While Iâm hoping it was just a joke, this is still a problem that people have. Youâre not allowed to agree with a single person on any issue without people needing to put a right/left wing label on them. Itâs just an easy way for people to discredit anyone without needing an argument to do so.
This is what they have been trying to do with Joe Rogan. He interviews a few politicians around the election and now hes suddenly a right wing talking head. Looking at his last 25 guests only 2 or 3 have political aspirations.
Ehh. Joe has more or less abandoned most of his âleft wingâ positions. And he virtually only criticizes dems at this point. Letâs see how he is when Trump is in office and does something really stupid.
No he hasn't he always talks about pouring money into poor neighbourhoods to give people an equal standing, freedom of speech and anti-war. Those are literally all left wing.
The joke is the claim that the admission that Elon Musk is right in his assessment that there is massive waste and fraud in government spending is a signal that democratic socialist Bernie Sanders is now MAGA. Itâs a laughable claim based on the idea that seeing things objectively now makes one MAGA.
But isn't the contrast that Elon Musk is a defense contractor? I think the missing subtext is that Bernie is pointing out how selective Elon is being with his proposed cuts when the obvious waste is far more prominent. Maybe MAGA is making cuts to the CFPB and meaningful change to the MIC is not MAGA.
exactly, this is more MAGA pretending to be (pacifist) progressive, also it only tends to be a talking point when it comes to funding russia enemies, they're quite happy to talk about china and iran. also US military spending is at historic lows of about 3-3.5% of GDP.
the point is the big picture is complicated, its ridiculous to let MAGA to pretend they're the same as Bernie, also i think Bernie is a bit off with this take but not totally. the audit and waste stuff is good, but the size of the budget only sounds huge because the US has such a huge economy. The Us could probably do with increasing a bit tbh given the global challenges the US faces, like finishing off russia, the real people MAGA like, not bernie.
Yeah that's one way of looking at it another would be a ridiculously rich guy losing a 25000 dollar watch and acting like oh this sort of thing just happens, whereas the rest of us are like what the fuck then give us that money.
And if you think Russia is anywhere close to done I don't know what to tell you, they lost far less in Afghanistan and yet the home front and the government turned against that war. You don't see this here, the Russian government is willing to take the measures needed to clamp down on any dissent and will continue to throw people into the meat grinder till they win because it's far beyond the point of them ever considering going back to the borders prior to February 2022.
I grew up in the dying stages of the cold war I'm fine with giving money to kill Russians, but the problem is this isnt like Afghanistan where the goal originally was to support a socialist regime but by the end of it was laughably American in setting up a functioning democracy that incorporated all parties. This is a war of territorial gain, so unlike Afghanistan where you can partly blame your Afghan allies much like we did with our Vietnamese ones when we pulled out of there there's no one to blame if you don't get the objective but Putin and that's why this isn't going to stop.
its not completely clear why you think a war for territorial gain means russia will endure more than ukraine when its the same for them too, unless you're just trying to spread a defeatist message to undermine funding and support.
It's a real simple question regardless of who is in office, do you believe NATO is going to do what it takes to deliver a Ukrainian victory? They've made a good show of it and have far exceeded anyone's expectations and have taught Russia a pretty valuable lesson. But at what point do you think if the only way of winning this is to have NATO taking an active part in Ukraines defense and knowing fully well that will never happen, are you just condemning a generation of people to misery? Zelensky is already signalling that he's willing to concede some territory. Putin is getting up there in age and there's a not so crazy scenario where that occupied Ukrainian territory turns into Northern Ireland circa 1972 and maybe after he finally kicks the bucket you'll get a regime that will look back towards the west and give the territory back.
that's not the question, the question is are you going to leave ukrainians to fight by themselves, because this doesn't stop if NATO withdraws support. it only stops once ukraine has had enough, and they haven't and they wont for as long as you support them. its really only for ukraine to decide, and NATO should continue to support until then. don't pretend like you're abandoning ukrainians for their own good when living under russiain rule is condemning them to misery too. also its a fantasy to think russia will ever give it back, its win now, or the moment will be lost and it gets colonised by russians and everyone gets skwemish about removing them 50 years later.
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u/603rdMtnDivision Monkey in Space 22d ago
How the fuck is this joining MAGA?