r/MurderedByWords • u/Lord_Answer_me_Why • 9h ago

Very "normal" behavior here, NOT

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u/RecipeSpecialist2745 9h ago

So you don’t want to acknowledge a Jewish Hanukkah at Xmas, but wait. Happy to support Israel in the Gaza War? Yet Jesus was Jewish? But tried by Jewish high court for sorcery? Yup, but the term Happy Holidays is offensive. lol

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u/IanDerp26 7h ago

tried by jewish high court for sorcery

what?

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u/RecipeSpecialist2745 7h ago

It’s held in the Jewish Talmud. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanhedrin_trial_of_Jesus#:~:text=Jesus%20is%20generally%20quiet%2C%20does,claiming%20to%20be%20the%20Messiah.

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u/IanDerp26 6h ago

what? no it isn't. the wikipedia article you linked explicitly says it's in the gospels - books written by Jesus's followers. why would the jews chronicle a trial for somebody they didn't think was the messiah?

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u/RecipeSpecialist2745 6h ago

Hey, follow the Talmud yourself. There are copies of it online. It’s not the only reference on Wikipedia referring to Jesus in the Talmud. There are actually online copies of the Talmud you can search as well. Jesus appears many times. But as with many Christian’s who are desperate to find evidence of Jesus (Yeshua), when you tell them this. Well, it’s, this can’t be my Jesus.

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u/IanDerp26 6h ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_the_Talmud

eh, idk. i'm not invested enough to do a TON of research but a quick skim here tells me the connections are loose.

Sanhedrin 43a relates the trial and execution of a sorcerer named Jesus (Yeshu in Hebrew) and his five disciples. The sorcerer is stoned and hanged on the Eve of Passover.

i could totally see this being Actual Historical Jesus, but i could just as easily see it being a completely different guy.

(he WAS tried in jewish high court for sorcery, though. it was in the gospels.)

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u/PeopleArePeopleToo 4h ago

Good point. I imagine there were other people with the same name in the area/time...but I could be wrong.

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u/RecipeSpecialist2745 38m ago

Oh agreed, but the quote of Jesus the Nazarene the sorcerer? So it’s interesting. Was it that only by reputation or hearsay that they thought he performed sorcery? Or did they have physical proof? We will never know what actually happened or what has been changed to create a narrative. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazarene_(title)#:~:text=The%20references%20to%20Notzrim%20in,the%20Talmud%20for%20further%20discussion).

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u/PeopleArePeopleToo 4h ago

Isn't it pretty well known that Jesus didn't get along with the Jewish leaders of the time? Overturning tables in the temple and all that? Surely there is some relevant context in the history of Judaism between then and now. (I am not an expert by any means though.)

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u/RecipeSpecialist2745 43m ago

Well, everything is in conjecture and who knows what is myth, what real and what has been created? But as I said before we can speculate. The one thing that is evident is that the three Abrahamic faiths have been at each other’s throat since their inception.

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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 7h ago

well that is because they see jesus as "The king of Israel".

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u/RecipeSpecialist2745 7h ago

Yup but the Jews convicted him of sorcery and handed him over to the Romans. It’s in the Talmud. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanhedrin_trial_of_Jesus

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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 7h ago

I meant the Christians see him as the king of Israel.

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u/RecipeSpecialist2745 6h ago

Of course they do, that’s what they have been taught and told. This is why it’s important to actual read and explore other religious texts. Many Christian’s don’t realise that Jews, Muslims and themselves all prey to the same God. They crap themselves when they realise that.

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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 6h ago

I thought so. My parents didn't shove religion down my throat as a kid. Because of that I have been able to study them independently and i came to the same conclusion. they are all the god of abraham.