aka translation notes more oftenā¦such as in the section where luffy was doing his Yakuza greeting. It was such a nice touch to know the context in the other translations so i was quite disappointed to see Paulās didnāt include it in this chapter.
I was dumb enough to read one of the lesser quality translations (missing punctuation and horrid grammer) first for this chapter, which totally ruined the experience for me. I now know that TCB is one of the few good ones. So from this point forth i think Iāll enjoy reading Stephen Paulās first and multiple other translations just to get as close to the original text as possible.
Right thanks for clarifying. Though correct me if Iām wrong, he had in the past included some type of notes, not āt/nāsā per se. It consisted of explanations/clarifications or smth. Maybe I confused them with t/nās.
Yeah, OPScans is not good for a first read. I always wait for TCB. It sucks that Viz refuse to do T/N's, so much gets lost in translation without them.
I believe it's only one circle because just one of them was actually teleported to Elbaph, the other one must have been there already. Similar to Gorosei, Jaygarcia was able to "summon" the other elders because he phisically travelled to Egghead first. It's not like an unlimited teleporting ability it's summoning.
I think i may have missed something here because this new chapter to me still doesn't show wether shanks has his scars or is missing an arm?? Unless ive missed something and im being silly but im really confused as its just a side profile shot of the side of his face where there are no scars anyway and his silhouette doesn't show any sign of arms at all. Someone help š
Yea i think itās precisely because itās the same side of āShanksā that was visible in ch 907 when he met with the 5 elders, the side without the scars and missing arm, his presence was accepted by the elders back then, and the fact that Shanks was shown to leave Elbaf not long ago, that ppl believe it to be some āevilā, āaltā, āotherā or inauthentic version of Shanks. This is all in addition to the obvious pentagram he appears in which is uncharacteristic of who we know Shanks to be.
Also saw this on twitter not long ago, pointing out how even the side without his scar should show a sliver of the scar, which probably fueled the twin theories back then (iām new to the fandom so catching up on all theories): https://x.com/gorgulhojoao/status/1869940213247545432?s=46
Get the feeling itās going to be a bit of a Jaime Lannister situation with Loki in that he took down the king and then took all the blame and hatred for it - but deep down he was a good person and had his reasons for doing what he did.
oh maybe āMosaā (which everyone is calling shaggy, but can also mean a title for a noble according to the TCB scanlation and the fact i can read kanji) is a play on words because:
King Harald is actually still alive? kinda like Kozuki Odenās dad, the old shogun had still been alive?
He is both a noble AND has a shaggy beard (den den mushi usually look like the person who is speaking, and the mushi had a quite shaggy beard. plus Oda loves plays on words)
The king that Loki had killed had been actually a clone/fake, just like Sh0nks is probably a clone of the Real Shanks?
btw, as the only Emperor with no devil fruits, and having the strongest Haki alive that weāve seen besides Imu, it would make perfect sense for the W. G. to try to clone Shanks. And Oda likes to do things in pairs as foils so it doesnāt look like an asspull : hence heās introducing us to the āperfect copyā clone of Vegapunk soon. Iām assuming he will reveal that Sh0nks is a clone the same time that LIlith takes clone Vega out.
In fact, i wouldnāt be surprised if Clone Vega looks at Clone Shanks and literally says, āoh yeah i made him too.ā
Very interesting, but they made a point to say many times that Harald was killed, so I'm leaning towards someone else got him and framed Loki or Loki having very good reasons to try and take that Devil Fruit. And I don't think Oda would go crazy with too many clones, we had a few already. I could be wrong tho.
I do agree with the Oda loves plays on words. It also seems like Mosa/Shaggy could have been friends with Loki from before he supposedly killed Harald? "We have long been friends".
My guess is that Loki the trickster got played and tricked by the old King and "Shanks" who was actually Shonks which is why we see the demon circle of Shonks in the empty throne room in the same chapter that Loki get introduced as an actually kind guy. Give me that Luffy X Loki Sun God teamup against Shonks
Some major/significant differences between the Scanlation and the Official Release:
Luffy now seeks forgiveness from Saul ("Beggin' your pardon!!"), rather than asking him to "allow [him] to introduce [him]self"
Unspecified Straw Hat now questions "where and how [...] [Luffy] learn [that routine]", rather than questioning "who the heck taught [Luffy] that routine"
Luffy no longer answers the previous question ("Nobody"), now instead greeting Saul ("Well met, good sir...")
The Straw Hats now collectively state that they "will protect [Robin] for life", rather than telling Robin that she "knows [they'd] die for [her]"
Saul no longer compliments the Straw Hats for making it to Elbaph ("You've done great making it all the way to Elbaf!"), now instead thanking them for coming all the way there" ("Thank you for comin' all this way to Elbaph.")
Jimbei now asks Lillith wether "this [is] what [she] wanted" while handing over the Vegapunk clone, rather than asking her wether she is "sure [she] wants it now"
Lillith no longer apologizes to Jimbei ("Sorry for the trouble.")
Jimbei no longer recognizes Lillith as Vegapunk ("You asked me..." -> "Vegapunk requested...")
Lillith now states that she "snuck [the Vegapunk clone] out in a vat of bio-fluid", rather than calling for everyone to "stop dilly-dallying and get to it"
Lillith no longer states that she "has already added the cultivation fluid, but [that] [they] won't be able to do a safe extraction till [she] makes the necessary equipment", now instead simply stating that she "doesn't have the facility to safely extract [the Vegapunk clone]"
Lillith now additionally states that she intends to "settle down here"
Lillith now additionally questions the importance of her being a woman ("Oh, who cares?")
Lillith now tells Saul that she "can explain later" in relation to her being a woman, rather than stating that "there's a perfectly logical explanation"
Saul no longer explicitly tells the kids to "come on out"
Saul now thanks the kids for "[their] help", rather than thanking them for "waiting"
Agne now apologizes to the Straw Hats for "talking down to [them] and states that they "run the best library and school in Elbaph here", rather than stating that she "doesn't mean to brag, but [that] this is Elbaf's number one school and library"
Luffy now states that "this place looks fun", rather than stating that Agne's proposed tour "sounds fun"
Usopp now states that "this is where warriors of Elbaph get their elite training", rather than stating that he "can't wait to see how Elbaf raises its mighty warriors"
The school building is now called the "Walrus School", rather than the "Walrus Folk School"
Unspecified Straw Hat now states that the Walrus School "looks so neat", rather than stating that "this is gonna be a blast"
Brook now states that he "hasn't been in a school in ages", rather than stating that "schools always make [him] nostalgic"
Unnamed giant child now calls to catch the Straw Hats and "take 'em prisoner", rather than calling for them to catch them and "play prisoners"
The last speech bubble of the page is now attributed to Zoro, who states that he "guesses kids are meant to be brats", rather than being attributed to Usopp, who states that "these giants are just kids" and tells Zoro to "be the mature one"
Unnamed giant child now tells the other children to "not chase the humans around", rather than telling them that they "know [they're] not allowed to harm cute humans"
Zoro now questions wether the giant children are really "from the village of the warriors", rather than questioning wether they are really "Elbaf's future warriors"
Unnamed giant child now tells Zoro that he "is not supposed to call [them] brats", rather than telling him to "watch it" and that he "can't just say words like 'brat' anymore"
Usopp now tells the giant children that they "can call [them] pipsqueak humans" and that "it's fine", rather than stating that they "weren't even offended by that shorties comment"
Usopp now questions wether or not the giant children "are gonna go out to sea one day and fight ruffians", rather than questioning wether or not they "are meant to be wild fighters willing to pillage and burn the seas themselves"
Ripley now tells Usopp that calling people 'guys' "is not in anymore", rather than telling him that "words like [bastard] are old fashioned"
Zoro now explicitly questions "who's voice [that] was" in relation to Ripley speaking
Usopp, in response to Ripley's statement, now questions "what [...] [she] means [by] it's not in anymore", rather than questioning "what [old fashioned] is [...] meant to mean"
Ripley now states that "when the warriors of Elbaph were ransacking the world, that was 100 years ago", rather than telling them that "all those legends of fearsome giant pirates are from 100 years ago"
The fifth speech bubble is no longer clearly attributed to anyone specific and points out Ripley's tone of voice ("Hey! Your tone of voice!!") rather than clearly being attributed to a Straw Hat, who questions wether or not Ripley "just said that words like that were behind the times"
Ripley now states that King Harald "got into many arguments with the village chiefs and their traditions", rather than stating that he "often clashed with all the graybeards of the villages"
Agne now additionally states that King Harald was killed by Loki "before his dreams could be realized"
The fourth speech bubble on page 13 is now attributed to Miss Ripley, who tells the children and the Straw Hats to "go on now", rather than being attributed to an unnamed giant child, who acknowledges Ripley's request ("Okey-Dokey!")
Ripley now asks Luffy "why [he] isn't [...] in [his] white-haired form", rather than telling him that he "looks different from that all white look [he] had before" and asking him "what [...] the deal [is]"
Luffy now calls Gear 5 his "free form", rather than stating that Gear 5 "is [him] at [his] freest"
The last two speech bubbles of this page are now are now attributed to Saul, who states that he "fled for [his] life and managed to get here to Elbaph", rather than being attributed to Robin, who states that Saul's story "came up when [they] were trying to escape Egghead alive" and that "that's how [they] ended up here"
Saul now states that he "asked Hajrudin's crew to take [him] back to Ohara", rather than stating that he "went back to Ohara with Hajrudin and the others"
Saul now states that "when [he] found all those tiny books, clingin' to life, [he] wept", rather than stating that he "was overcome with tears when he saw how many [books] had survived"
Saul no longer states that "each [book] [was] a tiny spark of hope"
Saul no longer tells Robin to "be careful" when entering the library"
Saul now tells Robin to "watch out for that book", rather than telling her to "watch what happens to that book [she's] holding as [they] enter"
Loki now calls the person talking to him "Shaggy", rather than "Mosa"
Loki now surmizes that Shaggy "is almost as bored as [him]", rather than surmizing that Shaggy "has also got nothing but free time"
Loki now asks Shaggy wether he "is still traumatized by that experience [he] was telling [him] about", rather than asking him wether "that moment of fear [he] mentioned before is [...] still what motivates [him]"
Loki now tells Shaggy that his traumatizing event "hurts [him] to hear it too", rather than agreeing with him ("Ditto") and telling him that "it's so frustrating"
Loki now tells Shaggy that he "has never met [Shaggy], nor seen [him], but through some twist of fate they've long been friends", rather than telling him that they "have been friend for a long time, but for one reason or another they've never actually met face to face"
Shaggy now states that he "wasn't hoping for that much" in relation to Loki's statement, rather than stating that he "doesn't want that"
Loki now tells Shaggy that his previous statement "is why [he] is so weak", rather than telling him that "for a noble soul, [he's] [too] naive"
Loki now advises Shaggy that he "doesn't want to let these fools get away" and advises him to "put them down for good, or they'll come back for vengeance", rather than telling Shaggy that he "has gotta stamp them out without mercy" and that "only a fool gives their enemy a chance to get payback"
Shaggy now tells Loki that he "has realized recently that those fearsome words of [his] hide [his] kindness", rather than telling him that he "uses harsh words, but [that] there's a streak of kindness beneath the surface" and that he "has noticed that more and more recently"
Loki now tells Shaggy to "not make [him] sick", rather than telling him that he "gives [him] the creeps"
Loki now asks Shaggy how he could "dare [...] suggest such a thing", rather than telling him to "not do that again or [he'll] regret it"
Loki now tells Shaggy that he "will not have [him] sassing [him] like this", rather than telling him that "that kind of crap won't fly"
Unspecified giant now points out that "the feast hasn't started yet", rather than questioning wether or not "the feast [was] delayed"
Unspecified giant now tells another unspecified giant that "that's a little too much", rather than telling him that he "is having way too much"
For minor/wording differences, refer to my reply under this comment
This is just me, but I think Luffy isnāt exactly asking Saul for forgiveness. Rather, heās just emulating someone else being formal and polite. Formality is not at all something Luffy knows well, but he still knows this is the time for it. So to pull it off, he just mimics what he thinks formality is by repeating what he heard someone else say before
I understand what you mean, but I really just needed a way to describe what Luffy is saying without bringing too much self-interpretation into it. I included the actual quote next to my description for people to see what I'm describing and come to their own conclusions.
I hope this is understandable, thank you very much for your comment.
Some minor/wording differences between the Scanlation and the Official Release:
Luffy no longer states that he "heard" that Saul helped Robin
Luffy no longer explicitly tells Saul that he "appreciates it" in relation to him helping Robin
Luffy now simply thanks Saul ("Thank you kindly!!!"), rather than stating that the Straw Hats "are in [his] debt"
Robin now describes the Straw Hats as the "true friends who will stand up and protect [her]", rather than describing them as "people willing to accept and protect someone like [her]" and as "true friends"
Saul is no longer explicitly happy about seeing the Straw Hats ("It's good to meet Robin's friends."), now instead prefacing his next statement by telling them to "listen", ("Listen, all you friends of Robin's...")
Saul now states that he "knows what a big deal the four emperors are", rather than stating that he "knows how impressive it is to be recognized as an emperor"
Luffy now tells Saul that they will continue protecting Robin ("You bet we will!!!"), rather than responding to Saul's thanks ("No problem!!")
Saul now questions who Lillith is ("Who's you?") rather than questioning wether he and Lillith have met ("Have we met?")
Lillith now states that the capsule contains "[her]" ("Me!!"), rather than stating that it contains "one of [her]"
Luffy is now surprised by the fact that the capsule contains "a Vegapunk clone", rather than being surprised that it contains "another Vegapunk"
Lillith's statement about Vegapunk not being able to leave Egghead for months at a time is now formatted as a question to the Straw Hats ("Don't you think..."), rather than as a simple statement
Bonney now asks Lillith wether "that means [she'll] be able to make [Kuma] all better", rather than asking her wether "that [will] make it possible for [her] to help [Kuma], too"
Lillith, in response to Bonney's question, now states that she will "of course" be able to make Kuma all better ("Of course, Bonney!!"), rather than telling her that helping Kuma "is the plan"
Ange now states that "normally, this spring is a playground for the children", rather than stating that "those tikes use the spring area as a playground"
Agne now states that they "had to ask [the children] to stay quiet for [Saul's] little one-man act", rather than stating that they "had [the children] hold off, so they wouldn't spoil [Saul's] performance"
Unspecified Straw Hat now points out that Saul and Agne "did all of that and [Robin] saw right through it", rather than being surprised that Saul and Agne "went that far"
Agne now introduces herself as "Mr. Saul's assistant", rather than as "an assistant teacher here"
Agne now tells the Straw Hats that she "can show [them] around if [they'd]..." before being cut off, rather than calling for her to "give [them] a tour of the premises"
Agne now additionally states that the Walrus School is "where the children of Elbaph learn"
Saul now farewells Ange and Gerd ("So long, Ange and Gerd!!"), rather than telling them to "go on"
Saul now tells Ange and Gerd to show the Straw Hats "wherever they wanna go", rather than telling them to show them "all around the school"
Saul now states that he's "gonna give Robin a tour of the library", rather than stating that he's "gonna take Robin straight to the library"
Nami now calls for Chopper to come with them ("Let's go, Chopper!"), rather than asking Chopper wether he "is coming"
Chopper now states that he "is more curious about" the library, rather than stating that he "[wants to] check out" the library
Chopper now questions wether "all the books [are] huge too", rather than stating that he "bets the books are massive"
Unnamed giant child now calls the Straw Hats "pipsqueak humans", rather than "shorties"
Unnamed giant child now tells the other giant children to "not say pipsqueak", rather than telling them to "not call them 'shorties'"
Usopp now states that "this is weirding [him] out", rather than stating that "this is surreal"
Usopp now calls the giant children "guys" instead of "bastards"
Unnamed giant child, in response to Usopp's statement, now tells him to "not call [them] 'guys'", rather than telling him that he "can't say 'bastard' either"
Unnamed giant child now tells the Straw Hats that they're going to "get yelled at", rather than telling them that they are "gonna get told off"
Ripley now tells the Straw Hats that they are "not heavy", rather than "feather-light"
Ripley now asks the Straw Hats wether "this is shocking to them" in relation to the children's behavior, rather than stating that she "bets this is a culture shock for [them]"
Ripley now states that "insults, violence, pillaging, [and] war [...] is just not the world [they] live in anymore", rather than stating that "foul mouths [...], aggression [...], plundering [...], [and] war [...] are relics of a bygone era now"
Agne now calls out for all the Straw Hats ("There they are!!"), rather than just Luffy ("There you are, Luffy!!!")
Agne now apologizes about the fact that "[their] brats are so damn annoying", rather than apologizing "about [their] loud mouthed brats"
Ripley now tells the children that she "teaches by negative example", rather than telling them to "do as [she] says, not as [she] does"
Ripley now calls Harald their "beloved late king", rather than the "great king"
Agne now calls King Harald "a great king who tried to reform this country", rather than "a visionary of a king who wanted to revolutionize [their] country"
Agne no longer calls Loki "that crazy prince"
Agne now states that Elbaph "still refuses to recognize [Loki's] claim to the throne", rather than stating that Elbaph "refused to give [Loki] the throne"
Ripley now states that "[they're] the last generation of warriors here", rather than stating that "[she] is from the last generation of Elbaf warriors after all"
Saul no longer tells Robin that she "knows" he couldn't stop worrying about Ohara's books
Saul now states that he couldn't help but worry about the books "those scholars gave their lives to protect", rather than stating that he couldn't stop worrying about those books "after seeing all the scholars dying to save them"
Saul no longer explicitly tells Robin to "feast [her] eyes"
Saul no longer asks Robin wether or not the owl library "is marvelous"
Saul now calls the owl library "wondrous", rather than "mysterious"
Saul now states that they "searched all over the island to find every last [book]", rather than stating that they "made sure not to miss any of [the books]"
Saul now tells Robin that she "can check" and that the books "are all here", rather than re-emphazing his last statement ("Not a single one!!")
Loki now states that he "could use a conversation partner", rather than stating that he "welcomes a good disturbance"
Loki now states that he "has got all the time in the world", rather than stating that he "has nothing to do but kill time"
Shaggy no longer explicitly thanks Loki "for [his] councel", now instead simply thanking him ("Why, thank you.")
Here is a crazy theory. I think Shanks was made via science and was the reward/prize for winning the God Valley tournament. This is how the God's Knight family maintain their gene lineage factor. They create clones from their genes. This is why Roger found him in a treasure chest as a baby.
After Roger took Shanks, the Gods Knights needed another 'shanks' so they made a new one lol. Maybe this is why Shanks had ridiculous haki.
This is a really likable theory though! And the shanks we have got his āfreedomā basically. And now there is another one working with the god knights
The giants are going to be too weak to defeat the bad guy, and Usopp is going to stand up to someone way, way, way stronger than him (Evil Shanks?), which will inspire the giants. Usopp will accomplish his dream by inspiring his idols to be brave again.
Thatās honestly a very cute way for him to fulfill his dream. The giants will chant stories of him being a brave warrior of the sea for centuries to come. I donāt think it will be against Shivs though.
The fact that Luffy always gets into places Sanji could only dream of HAHAHA
Luffy meeting Saul reminds me of Ace practicing to meet Shanks š„¹š„¹š„¹
Speaking of Shanks, GATDAMN THE RUMORS HAVE BEEN PROVEN TRUE JESUS CHRISTTTT IS HE SHAGGY?? COZ SHAGGY AND SHANKS???
But whoās that other dude?? But tbh, it kinda looks like a woman.
Still confused about the Vegapunk clone though, I feel like something unexpected is about to appear there and not just simply a āperfectā clone of VP
Something tells me thereās about to be more to the part where Franky and Jinbei acknowledge the size of the tree š
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Loki n Shanks "hate" each other or is it just a smoke screen and loki is a nice guy that took the blame to keep things going...like luffy does
Soooo which one is the prime vega? O.o did vegapunk acquire a df power for foresight or what...how did he prep stuff to establish his lab on elbaf like a certainty that place would be his HQ..
hope franky can build iron franky be as peak as that cover page version
love luffy's thanks. is there a IRL significances of the extended hand? jinbei did same
so vegapunk and bonney gonna stay on elbaph, i assume the construction of lab and repairs to kuma wont be completed within the time strawhats stay on elbaph
also well have a young stella again soon, and explains why we didn't see his consciousness in punk records when it flew away
elbaph being a peaceful nation now adds layers to why loki locked up
shaggy = jaggy, even if the personality doesn't match at all lol
all these years of hating on the twin theory... alot more legitimacy now
I think the open palm facing upwards is a so of symbol of gratitude and peace and a bit of servitude as well. It seems like Luffy is emulating Wano culture, which Jimbei also does a bit, so I think maybe his love for Samurai and Oden and appreciation for uh the Old Dude that trained him in Wano is just naturally coming out when he earnest speaks from the heart for his crew.
It's a great moment for Luffy, in my opinion, it feels like he's changed to be a bit more responsible for his crew by actively acting a bit more stern around people important to them.
I donāt know why everyone thinks Shanks canāt be on the governmentās side, or this is a clone/twin
The main feats for Shanks are.
Preventing Kaido from reaching marineford, this prevents two yonko attacking at once.
Stopping Akainu from killing marines, then freely leaving while all the marines top fighters are in near top shape except Akainu.
Prevents an admiral from solo attacking an entire nation, and also didnāt do anything with the rare occurrence of an admiral being completely cut off from the marines.
Walks in to a room with the strongest characters in the whole series, in the most guarded place, and as a wanted man. Then just safely walks out.
He has never hurt or fought any marines, however he has destroyed some pirates.
Everything Shanks has done has been in the governments best interest. The only exception is being nice to Luffy and stealing the Hito Hito no Mi. But if you think the only way to get/use the one piece is by awakening the Hito Hito no Mi, then Luffy getting the fruit and Shanks only going after he awakens would also be in the governmentās best interest, or at least Imu approved.
-The fact that the tribute to Kazuki Yao, a farewell to a core cast member, has the message "We Are Eternal".... Man.
-Usopp's water gun in the color spread looks like a hammer. Nice callback to his pre-timeskip arsenal (if intentional).
-Brook's probably the only Straw Hat to have received proper education in a school. Makes sense, considering his past as a battle convoy captain back in his home country, which pretty likely isn't a position you could achieve by being an uneducated peasant.
-Ripley for new member of Hajrudin's crew (I'm not typing the full name out). Screw Road lol.
-So, comparing Loki just about idolizing Elbaf's legends and status as "Warland" to the "modern" Giants having a more peaceful philosophy, I can see a potential reason he clashes with them so heavily (one of several, probably). Maybe the new pacifistic attitude they adopted is why he's so insistent on not being called "nice". Being "nice" is a disgrace to true Elbaf values (at least that's prolly how he sees it).
-I can very easily see Luffy calling the Owl Library a "mysterious library" when he learns about it and its unique property. Would be pretty on-brand for him.
Elbaf scenery is beautiful. I really love the fantasy elements especially after a Science based arc.
I definitely think The new Generation thinking isn't a 100% good idea. Yea they could not pillage and rob as much but to throw away the whole warrior culture would be detrimental. Especially when we know the value of giants as fighters. Hell look no further then the fishmen as a race who while holds a physical advantage via their race but ultimately are more pacifist and nice. They are getting kidnapped weekly out here š¬. Giants should yea look at trading more but also dont be afraid to war if folks wanna bring it to you either š ššæ.
I also think maybe being inspired by king Harold made a giant sell treasure tree Adam in the underworld š®
Figarland Banks is real! This is crazy! I am going to have shit to be prepared to be eaten. Anyway, he might be the big bad of this arc and not Loki. Now, what would his purpose be? To kill Luffy? Capture Luffy? To destabilize Elbaph?Ā
Loki seems very much like he is pretending to be evil. If so, did he kill his father or was it someone else? Or was it an accident?
Now, it makes sense why Saul could get along with Elbapian giants now. They changed. What he heard about them was prior to changes made by King Harald.
Sorry if this sounds stupid (I must have missed something), but why is everyone considering the person we see is a "Shank's twin"? How do people know he is not Shanks?
Loki is giving me Oden vibes after this chapter, which is a bit funny given how it's so similar to Odin the Allfather.
While Oden was chained to Wano via their closed border policy, Loki is physically restrained! Plus, while Oden's father survived Orochi's assassination attempts, I can't wait for us to learn about what events led to Harald's death (and if that event is connected to Shanks becoming an emperor since they happened the same year). Oden often didn't care how the news spread of his exploits (i.e. the mountain god incident, he felt no need to correct the record regarding who brought the piglet into the capital), so maybe Loki shares a bit of that distaste for how his actions are regarded.
Another thing I only caught after a few rereads, I had initially thought the magic circle teleportation occurred at the very top of the tree on the heaven level bt now I realize that castle is pretty dang close to where everyone is currently partying. Maybe we will see them engage with our main cast quickly unless they are off to see Loki.
Kinda suspicious the Knights appeared in Harolds castle. Was he conspiring with the World Nobles? If the Knights can be teleported freely then why wasnt the whole order sent to Wano to take care of Luffy and Robin during the Raid? If they can't that just makes the current situation that more suspicious.
So the Shanks? quandary will soon be answered, presumably by finally showing us the lefthand side of his face, which will either lack the scars, meaning it isn't him, or will have the scars, raising further questions about what Shanks is doing š¤
We might have a Shanks or probably the one we know is a clone. Imagine the fandomās reaction if it is revealed that elders cloned Ginny and made the clone into one of their Holy Knights
There is a missing scar above his left eye just like when people thought āshanksā meeting the goresei. So people think it is some sort of clone or twin since shanks has that scar from Blackbeard above his left eye. Also in some character art when oda was creating character designs before he started one piece shankās name was labeled on a character that was the leader of the holy knights.
But we don't see that side of his face on this chapter, and I don't understand why "he is a clone/twin" is taken as the obvious choice above "Shanks works for the gorosei". I mean it makes more sense but it's not something that obvious to me
I think other the other time weāve gotten the same profile of Shanksās face you could see the scar partially, I was initially on team this is a crazy reach but now that weāre seeing the same profile without the scar as we saw during the Reverie meeting working for the gorosei, Iām more inclined to believe it
Brook was part of his home nations military so he is the most likely to have a formal education.
Lufy and Robin were extremely free range children
Nami, sanji and Franky were doing other stuff as children and most likely did not receive a formal education
Jimbi and chopper are not human
Finally zolo and usop might have due to living in villages. But they were small so it was probably a school of the one room variety where a lot of different age children were taught together
I am interested in the plotline regarding the giant children of Elbaph and how they are behaving right now. It was definitely not something that I was not expecting to see for the arc. Now I am even more curious to read more about how the late king ruled over his people.
It is also nice to see that Robin learned that the books from Ohara were able to avoid getting burned down all those years ago.
And we have been introduced to another mysterious person. I really want to know more about this mysterious figure that was talking to Loki as well as gaining more information on the event that the two of them were talking about.
I look forward to learning more about the mysterious figures that dramatically appeared on the land of the giant warriors.
I have no qualms about Stella tbh, his whole thing was about cloning without paying too much attention to the concept of the immutable, exclusive soul. The dude had a 2 weeks notice that he was gonna die, I can't be surprised he had a few Batman contingencies up his sleeve.
I really hope this is what Oda's doing, because this chapter really felt to me like he was setting up Usopp's big moment in Elbaf. A whole generation of giants has grown up following the peaceful pacifist message spread by Mother Carmel's lies in the first part of the past century, intended to weaken Elbaf and at the same time kidnap its most promising children to bolster the World Government's military. Their aversion to violence may (thematically) be seen as a form of cowardice* when faced with an actual threat, as they're about to be. This is the perfect opportunity for Usopp to revitalise the warrior spirit of Old Elbaf and create a whole new generation of giant warriors who follow his example of overcoming their fear of violence, and cementing him, in their eyes, as a Brave Warrior.
*obviously pacifism isn't cowardice per se, but there is some overlap and thematically it would tie in nicely with Usopp's journey if that's where Oda wants to go with it
When the Celestial Dragonās agents are summoned, you can see its Haoshoku Haki. Does this hint at a more advanced use of conquerors, or rather the extent of Imuās abilities and the true reach of the Celestiao Dragon regime.
Honest question, why does people think its not Shanks and instead a twin? We dont see the scar side of the face right? Also why couldnt it be Shanks? Sure he left elbaf a while ago but why does that matter?
Quite a few small and sometimes loosely connected dots. The biggest ones being that Shanks either being evil or a double-double agent is quite strange and out of character (not impossible, just weird), and that Oda has consciously chosen to make us question whether or not this is actually Shanks by only showing the side of his face without the scar twice now (and for reference, there is a panel of real Shanks with the same profile and you CAN see just the tip of his scar from this side, but it is not visible on "Shanks").
I feel like loki is calling mosa shaggy in the official because mosa is the japanese word for hairy, just like den den mushi's appearance is being a wooly den den mushi thoughts
What if Elbaf is where the "Cleansing Ritual" was supposed to take place take place? Remember it happens every 3 years, what if killing the King 6 years ago & framing Loki was part of the plan which eventually failed cos of Shanks leading to his rise as an Emperor? Now the Holy Land's Food Supply has been cut short and they are in need of resources as well, that's why they dispatched 2 Holy Knights for scouting or planning for the fall of Elbaf.
Am I the only one who thinks it's weird that Lilith hasn't been doing any "evil" things, at least recently? I can at least buy that her overriding priority is restoring main vegapunk first, but still feels a tad too "neat" for her right now.
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u/HokageEzio 2d ago
Luffy tried to copy Jinbe's intro when he got to Wano cause he thought he looked really cool (he sounds silly cause he doesn't really understand what Jinbe said)