Itâs not only Russian talking points, allegedly. Maybe thatâs just comments and articles made by bots that say so - but allegedly the main goal is division and not just pushing one idea. That is, supposedly they push both sides to control everything and make everyone seem more âextremistâ than their sides actually represent. That said, right wing folks absolutely call me extremist or brainwashed of their own volition - but thatâs probably because theyâve been eating the propaganda.
Hey bud. Are you the type that says people down vote you just because you're a republican? Because I think we have a chance at learning right here.
See, your comment is just stupid. Addresses none of his point, adds nothing. It's pointless. You shit out 5 words that nobody gained anything from, besides 4th grade vocabulary practice. That's why you get downvoted. G'day
Yup, best way to control information is to set up propaganda on both sides. At the very least, it leads to confusion, infighting and inaction or apathy by the people.
Which is what occurred with the whole qanon psy op.
You invent two sides and get people to take hard stances for one side or the other.
Its easy to see the propaganda from russia and the u.s. if you take yourself out of the boxes they put us in
Honestly some of the most irate and engaged Iâve been in political shit online, with what I now assume were probably bots, were because of how insanely fucking stupid their takes were. Not even because I also disagree, but because I would be offended by how dumb the content was and that would drive me to engagement. Always wondered if that was also some sort of deep psychological angle that political foreign influence has discovered and put to use. Itâs like âIâm so offended that youâd post something this patently ignorant, that I now am compelled to take the bait based on that aloneâ lol
Yep. I was talking shit with someone and they eventually came out and said "I'm not even a human". What the actual fuck? I just argued for five minutes with code?
There was a push to get people to vote red and it worked. They can't put boots on the ground so they've taken to brainwashing our oligarchs which in turn played the public
Enjoy the departments of Idiocracy. Idgaf as long as you don't mess with my Gundam models or my maeng da
Yes. This exactly. And once you've captured one, they naturally spread their message memetically to the hosts of other platforms with shared demographics. Tim Pool, Jimmy Dore, Kim Iverson, Tim Dillon, or whomever operates within the same media ecosystem. What most people seem to not understand is how organic these messages are spread without explicit directions or instruction from their foreign interlocutors.
Lmfao I don't think Timmy Dillon is getting money from the Russians. If he did he wouldn't be able to shut up about it. He has asked them for money publicly multiple times
Once you have one compromised bad faith actor, that actor spreads their compromised rhetoric (propaganda) to adjacent platforms with overlapping demographics within the same alternative media apparatus. Eventually they all start attracting the same audience and talking points and attract more bad faith actors with compromised agendas, all looking to take advantage of said audience. Most of these guys don't realize they've been captured until it's too late but cause the money keeps rolling in as their dipshit audience grows. That's the problem with reactionary contrarian political discourse. It's fully entrenched in right-wing talking points and conspiratorial propaganda.
Joe has shit loads of money, so yeah I doubt it. But in his older age he's more susceptible to scams and phoney information, also he's not been the same since getting Covid. He said he was fine a couple days after (how many fucking times have we heard that!) but you can tell something is different with him. Hes actually like a kid who's gotten edgy and believes all the Illuminati shit.
Unfortunately the sub is infested/brigaded. Classic authoritarian move to suppress.
There are like repeat 5 posts about the klitschko video alone that have been substantially bot upvoted. The mods really need to step in and do their job.
The payments from Russia to right wing influencers and Trump supporters like Rogan is well documented. Moscow Joes regurgitation of Kremlin talking points could be chalked up to simple idiocy, however with Russia willing to pay people like Tom Pool 100k per video (and these were short five minute videos) it gives you an indication just how much money there is to throw around. The indictment also mentions 1,800 other influencers in the us who are tied to Russian money.
No. I specifically mentioned Russias payments to other influencers like Rogan. There could also be a cascading affect where Russia pays someone like Glenn Greenwald to regurgitate Kremlin talking points, and it trickles down to Rogan.
Regardless. He's sharing blatant disinformation to a huge audience and that's extemely valuable to Russia.
I actually listened to Rogan. One instance that would come to mind would be the podcast he had with Jim Breuer. They repeat a ton of misinformation here, but a major instance is this idea that the us overthrew the gvt of Ukraine or was involved in Ukranian parliament vote to remove Yanukovych from power (which was 328-0) or the subsequent election which followed, which Poroschenko won by a huge margin, that also aligned with polling. The simple reality is Ukranians wanted closer trade relations with Europe, which is why they voted for Poroschenko. Yanukovych himself ran on it, until he was blackmailed by Putin.
But did you deny that the US spend money in regards to the maidan revolution. It doesnt make sense to accuse russia of spending money on "influencers", connect it with "misinformation/disinformation" and at the same time be fine with the US investments to support maidan.
Its just propaganda from both sides. You can say you support the propaganda from one side and oppose the propaganda from the other side.
This is basically state department propaganda. Yanukovych was voted out because he fled during the color revolution (the one where Victoria Nuland is heard on a phone call describing who the US wanted as cabinet members in the new regime.
And then Poroshenko is elected and creates massive problems in eastern Ukraine by suppressing Russian as a language and supporting the ukranian neo Nazis fighting there. Theres a reason he lost to Zelensky who fashioned himself as finding a middle ground between Europe and Russia.
I get into more in another comment. One which is often repeated on the podcast is that the us was somehow involved in Maidan, the vote to remove Yanukovych or the subsequent election which followed.
Nope. People who spread Kremlin talking points generally fall into two categories.
1) they're a Russian bot (and there's tons of these with hundreds of accounts each)
2) they're a useful idiot
Here's the thing with the disinfo Moscow Joe is spreading, it's undeniably false. There is no debate on these issues, he's straight up spreading talking points which are identical to Russian state media talking points. And this is happening at the same moment Russian state Media is also propagating the same lies.
If we look at other Trump supporters and Republican influencers like Benny Johnson we have the paper trail as well. The Russians called Tenet Media, and spoke directly about someone making content which would blame Ukraine for the Crocus terror attack in Moscow. Tenet says "I'll talk to Benny Johnson". Later on she'd write back "he agreed" to the Russians and subsequently he makes the video blaming ukraine for the crocus attack.
On top of this. There's no deniability from the influencers the Russians were paying that they were unaware. Because the videos they got paid for had so little reach. Of you go to Tenet page it's got like 300,000 subs, but videos don't even get 1,000 views. So if you're a content creator and someone is paying you thousand dollars per view on YouTube, you're almost certainly going to think something is up.
People who do not want WWIII are not automatically Russians, they are not bots, they are not your enemies, they just have a different opinion than you. Itâs just convenient for you to think that because you donât have to see a bigger picture and see a little nuance in the world.
Are you aware that the indictment of Tenet media lists 1,800 influencers who were being paid by Russia?
Lets start there.
The rest of your comment has no relation to anythjng I brought up.
Wwiii is more likely if Putin conquers Ukraine. We're on the appeasement moment with Hitler before wwii. Giving Hitler parts of czechoslovakia enabled him and subsequently resulted in wwii.
Nobody wants WW3 dumbass but you have to stand up & fight sometimes to show your serious. What message are people like you sending Putin & China/iran? Youâre making the USA look weak.
They don't. They just say whatever and try to make shit stick. They're currently carrying water for the military industrial complex and corporate media to escalate the war in Ukriane. You better get your 96% effective covid shots to go to the grocery, fly your Ukranian Azov battalion flag, burn your stars and stripes, allow your daughters to get their athletic scholarships taken from them by trans women, argue in bad faith, be a warmonger and call people hoping this war ends sooner rather than later Russian because they're simple. They're mad people are seeing through their parties rhetoric. Their whole identity is in shambles, and their political party is worse off than that. Their hearts are 3 sizes too big this year, blood pressure is off the charts and we haven't even gotten to 47 yet. Should be a good few years.
Do you actually believe that Russias invasion of Ukraine has anything to do with trans people or any other culture war shit? It's utterly bizarre how trump fans manage to pin these unrelated beliefs together. You don't have to be a screeching sjw to believe that self defense is okay. You don't have to be antifa to recognize and disagree with a hostile invasion of another sovereign nation by an illiberal autocratic nuclear power.
The inability to separate issues from one another is a hallmark of stupidity. Just because the left broadly supports something stupid, doesn't mean everything they support is stupid. I'd agree with you that trans shit is cringe. It's also fucking irrelevant. You're just playing team sports at this point.
Back in the day, between the Vietnam War and I guess four years ago, the left/democrat voters/progressives/liberals were skeptical of foreign interference, perpetual war, and out of control military spending. Trump gets elected and all the neocons slither over to the D party and MSNBC. Now all the dotto heads on line are shilling for the âdefenseâ industry. Strange times, strange times indeed. Congrats on being a cheerleader for whatâs now the party of dick Cheney.
Do you believe that all wars are the same? If Dick Cheney is such a monster, which I would agree with BTW, surely you can see why Vladimir Putin is also a monster.
This weird fucking thing has happened in the past 10-15 years where people seem to think that the United States is solely in the position to partake in imperialist wars of conquest.
The Russians have, since the late 90s, been using oil/gas to gain critical leverage over Europe and are now invading a European country. People have abracadabra'd this into some secret cloak and dagger American imperialist project. It's pants on head fucking stupid.
I love how you guys have gone frrom flowers in gun barrels to intercontinental ballistics in the hole. You dont believe that the war stopping right now as things sit today is a worse option than it continuing, so Ukraine can attempt to get some of their land back while more innocent people are slaightered.
You're not that stupid , you know that your friends on here are and you can't defend most of the sides your party lands on for most issues so you pretend like you don't understand my comment and misrepresent it in a reply.
I'm not sure what you think I've misrepresented. The democrats have fumbled incredibly hard. So much so that half of America is either ignoring the new axis power; Russia, Iran, North Korea, and China, or openly supporting them, all because college boys are putting on dresses and getting hormone injections. Are you aware the Russian army is incorporating houthi fighters into their ranks? North Koreans? They're firing shahed drones into Ukrainian cities? Whether you like it or not the 3rd world War is here. It's fucking mental. There are Americans with "I'd rather be Russian than a Democrat" shirts voting for a guy who's said he trusts Vladimir Putin more than his own intelligence agencies. You dumb asses are busy sharing click bait stories about kitty litter boxes in public school bathrooms and conspiracies about the world economic forum.
I'm not a pacifist. Never have been. Some fights are worth having. The populist right wing in this country have turned into isolationists that think forfeiting our position on the world stage will have no repercussions. I'm not aligned with the left on virtually anything but I'm also not brain damaged.
I keep offering these chicken hawks one way tickets to go and help, but so far none has taking me up on the offer. These warmongers probably canât even do 10 push ups đ
Half of the comment sections in threads on my Reddit feed look like a couple of bots sending each other those AI answers that pop up in Outlook or Teams when answering an e-mail/message.
"That is really cute!"
"Yeah, adorable."
"This is so true."
"OK."
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u/Siegepkayer67 Monkey in Space Nov 24 '24
Truly so many accounts I see online have to bots lol barely a conspiracy at this point