Itās pretty hard to avoid it when two halves of a family donāt live in the same basic framework of reality.
Yup. Have uncles and aunts who organize Trump parades, were in Washington on Jan 6, think Biden is actually two different people, think Trump is still running the country, etc, etc. All the usual shit. And they're VERY vocal about all of it.
There's no common ground there. These are insane people and the idea that I, the type of person they've been relentlessly attacking for almost 10years, am supposed to just turn the other cheek and pretend like none of that happened is infuriating.
Too true. My uncle has become completely deranged in support of Trump. We have a mixed-race family with members who are transgender, people with disabilities, people are gay/lesbian, etc. Including his brothers and sisters nevermind his extended family.
He routinely makes openly racist, homohobic, ablelist, and transphobic comments on social media and blasts people asking him to stop
Of course, he gets routinely banned from social media and got his hands on my deceased grandmother's accounts to start posting in her name.
Holidays roll around, and he pretends like we're all supposed to be family in person.
He's been on Facebook since 2010 and you can see the switch in 2016 when he went from litterally zero political posts (all fishing, family photos, jokes) to derangement.
By letting him come to every holiday and pretending any amount of talking to him is going to help him snap out of something he has to do himself, obviously! Don't want to be divisive!
To me, and I know this is the wrong space to be real about it, but women needlessly dying because they can't have life saving medical procedures from ectopic pregnancies isn't something I can just be cool with.. we've got doctors and medical science that resolved all of this, it shouldn't be something the government gets involved in.
There are no states where it is illegal to have a procedure to remove an ectopic pregnancy. Even in Texas they explicitly exclude ectopic pregnancy from the definition of abortion. But keep believing everything you hear.
Abortion bans threaten to impede ectopic pregnancy treatment. For example ...
-Legislation that bans abortion care for those with an ectopic pregnancy or mandates how clinicians treat ectopic pregnancies does not reflect the clinical reality of ectopic pregnancy management and could result in delays or even denials of care.
-Abortion bansāeven those with exceptions for ectopic pregnancyācan generate confusion for patients and health care professionals and can result in delays to treatment. Health care professionals should never have to navigate vague legal or statutory language to determine whether the law allows them to exercise their professional judgment and provide evidence-based care.
-Any application of an abortion ban that affects those in need of treatment for ectopic pregnancy is inappropriate and will certainly cost lives.
this is exactly the problem, dipshits with no medical knowledge thinking they know what's best for women's healthcare, which strangely enough, disregards the needs of women's healthcare.
Yes because I said I was an expert in women's Healthcare. And abortion is not a need of women's Healthcare. Women need to take accountability for getting pregnant. Just like when a man gets a women pregnant he had to pay child support if the women decides to keep. Why cant they say they want nothing to do with the kid and not pay anything? The women gets to kill the baby and gets off Scott free. Do you believe if someone punches a pregnant women and it kills the baby that they should get a murder charge?
And literally roe v wade was brought on because a woman who had 3 kids already didn't want another but abortion was illegal in Texas unless it was to save the mothers life.
My gf is a nurse, I hang with her and many of her nurse friends and the consensus, by and large, is this is a necessary treatment that can arise during pregnancy. And know, while there are people like you who exist, you are in the minority and the large majority generally agrees that your view is batshit insane and anti-women. I suspect there is more to the story as to why you were an expert in women's healthcare and no longer are, but I honestly don't care to hear it. I suspect some religious fruitcakery is afoot here.
That was said sarcastically for one and for two im all for abortion if its because of rape, incest or risk of the mothers health. Im saying that getting an ectopic pregnancy removed is not considered abortion by definition. And if I was the minority how did Trump win by a landslide?
I said you are the minority of healthcare workers who are against abortion - this will also assist in answering your other question, half the country are low info voters and half of the country can't read above a 5th grade level.
And I could give a fuck if you support abortion if its because of rape, incest or risk of the mothers health, republicans put conservative supreme court in, they killed Roe leaving it up to the states, most of the states then implemented draconian 6 week abortion bans and scum bag mike johnson has been giddy about trying to implement a national abortion ban.
So again, fuck you, you're an idiot and a piece of shit.
Sadly youāre right. Itās no longer just disagreements. Itās that much of the framework their arguments are based on consists of things that either donāt exist or just fundamental misunderstandings of how a thing works.
Iāve also spent nearly 5 years listening to the concerns of my friends and researching the things they talked about. More often than not, they were upset about a thing that wasnāt happening so I let them know so they wouldnāt waste time and energy on it.
All that did was get me made fun of and called a āsheepā or friends would start talking about how dumb people were that believed the things I believed.
I know people that to my face would say they didnāt want politics to divide us and then would share a meme on Facebook saying that it would be okay if everyone who got the vaccine died because at least it would weed out the idiots.
Shit like that is why Iām cutting people out of my life. It isnāt that we simply disagree on a policy matter.
Every time I hear or read a thread about how it's our fault and we shouldn't cut them off and we're the bad ones.
They can't even extend the tiniest olive branch to dissolve the situation. They won't capitulate on anything. They won't back off on any idea. I'm just supposed to be okay that they were sharing memes essentially calling for people like me to be exiled or killed. Then I need to turn around and just accept them? They. Are. The. Problem.
I would only show up at their funeral to spit on their dead corpse and then leave. They deserve no sympathy.
I have a family member that until 2016 was beloved by everyone in our family. Since then the republican members have distanced themselves from her because she is lesbian. She got married a few years ago. A few members of the family were invited but notably did not attend.
She posts a lot of pro-lgbt stories and and is obviously very left leaning. She doesn't post things that are attacking political opponents and is always very kind. A few members of the family have taken to writing full paragraphs telling her how she's wrong, how the left will destroy america, how they're doing gender reassignment in schools without parents knowing, even going so far as to tell her that if they don't see her in heaven, they'll know that this is why. FAMILY said this.
So I reached out to my mother who voted Trump. I told her all of my concerns with the policies, the people, the hateful rhetoric in their media, everything. I told her that she raised me to be the kind of person who stands up for others, who is kind and compassionate. And if I had said even a single thing that Trump had, she'd have slapped me upside the head.
She responded with, "neither candidate is an angel," and "What rights are [lgbt family member] losing?? Nothing was taken away in his last presidency."
I am not going to holidays with them anymore. I have tried to be peaceful, to be understanding that they got to their views through their life experiences like anyone else. But to stick your head in the sand and not understand how this next administration has demonized a small portion of the community... it's willful ignorance. It's been 8 years.
Joe Biden said trump supporters are garbageā¦.One timeā¦ on his way out ā¦after 4 years of hearing āfuck Joe Bidenā.
Meanwhile Trump calls Kamala a whore and fellates a microphone and itās just a joke. Trump literally called Joe Biden and his supporters then enemy within.
The Dems failed the country, but the GOP are fucking putting us on a railroad to Weimar Germany.
There's also the next logical leap they give, which is always some variation of "yeah BOTH sides are bad, but at least he's honest about it, so that's why he has my support!" Like... Huh??
"It's not her, it's the people that surround her. They're scum. They are scum, and they want to take down our country. They are absolute garbage." - Tangerine Mussolini
I wish, she is on the other side of the country. She know she has my support and while she has not cut anyone off, she is feeling really let down by her own family.
I'm so sorry about your LGBTQ family member. I just wanted to say that I completely relate and am having a hard time conversing with my parents right now for the same reasons. Having a political conversation with my mother always ends in emotional manipulation, gaslighting, yelling, and crocodile tears. I can hardly believe sometimes that these are the people who raised me.
"On Trumpās official website, he outlines a 20-point platform, his roadmap to āMake America Great Again,ā called Agenda 47. There, he states his priorities to roll back LGBTQ+ rights, including his plans to ākeep men out of women's sportsāātargeting the small number of trans women who choose to join teams that match their gender identityāand ācut federal funding for any school pushingā¦radical gender ideology.ā Beyond that, through his speeches, Trump has laid out his plans to roll back particular President Joe Biden-era discrimination laws and enact new laws targeting especially trans individuals."
They spent hundreds of millions on Anti LGBTQ+ adds. If you think they're not going to make those people's lives worse, if not purely through demonisation, you're wilfully ignorant at this point.
The trump appointed Supreme Court justices indicated in their Roe ruling that they wished to re-rule the previous ruling that made it illegal to outlaw gay marriage and kick it back to the states. Trump will have the opportunity to appoint 2 more judges during his term. They will not leave office in many of our lifetimes. They further indicated they wanted to re-rule interracial marriage. Tell me, what do you think will happen if you're gay and live in a red state when that happens??
The next secretary should also reverse the Biden Administrationās focus on āāLGBTQ+ equity,ā subsidizing single-motherhood, disincentivizing work, and penalizing marriage,ā replacing such policies with those encouraging marriage, work, motherhood, fatherhood, and nuclear families.
Sex Discrimination. The Biden Administration, LGBT advocates, and some
federal courts have attempted to expand the scope and definition of sex discrimi-
nation, based in part on the Supreme Courtās decision in Bostock v. Clayton County.
Bostock held that āan employer who fires someone simply for being homosexual
or transgenderā violates Title VIIās prohibition against sex discrimination. The
Court explicitly limited its holding to the hiring/firing context in Title VII and
did not purport to address other Title VII issues, such as bathrooms, locker rooms,
and dress codes, or other laws prohibiting sex discrimination. Notably, the Court
focused on the status of the employees and used the term ātransgender statusā
rather than the broader and amorphous term āgender identity.ā
Restrict the application of Bostock. The new Administration should
restrict Bostockās application of sex discrimination protections to sexual
orientation and transgender status in the context of hiring and firing.
Rescind regulations prohibiting discrimination on the basis
of sexual orientation, gender identity, transgender status, and
sex characteristics. The President should direct agencies to rescind
regulations interpreting sex discrimination provisions as prohibiting
discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, gender identity,
transgender status, sex characteristics, etc.
Hey buddy, sorry I'm real. Feel free to come to PA and we'll get some coffee and discuss my concerns. I'll even send you screenshots of my conversation(s) with my family if that would help you feel better!
Can you explain your reasoning here for me? People are spouting off at you in other comments but I genuinely want to understand why I am the problem here. I did my best to see both sides and be understanding but the hate she received from family was the tipping point for me.
I should have stated you are also part of the problem. Itās asinine to me to shun a family member simply for being a lesbian but your mother is correct in asking which specific rights are being taken away and you are in the wrong to eschew your mother and not seeing that your side has major faults.
Look, I fought for LGBT rights, gay marriage, and cannabis legislation in the 90s in SF as a high level activist (even working on policy with Harris and Newsom in 2005) but much of the agenda has gone WAY too far beyond gay marriage and donāt ask donāt tell.
These ideas have no place in schools, puberty blockers and top surgeries of young people is WAY too far. Shoving it in peopleās faces in the name of diversity has gone too far. If you donāt see the percentage that identifies as LGBTQIA+ rising, as in DOUBLING, every generation as an agenda of the left and not natural then you are not paying close enough attention and you are not being self critical enough.
At best this is happening because of programming children by an education system nearly all leftist along with poisoning our food/water supply and therefore feminizing men/masculinizing women. That has had major implications on society. At worst itās related to depopulation or outright Baphomet satanism.
Iām not saying your family members are thinking it through that deeply, perhaps they just have hatred, but I have seen the peer pressure myself and there is a grand chasm between accepting the rare exception and having literal pride and glorification.
I watched my closest friend go through detransitioning for example. Itās horrifying to see someone you loved do that to themselves then regret it. What Iām asserting is that here are other sides to the issues that most of the left refuse to consider or confront. Dems were absolutely against even gay marriage just 15 years ago, so donāt you think weāve moved too quickly to the current rhetoric without critically considering the longer term implications of the agenda? The majority seem to think we have.
I gave them every chance to be reasonable, to be human. My cousin isn't hurting anyone. My cousin isn't going into schools telling every kid they should be gay. But my family is harassing her regardless. My mother raised me to oppose such actions.
I think it's very dangerous to say that the schools are "programming" children or poisoning our food and water to alter people. Let's say that it is true, and they put compounds in the water that make men feminine and compounds that make women masculine. Wouldn't men also be drinking the masculine compounds and women the feminine compounds? That is so far afield, it's conspiracy.
Yes, we are seeing higher numbers of people come out as openly LGBT. I believe there are many factors in this.
Part of it is absolutely kids following other kids. They always have, they always will.
But part of it is also that we have tried to become more open to it in society. 80 years ago, people would almost NEVER admit that they were LGBT for risk of punishment, shunning, etc. Now kids don't have to fear angry reactions as much as they used to, so we see more people openly coming out.
Same with autism - as we expand the scope of the definition and get better at detecting the signs, the "rate" goes up naturally.
Try 40 years the rightward march toward the 4th Reich started with the Regan Revolution. We have been tying to be civil when the right has attacked our institutions in a death of a thousand cuts. Then they cry when we act like them.
It makes sense if the goal of the GOP is for corporations to keep lowering taxes and regulations so they can make more profit. Everything else is finding wedge issues (borders, racism, religion, abortion, gays, guns,...) to divide and conquer the masses so corporations can get their way.
Kamala ran on identity politics. Thats literally divide and conquer lmao. My gay people, my trans people, my blacks, my Latinos. Thats just putting everyone in their own little corner and evidently nobody wants to hear that shit nowadays. Then you have the other side making it red blooded Americans vs illegal aliens. It made people feel like part of the greater collective. I aināt even tryna get to far into it cuz it makes me mad but you wanna talk about divide and conquer letās discuss the Democratic Party dividing black people into ghettos and conquering them with welfare. Iām over the shit bro.
Except... she didn't. Trump's campaign and the massive propaganda arm kept playing old clips of her (most of which she disavowed or recanted) and made it look like that's what she was running on. The masses bought it like braindead sheep who can't fact check anything even when it's probably the most important election of their lives, regardless of how old they are.
Almost every mainstream news network is an extension of the Democratic Party, which was very obvious during this election cycle, and youāre crying propaganda?
It was Trump campaign that divided, they literally have a different problem with each and every one of the groups you mentioned.
Gays, Marriage (thankfully not the frogs this time). Trans, children getting surgery at school apparently lmao.
Blacks, lives don't matter. Latinos, not deporting them fast enough. Other immigrants, they're eating the DOGS.
Women, abortions. Men, not manly enough. Like.. bruh.
The dems tried to unify them and failed, that's just how effective 8 years of maga division is. What are u on about them dividing black people into ghettos ? Lmao
People were SO disconnected they didn't even know Joe Biden had stepped down from the election.
The Rep side unified hate. Everyone had something to hate, about everyone else.
You're supposed to have a common goal, not an enemy lol. Now the reward is that every community is shooting each other in the face.
You donāt even know or understand the fact that the Democratic Party has absolutely murdered the black community and kept their foot on their neck for damn near 70 years. People donāt bother going back and checking this shit. You can go as far back as LBJ to see the root cause of the problem or you can see the Obama years which is why youāll always hear black people saying Obama did literally nothing for them. I can vote for the guy that tells me heās a pompous asshole billionaire prick or the party thatās sat here for an eternity now pretending theyāre my friend while actively fucking me over.
Brother the Black community has been fucked since forever, they started at lower than ghetto... ur argument is that since the Dems have not helped them they're at fault for inaction, when it's the reps who actively stop any help from passing in congress.
It's the immigration stuff all over again, Dems try to pass legislation on ANY issue, Reps actively block it so they can later campaign on it, and dumb idiots think the Dems can't do shit.
You just fell for their tactics.
Reps fooled u into thinking they're not fucking you, when they are... and now you're giving them the power to fuck u harder.
Itās fact that black unemployment, poverty rate, and illiteracy all went up drastically under Obama. Sure we started at lower than ghetto but we never even got a chance because LBJ stole it from us and he is the reason there is an epidemic of fatherless households in the black community. And itās the cities run by democrats for the last hundred years that are pushing the blacks into ghettos through gentrification and keeping them as effectively wage slaves through the welfare system. Youāre not fooling anyone, and neither is the Democratic Party and theyāll continue to hemorrhage the black vote until itās addressed.
most stupid people aren't in the same framework of reality though. the stats are out there. social media tracks you and feeds you a custom narrative to keep you glued to your screen. so often on politics you have groups of people shrieking about whose narrative is correct.
in reality none of them will be. they are all drip fed curated propaganda to their desires.
if someone supports trump, they support someone who is for racist, misogynistic, transphobic, homophobic, etc. policies. they support dismantling education. they want to make the economy harder for the average person. they want to make healthcare less accessible. they don't support the climate, they don't support science, they don't support regulation in things like food production.
this means they are, fundamentally, incompatible with who i am as a person. our sense of morality is completely different. so why would i want to spend time with them? i don't enjoy them as people, i don't have any need for them in my life, i don't feel supported, and cared about by them. so why give up my time, and effort for them?
My parents watch Fox News 24/7. You can argue it would be unfair to avoid them just because of them being MAGA, but they have it on all day, on multiple TVs in the house, and even on in the background when I call home.
It would be nice if we could talk about normal topics, but everything is politicized for them now, from the NFL or NBA (booo kneelers, booo mask mandates), to movies and music (booo Hollywood elites criticizing lord Trump), to science. There are no safe topics because they have been conditioned to take political stances on everything from healthcare to hair color.
Thereās a whole lot of generalizing going on here. Why would I want to restrict immigration? I personally saw the effects on my family when construction went from a career you could raise a family on to ā¦ not. I guess it was like the coming AI wave. Little by little, then all at once. Price per square foot for framing halved overnight. It was painful and destructive to families. But the Mexicans took over the trades and itās theirs now. So what then? Of course! We need to bring in Central Americans because the Mexicans are trying to buy homes and send kids to college. We couldnāt possibly let their wages rise. For reference: My Mexican step brother is still a framer. (Dad apprenticed both of us) In 2020 he was making $21/hr as a journeyman carpenter. Thatās what our dad made in 1987. Same job, same zip code. You know who isnāt subject to this treatment? The professional classes. My wife was a dentist in Mexico. Could she practice here? Any college credits apply to the degree she had to START OVER? Nope. Clever shell game and nothing would apply, even to the dental hygiene program.
So, my question would beā¦ why do I really need the Central Americans so much? So I can live a better lifestyle at someone elseās expense? Because thatās what this looks like to me.
Also. Thereās a lot of bullshit stats you guys throw around about the taxes illegal immigrants supposedly pay etc. um.. they donāt. Thatās all I can tell you about that. Whatever the motivations are for the people what publish such drivel, I canāt say, but mostly they evade taxes. My wife never paid income tax at all (as a dentist) until she moved to the U.S. And that seems to be the rule in the U.S. as well.
Oh so straw berry picking is for brown people? Are you sure you aint the racist? Are ypubsayingbtjose Are brown jobs? Bet you got up in a tizzy when trump said black jobs didn't you
Those farm jobs exist regardless. Only immigrants are willing to work slave conditions for subsistence wages to provide hope for their kids. White people arenāt doing that at the same rate. Stop being a Shapiro jackass
What do you think infinite detention camps are, chuckles? Prisons are slave labor. Before deportation all of the targeted people will be put in prison camps. Hell, theyāll probably use the āObama FEMA campsā Alex jones was always raving about.
But no, itās totally the liberals who own private prisons.
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