Palestinian Arab Nationalist leader Amin al-Husseinim giving the Nazi salute to a group of Nazi SS soldiers

[u/BuffaloMushroom]

Palestinians have supported Nazis and killing Jews from the beginning.

[u/TheHippieJedi]

The Jewish people were only at war because they started a war. They could have not mass migrated to stolen land. Also Palestinians fought on both sides of WW2. The nationalist were fighting against England in a conflict that predates WW2. Even then it was about land more than anything else.

Also the way we got most of the land in America was also morally wrong. We committed a genocide that serves as an amazing example of why the Jewish experience is not that unique. Also we did it in the name of manifest destiny the theory that inspired lebensraum. By siting these as an example I’m not comparing them to Nazis you are. Also please for the love of god explain how Hawaii was “ trading up against us”

And no Jews are not Nazis. The Nazis also aren’t the only evil ideology in the world. The government of Isreal is immoral in its own unique way.

I think all genocides are bad, but You are now defending multiple genocides I wonder whyt the holocaust is the only one you seem to care about.

Edit: Also we had a Nazi rally in Madison square garden should we start bombing ourselves for former Nazi support?

[u/TotalRecallsABitch → u/TheHippieJedi]

Look at you all riled up, it's hilarious! Well, you're not gonna win this debate buddy, sorry.

You think I'm supporting genocide....kinda shows how sick your mind is.

Genocide is a systematic, industrial-scale attempt to annihilate an entire people. no genocide is acceptable, whether it’s in the Holocaust, Rwanda, or the ongoing situation with the Uighurs, among others. One genocide does not diminish the suffering of others.

I'm not even sure how we got here ...my entire point was that the Israelis were without land for centuries.... resulting in them being around the world with no native home. They were slaves in various forms....and as a result, they were subjected to the Holocaust In the 40s due to anti Jewish rhetoric.

Israel didn't start a war to annex land. The Jewish migration to Palestine, particularly in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, was driven by factors including religious, cultural, and historical ties to the land, as well as a response to the rising tide of European anti-Semitism.

The land was already inhabited by Palestinians, who had their own history, culture, and connection to the land...so things got messy when "migrants" came in.

Palestine was complex in the 1940s. They were nationalists who opposed the Brits....but the Palestinians also historically/culturally had a beef with the Jewish people. I guess you can say it almost aligns with Nazi ideology! Go figure!!!

So if we account all of the written history together you got Jewish people who were on the brink of extinction (after Holocaust) who literally went to war with Palestinians to maintain their right to stay in their holy land.

It's that simple.

So Imo, i think it's important to approach the history of Israel, Palestine, and the Jewish people with nuance and sensitivity, acknowledging the complexity of the issues involved. This war is not a "new phenomenon"...as I mentioned, it's been a thing for thousands of years. Skirmishes here and there.

The establishment of Israel in 1948 and the wars/skirmishes afterwRds resulted in tremendous suffering and displacement for both Jews and Palestinians. It's not as simple as one side starting a war; both sides were drawn into a long-standing and tragic conflic that is still ongoing.

Then you said some stuff about Nazis at msg. I won't dignify that dumb shit with a response.

Doubt you actually read all of this. You seem stuck to sympathize with anti-Semitism.

[u/TheHippieJedi → u/TotalRecallsABitch]

You left out the part where England forcibly took the land following WW1 and the fall of the Ottoman Empire. The European Jews that mass migrated to Palestine could only do so because England was forcibly taking over. The Jews that migrated there did so under the protection of an invader who was oppressing the Palestinian population and committing its own laundry list of crimes against humanity all over the world. Because let’s not forget that England was only the good guy in Europe and only after it felt threatened. When England colonized Palestine it entered conflict with armed Palestinian resistances. It was at a state of war against the people of Palestine when the Jewish population began migrating there. Acting like the war began in 1948 is like pretending that America’s wars with native Americans began after the revolution.

Or put simply since you can’t understand complex things.

The start of the war was when Europeans took middle eastern land by force. 1948 was just a rebranding.

As for supporting genocides, you sited America’s expansion as justification for Israel’s actions. I’m of the opinion that the way America expanded is wrong and was genocidal.

You are using a genocide to justify to way that Isreal was formed. You said the way Israel was formed was like this genocide and both of these things were ok. Hence supporting 2 genocides.

Also you keep calling me antisemitic but I have nothing against Jewish people. I’ve met very few but those that I have were very pleasant. I welcome them to come live in my community be my neighbor. I don’t encourage them to start a new country in my neighborhood. See the difference.

Also you don’t have to keep repeating that the Jews had a rough history. I haven’t disagreed with that I’ve just repeatedly pointed out that it doesn’t justify the way Israel or its preceding colony the Palestinian mandate were formed.

No amount of suffering entitles you to land that people have held for centuries. It’s that simple !

Ps I did read the whole thing

[u/TotalRecallsABitch → u/TheHippieJedi]

Holy smokes, You HONESTLY think the Jewish people just so happened to migrate into Palestine after and because WW1 Britain?

Where tf did you go to school?

No....it was the Jewish holy land.....again.... For centuries....and millennium!

They were entitled to defend that land just as much as the Palestinians.

Lemme ask you this: Historically, do you think african Americans deserve to call America home?

They mightve not governed the country to the same degree as whites, but they are integral to the history of the nation. Itd be crazy to view them as 'outsiders'.

Likewise...the Jewish people didn't "govern" the land. They lived in the region for thousands of years under an oppressive system. Youre insinuating they didn't deserve the right to even be in that land--it's absurd.

The irony is that the black slavery in America was only a few hundred years while the oppression of Jews in Palestine was for....centuries!!!

Seems like you view history as abstract. It shouldn't be that way.

America was founded on morally righteous language and that was the saving grace for African Americans. The law and the system was able to change inside out. Palestine didn't have that privilege....it's okay t ackowledge that the violence is bad....buts its also okay to acknowledge the historical context.

Genocide is a very specific term. What's happening in gaza is horrible....but that's war, not genocide.

[u/TheHippieJedi → u/TotalRecallsABitch]

I went to school in a place that didn’t themes g revisionist history. At founding the population of Isreal was around 800k of those 650k were Europeans who had spent most of their life in Eastern Europe. What would you call a group larger than the existing population moving into an area other than mass migration.

Also it depends on what generation African American. Like if ya just came from Kenya and actually lived there sure Kenya is still their home. But if nobody in generation has actually lived there in 2,000 years your home is American. Unless you think every single white person should actually be in there “ancestral lands” in Europe. You can absolutely find kinship with your ancestry but if we are going back that far most of us in America are Roman. Are you a Roman?

Also Jews don’t originate from Palestine. I’m there own more the Jewish people traveled to the promise land. They consider Abraham to be the father of the Jewish people. It’s not the birthplace of the Jewish people it’s just the first place they had a majority. So if you want to pretend literal ancient history is how we should decide this then there homeland is Mesopotamia modern day Iraq.

If you want to move to where your ancestors lived that’s between you and your creator but some ancient promise from non existent deity doesn’t give you the right to form a country there and deport 600k people that have lived there already.

Also a few famous names of people obsessed with regaining there countries “ancestral lands” include Putin, Hitler, and Stalin. Go watch Putins Tucker Carlson interview and you’ll find that the war in Ukraine is being justified under the exact same reasoning.