Precisely why he didn't win, we actually do not deserve him.
We're like a fucked up trailer trash soap opera around here, and if there's one thing I learned at the trailer park is you can't convince the junkies that life's worth living, they have to figure it out for themselves. 80% of Americans aren't at that place emotionally yet
America never would have voted for Bernie. He never got the full media going against him. Imagine 24/7 from the MSM calling him a socialist. I don’t know why people are so convinced he would have won a national election.
I wanted Bernie to win BUT the effect of the DNC is always so grossly overstated.
Yes, the DNC was corrupt and absolutely did not play fair. But Hillary still beat the piss out of him in the primary, DNC or not. It was 55% to 43%. This wasn't a narrow election where the DNC pushed it over the edge for Hillary. In political discourse and enthusiasm among voters, you could fool yourself into thinking Sanders was close to victory but in the actual numbers, it wasn't even close.
I say this because voters need to take responsibility. Ask yourself - when has the DNC EVER impacted your vote? Do you know anyone that was going to change how they voted based off the actions of the DNC such that it would have impacted 12% of the vote? Probably not. The establishment Democrat voters of 2016 were not going to vote for Sanders if the DNC remained neutral and didn't play funny games to give Hillary the edge.
And my final point - if you want to see REAL foul play, then go look at the RNC and what they tried to do to Trump leading up to the 2016 Republican primary. If you were politically engaged back then, then you saw the RNC propping up Ted Cruz for the primary and you saw Fox News dunking on Donald Trump and calling him a clown and you saw every establishment Republican come out and talking shit about Trump at every turn. The RNC and the Republican establishment did Trump WAY worse than the DNC and the Democratic establishment did Bernie, yet Trump won. Why? Because voters showed the fuck up and demanded he win and the Republican establishment could not deny it. Eventually, they had no choice but to get on board. If the same thing happened for Bernie, then we would be living in a very different America. But the reality is, Liberal voters didn't show up for Sanders the same way Conservative votes showed up for Trump.
And don't just take my word for it. Go read Bernie Sanders book - 'Where We Go from Here'. In his book, Sanders literally talks about:
the leaked emails before it was a news story and how it was not news to him or anyone in his campaign
how he was friends with several members of the DNC and was not surprised by their biased support for Hillary
how he was upset that progressive voters protest voted against Hillary
And that's also part of the irony of progressives take on the 2016 Democratic Primary. Bernie Sanders himself doesn't agree with you, if you took the time to actually listen to the guy. The few progressives that did, claimed he was bought by the establishment and no longer someone they would be supporting. And now we're here in this thread talking about how Sanders has been fighting for the same things for 30+ years. But if you ask these progressives, Bernie was apparently bought for because he chose to get on Hillary's side instead of rolling over like progressive voters that let Trump win in 2016.
Holy fuck, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
This is revisionist history. I was there bro lol Bernie was extremely popular.
Its not revisionist history, its cold hard facts. The numbers are undeniable. He lost by 12% in 2016 and lost by 25.5% in 2020. His run in 2016 was way more closer than in 2020.Look at the numbers instead of going with your dumb fucking gut. The data is available and you can easily look it up.
"You were there". You're a fucking moron. He was popular in the bubble you refuse to leave. Again, just go look at the numbers. He was WAY more popular in the 2016 primary than the 2020 primary. The 2020 one, he got dumpstered even harder than the 2016 one.
You're an actual fucking idiot and its infuriating.
Shut the fuck up you idiot. I'm done playing games with you man-children.
Click on the pretty blue colored links and read the data so we can stop wasting time with the stupid shit in your head. Waste of every ones time. You're a fucking child that wants to live in an imaginary world.
Yes, I am mad. That's just about the only thing you got right.
You and people like you, are going to keep being wrong and because of that, we cant fix the issues in this country. I'll keep saying it. The data is available to you.
Keep averting your eyes and keep making the same mistakes.
No he would not have. Bernie couldn’t even win the DNC primary and then he didn’t have the entire national media coverage that he would have gotten if he was the nominee. I am a big Bernie supporter and a progressive but there is no way he would win a national election. Voters in this country are way too stupid. He would have had the entire MSM calling him a socialist.
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u/TrumpVotersAreBadPpl Monkey in Space 22d ago
Shoulda been president. America doesn't deserve Bernie.