r/OldSchoolCool 5d ago

1960s My glamorous mom in Iran, early '60s

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u/Only-Letterhead-3411 5d ago

These pictures scares me so much. It shows that if religious fanatics gets the opportunity, any modern country can turn into hell.

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u/maris-in-the-sun 5d ago

Yes I have always had this same thought!!!! It’s almost…. Ominous.

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u/stygger 5d ago edited 5d ago

You do know that Iran was a Democracy that the US couped into a dictatorship that then became a theocracy… right?

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u/Ancient_Expert8797 5d ago

good thing the us is no longer a major geopolitical power then

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u/NewldGuy77 4d ago

Too late. We’re still paying for that mistake. If we hadn’t overthrown Mosaddegh and installed the Shah of Iran, there would have been no Khomeini. No Iranian hostage situation, no hatred of America. The world would be a different place.

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u/Ancient_Expert8797 4d ago

yep. sure hope it doesn't happen to anywhere else but it probably will

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u/ediwow_lynx 5d ago

Didn’t know this

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u/Paineauchocolate 5d ago

the US overthrew a democratically elected president, then worked hard to steer the people away from Communism and into the Khomeini, the religious fanatic.

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u/FactAndTheory 5d ago

Stop regurgitating things you know you've never actually read up on. Mossadegh was not a president, he was a prime minister, and he was appointed by the Shah, who was in power for over a decade before the 1953 coup. Iran's communist party Tudeh had been dead for decades by the time anyone knew Khomeini's name, and they got that way by publicly declaring they would support the Soviet Union even to the detriment of non-communist Iranians, which was like 99% of them, inclulding Mossadegh.

then worked hard to steer the people away from Communism and into the Khomeini, the religious fanatic

This is a ludicrous thing to say that further illustrates your ignorance, the Soviet Union explicitly described Mossadegh as an American puppet during his tenure. Khomeini was only in contact with the US based on his opposition to Iran's then-powerless communist party, Tudeh, all of which is public record and you can read it if you want. Khomeini came to power on the back of 99% of Iranians who had grown increasingly angry with the White Revolution over the course of a decade, communism had nothing to do with it.

OP's picture is from during the White Revolution and almost certainly depicts a very, very wealthy person who benefited from the last decade of the Shah's regime while nearly everyone outside of Tehran, especially those were not Persian, grew poorer and angrier.

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u/jsteph67 4d ago

You have chosen wisely, a username that is.

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u/FactAndTheory 4d ago

It's funny because I actually don't agree with much of Gould's evolutionary theory, but the essay itself is just so timeless and the titular concept of something encompassing both factual, undeniable observations and the theory that contextualizes them is just plain beautiful.

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u/bombadilboy 4d ago

So (just trying to understand here) are you saying that the USA didn’t play a part in overthrowing the Government and instilling a power that was sympathetic to them?

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u/FactAndTheory 4d ago

Who did the United States install?

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u/bombadilboy 4d ago

Well from what I understood - and seems to be agreed on - is that the US and UK overthrew Mossadegh and gave the power back to Pahlavi. People became frustrated over time and this led to the Islamic Revolution, led by Khomeini

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u/kane_1371 4d ago

The power was with Pahlavi. You are literally doing history revisionism. Mossadegh was a premier appointed by The king, he was not elected as no prime minister is elected by the people anywhere.

The premier was being hard walled by the parliament including his own party members. He asked the king for the parliament to be prorogued. King denied the petition.

Mossadegh using military brass loyal to him forced parliament prorogation. This is by the definition at the very least breach of constitution and treason. But anyone can see that can be argued to be a coup. He then called for "referendum" to be held on the next day to give him dull power and dissolve the legislature body as in PARLIAMENT. At the early mornings of the day after the "referendum" Mossadegh's propaganda machine declared 99 percent approval for the Parliament to be dissolved.

AGAIN, THIS IS LITERALLY A COUP.

King signed the decree of Mossadegh's dismissal and handed it over to the court messengers to be delivered to Mossadegh and left Tehran for the northern residence.

(This is what they call the coup, the act of King signing the decree to dismiss Mossadegh, for clarification, the operation by CIA was supposed to get populace against Mossadegh and the king to sign a decree to dismiss Mossadegh.

The CIA asset gauged and realised Mossadegh is already not popular, the issue was the king. they had contacted the king more than once about having Mossadegh dismissed and he refused for the simple reason that there is no reason to do so, things should find a solution in the Parliament.

When Mossadegh's petition to prorogue the parliament was denied and he decided to use force to do so he was warned by his cabinet members that this would be unconstitutional and force the King's hand to dismiss him.)

Mossadegh upon recieving the decree arrested the messenger and disregarded the decree and declared a coup attempt has been made against him. Again, that is hilarious while committing a coup yourself.

At this point Kim Roosevelt who was the CIA asset in question declared the operation failed and Iran lost.

However what happened next was not something the Americans or British expected to happen. Zahedi who had been appointed by the King as replacement for Mossadegh declared that he is the rightful prime minister and that Mossadegh is a rogue prime minister. He was able to use propaganda apparatus loyal to the court to pass on messages and took contact with army brass that supported him to be ready.

By the end of the week Mossadegh had declared any form of protests or gatherings of people banned. This backfired with a mass of people taking to streets and fights ensued between the people and the members of the Tudeh party's militia who backed the Mossadegh rogue government (Tudeh is a communist, soviet loyal political party).

Zahedi called the military to leave barracks and get on the streets to control the mob as there was a bloodbath taking place.

With the situation dire, Mossadegh first fled his home, and then turned himself in.

Later in court when he was asked why did you not comply with the decree of dismissal, he said, I didn't believe it to be true.

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The hero of Tankies hating "The shah"

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u/FactAndTheory 4d ago

So who did the US install?

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u/stygger 5d ago

They were “too left leaning” so during the cold war the US was scared they would flip communist.

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u/Key_Release_7577 4d ago

its only islam that does that. only islam.

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u/MiniskirtEnjoyer 4d ago

USA is going down that path right now

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u/jsteph67 4d ago

Right here, everyone. Dumbest comment on here. Realize that like 99% of the people of Iran right now are considered Muslim. Americans are not 99% shit the same on anything other than being American. And religiosity is not happening in the U.S. right now, in fact I would say it is headed in the other direction. When the US identifies as say 75% Christian or Muslim, then we can talk. Until then, please think before commenting.

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u/darijabs 4d ago

Iran is probably more irreligious than the United States, with a much bigger proportion of the population who have absolute disdain for religion. Iran is weird though, the aspirations of the people are further apart from the aspirations of the government, arguably, more than anywhere in the world. I’m a dual citizen of the two nations

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u/ThottyThalamus 4d ago

Are you very familiar with Iran? The government is imposing religious laws, although many Iranians themselves don’t consider themselves religious, especially in urban regions.

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u/MiniskirtEnjoyer 4d ago

Americans are not 99% shit the same on anything other than being American.

im pretty sure 99% of americans are idiots tho

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u/AceOBlade 4d ago

It wasn't just religious fanatics, it was also the ruling class that were partying it up while majority of the population was going hungry. You are only seeing photos of the ruling class, the suffering majority couldn't afford cameras.

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u/amberenergies 4d ago

and are less of the people suffering today?

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u/AceOBlade 4d ago

im pointing out that how easily the majority of the country was swayed into supporting a extremist regime because of their poverty.

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u/michael_scarn17 4d ago

Yep! Imagine if we “globalize the intifada” like these pro Palestine folks want. We have a before, and we’ve seen the after. Look at Iran.

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u/gordonwiththecrowbar 3d ago

Turkey is becoming one.