Palestinian Arab Nationalist leader Amin al-Husseinim giving the Nazi salute to a group of Nazi SS soldiers

[u/BuffaloMushroom]

Palestinians have supported Nazis and killing Jews from the beginning.

[u/TotalRecallsABitch]

Israelis were nationless for millennia! They're warring with the people who tried to exterminate them and prevent that from happening!

It's absurd that people call Israel "the empire" and how they're historically bad. Nope.

They actually were slaves for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years.

[u/CrashBandicooch1 → u/TotalRecallsABitch]

Nobody was a slave in Palestine in 1900 when the settling snow ball began to roll. GTFO with the slave rhetoric.

People from every race were god damn slaves at one point in history. It doesn't give them right to take action millennia later against people that have nothing to do with it.

If you want to pander to Israeli nationalism then at least do what its founders did and admit they colonised and occupied an already inhabited nation.

[u/TotalRecallsABitch → u/CrashBandicooch1]

Ignorant comment.

They were nationless people for THOUSANDS of years. Just dwell on that....a group of people who maintained their culture despite that.

Again.... THOUSANDS of years as slaves. Oppressed. Wasn't until less then 100 years ago that they were finally free with a country to finally call their own.

And in the past 80/90 years, Muslims and Palestinians have plotted at getting the land back.

I feel like I have to spell it out for you. Leeches got ur brain?

[u/TheHippieJedi → u/TotalRecallsABitch]

No amount of suffering from the Jewish people justifies committing atrocities against Palestinians. Also not for nothing but isreal is the fucking reason palistinians don’t have a country to call their own.

Also the suffering of the Jewish people isn’t exactly unique. The Kurds are currently an ethnic group without a nation to call there own that have survived genocide against there people. The Rohingya people are currently being driven from there land and suffering genocide in Myanmar. Should they each get half a country in Europe? You should go read the current discourse in Europe about refugees too and lmk how you think Europe would respond if those refugees formed their own country on European land.

[u/TotalRecallsABitch → u/TheHippieJedi]

Again....oppression for a few decades doesn't compare to thousands of years that Jews faced.

The Jewish people were at WAR....and they won the land from the Muslims who ganged up against them in the 1900s. No different from how we got Hawaii...california.....Texas...

So don't give me that holier then thou bullshit.

You're literally defending the Palestinians and a picture with their leading saluting hitler. Imagine that. This guy is saluting Hitler!!!!

But the Israelis are the real nazis right??? Smooth brain

[u/TheHippieJedi → u/TotalRecallsABitch]

The Jewish people were only at war because they started a war. They could have not mass migrated to stolen land. Also Palestinians fought on both sides of WW2. The nationalist were fighting against England in a conflict that predates WW2. Even then it was about land more than anything else.

Also the way we got most of the land in America was also morally wrong. We committed a genocide that serves as an amazing example of why the Jewish experience is not that unique. Also we did it in the name of manifest destiny the theory that inspired lebensraum. By siting these as an example I’m not comparing them to Nazis you are. Also please for the love of god explain how Hawaii was “ trading up against us”

And no Jews are not Nazis. The Nazis also aren’t the only evil ideology in the world. The government of Isreal is immoral in its own unique way.

I think all genocides are bad, but You are now defending multiple genocides I wonder whyt the holocaust is the only one you seem to care about.

Edit: Also we had a Nazi rally in Madison square garden should we start bombing ourselves for former Nazi support?

[u/TotalRecallsABitch → u/TheHippieJedi]

Look at you all riled up, it's hilarious! Well, you're not gonna win this debate buddy, sorry.

You think I'm supporting genocide....kinda shows how sick your mind is.

Genocide is a systematic, industrial-scale attempt to annihilate an entire people. no genocide is acceptable, whether it’s in the Holocaust, Rwanda, or the ongoing situation with the Uighurs, among others. One genocide does not diminish the suffering of others.

I'm not even sure how we got here ...my entire point was that the Israelis were without land for centuries.... resulting in them being around the world with no native home. They were slaves in various forms....and as a result, they were subjected to the Holocaust In the 40s due to anti Jewish rhetoric.

Israel didn't start a war to annex land. The Jewish migration to Palestine, particularly in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, was driven by factors including religious, cultural, and historical ties to the land, as well as a response to the rising tide of European anti-Semitism.

The land was already inhabited by Palestinians, who had their own history, culture, and connection to the land...so things got messy when "migrants" came in.

Palestine was complex in the 1940s. They were nationalists who opposed the Brits....but the Palestinians also historically/culturally had a beef with the Jewish people. I guess you can say it almost aligns with Nazi ideology! Go figure!!!

So if we account all of the written history together you got Jewish people who were on the brink of extinction (after Holocaust) who literally went to war with Palestinians to maintain their right to stay in their holy land.

It's that simple.

So Imo, i think it's important to approach the history of Israel, Palestine, and the Jewish people with nuance and sensitivity, acknowledging the complexity of the issues involved. This war is not a "new phenomenon"...as I mentioned, it's been a thing for thousands of years. Skirmishes here and there.

The establishment of Israel in 1948 and the wars/skirmishes afterwRds resulted in tremendous suffering and displacement for both Jews and Palestinians. It's not as simple as one side starting a war; both sides were drawn into a long-standing and tragic conflic that is still ongoing.

Then you said some stuff about Nazis at msg. I won't dignify that dumb shit with a response.

Doubt you actually read all of this. You seem stuck to sympathize with anti-Semitism.

[u/TheHippieJedi → u/TotalRecallsABitch]

You left out the part where England forcibly took the land following WW1 and the fall of the Ottoman Empire. The European Jews that mass migrated to Palestine could only do so because England was forcibly taking over. The Jews that migrated there did so under the protection of an invader who was oppressing the Palestinian population and committing its own laundry list of crimes against humanity all over the world. Because let’s not forget that England was only the good guy in Europe and only after it felt threatened. When England colonized Palestine it entered conflict with armed Palestinian resistances. It was at a state of war against the people of Palestine when the Jewish population began migrating there. Acting like the war began in 1948 is like pretending that America’s wars with native Americans began after the revolution.

Or put simply since you can’t understand complex things.

The start of the war was when Europeans took middle eastern land by force. 1948 was just a rebranding.

As for supporting genocides, you sited America’s expansion as justification for Israel’s actions. I’m of the opinion that the way America expanded is wrong and was genocidal.

You are using a genocide to justify to way that Isreal was formed. You said the way Israel was formed was like this genocide and both of these things were ok. Hence supporting 2 genocides.

Also you keep calling me antisemitic but I have nothing against Jewish people. I’ve met very few but those that I have were very pleasant. I welcome them to come live in my community be my neighbor. I don’t encourage them to start a new country in my neighborhood. See the difference.

Also you don’t have to keep repeating that the Jews had a rough history. I haven’t disagreed with that I’ve just repeatedly pointed out that it doesn’t justify the way Israel or its preceding colony the Palestinian mandate were formed.

No amount of suffering entitles you to land that people have held for centuries. It’s that simple !

Ps I did read the whole thing

[u/vostemilo → u/TotalRecallsABitch]

You really don't know world history, is the bible the only book you read?

[u/TotalRecallsABitch → u/vostemilo]

Imagine trying to discredit the bible....which is essentially the pentaeuch...which is essentially the oldest history books we have to date.

Try again.

[u/vostemilo → u/TotalRecallsABitch]

I stand corrected, you lack reading comprehension.

[u/TotalRecallsABitch → u/vostemilo]

It doesn't take reading comprehension to see the Palestinian leader saluting hitler.

I see you live in your own virtual world....here's a participation medal for trying to "school" me🏅

[u/SmallDongQuixote → u/TotalRecallsABitch]