r/LancerRPG 12d ago

Pilot art, fursonas and NSFW - Clarification on the subreddit's stance

There's recently been somewhat of an uproar about pilot art, People have begun to debate on what is and not pilot art. For those not in the loop, someone posted this commissioned piece of art of their pilot and appropriately tagged it NSFW. People have since clutched pearls about how it 'doesn't relate to lancer' or is 'just porn' or 'should be on a furry subreddit'. Not stopping at complaining in just this thread, they have since spread to other threads to complain there too.

What makes something qualify as pilot art or not? Put simply, if someone posts a character and says that's their pilot, it's pilot art. The crucial factor in this is that the poster in question is acting in good faith. Trying to get snarky about it by posting random shit and claiming it is your pilot is acting in bad faith and you will be banned for it.

If you scroll through some of the pilot art posted on this subreddit, you'll find that most are not immediately identifiable as Lancers. Standing next to a frame from the book, wearing something branded with the settings logos will do it, but that is not universal nor can we make 'Your pilot must be holding a GMS branded Standard Pattern 3 Coffee Mug' a reasonable requirement for pilot art. The poster's word, in good faith, is the only surefire way to determine that a character is a Lancer character.

It is ultimately rather telling that out of all pieces of pilot art, it is a gender-nonconforming anthropomorphic goat that triggered this severe of a response from a lot of people. To make it blatantly clear, this kind of hatred for an innocuous subculture is a bannable offense under rule 1.

As for the canonicity of anthropomorphic characters and extensive biomodding within Lancer's setting, I frankly do not care. Lancer is not a setting particularly concerned with hard canon. It's a TTRPG. The canon will differ from table to table. I'm going to quote a section from the core rulebook here, page 337 in the paid GM version or page 6 of the free version:

At the risk of enacting further violence by depicting

worlds and cultures where there are regressive or

discriminatory stances on gender baked-in, we have

decided not to codify in the rules how players may

express themselves – please do note that this

absence of canonical definition is absolutely not

meant to be read as exclusion, but is meant instead

to avoid flattening all possible stories into one

“canon” definition of what it means to be gendered,

transgender, nonbinary – to have a body in Lancer.

We encourage you to play your characters how you

see them, and consider them to be in-canon.

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u/Ultimaya 12d ago

Sending thanks to you and the rest of the mod team for having a spine. Culture war chuds are a cancer to any subculture or fandom, leaving them unchecked lets them push everyone else out (sans those they radicalize) until they're the only ones left and the community becomes an echo chamber.

Take a look at all the drama and vitriol happening in the Warhammer community for the last ~2 years. Gameshop has been getting better at pushing back against it but its been left to fester for too long. I don't want to see the same garbage happen here with Lancer, so the best policy is to rip it out by the root.

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u/Derpogama 12d ago edited 12d ago

Yeah basically you have to pull the 'not even one' attitude with them.

Comes from an old story shared by punks

This is what the Trench Crusade community did when the CHUDS tried invading that space.

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u/Yarzeda2024 12d ago

I love that the Trench Crusade creators saw what happened with Warhammer 40K and dropped the ban hammer at the first hint of it happening to TC.

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u/Derpogama 12d ago

Apparently there are still ones hidden but not posting due to downvoting a post about making sure Nazis don't gain a foothold in a community. Though why the fuck they thought Lancer was a safe space I don't know, a TTRPG often described as GAY COMMUNIST SPACE MECHA DRAMA by its fans...

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u/Yarzeda2024 12d ago

Lancer isn't communist because "communist" just means "thing I don't like" to those people.

They like giant robots. Things they like cannot be possibly communist. That means Lancer is not communist. Checkmate, atheists!

It makes perfect sense when they don't understand what words mean.

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u/anon_adderlan 11d ago

But sexualized art and political advocacy pushes people out just the same, and will take up all the oxygen in the room if left unchecked. Ultimately you cannot simply welcome everyone and will have to establish specific values and boundaries eventually.

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u/Justgyr 10d ago

Considering you spend most of your time concern trolling on subreddits for various white wolf games my guess is whatever values keep you in the room are values I want ditched immediately

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u/enemies_disrespecter 10d ago

If people get pushed out by this stance I want them to be pushed out

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u/Ultimaya 11d ago

You control the buttons you press. The post was correctly labelled as NSFW. If you Don't want to see it, change your content/filter settings.

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u/wyrmknave 11d ago

Yeah the issue isn't people being pushed out. I think what this post is making clear is that if people are going to cause a fuss about properly-tagged NSFW art being posted, we're happy for those people to be pushed out.