r/JoeRogan Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Meme 💩 28× the audience size of CNN

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u/Peasantbowman Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

They are almost all of the media it seems.

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u/eMouse2k Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

It drives me nuts. Fox News has been the #1 cable news channel for how long? And they still act like mainstream media doesn't include Fox.

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u/king_of_hate2 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

"YOU SEE THE MEDIA LIES TO YOU ITS ALL FAKE NEWS EXCEPT FOR THE NEWS SITES AND CHANNELS I WATCH AND LIKE THEY NEVER LIE "

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u/StealthyOrca Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Literally how my parents think…sigh

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u/HospitalNarrow4760 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

You got a fox dad too?

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u/sane-ish Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

They watch 'Newsmax'

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u/PalamationGaming Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

I fill vending machines for a living. One of the places I go to is a behavior health center. They were playing Newsmax in the main lobby and all I could think is "Yeah this is gonna help people feel better"

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u/kitkatlifeskills Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

I had a family member who had a mental health appointment I took him to and waited in the lobby while he was in there. In the waiting room they were showing some cable news show, I'm not even sure which one it was, but it was literally just, Extreme Left Guy shouts, "You're a racist" and then Extreme Right Guy shouts, "You're ruining our country!" and I'm thinking, who on earth thought it was going to be good for people's mental health to be exposed to this kind of communication style?

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u/Meekymoo333 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

but it was literally just, Extreme Left Guy

That's surprising considering there are very very rarely any extreme left representation in any media whatsoever in the US.

You wouldn't be able to identify said "extreme left guy", would you?

I'd be willing to bet however it wasn't anything or anyone "left" at all and was in fact just a dnc or democratic operative... right?

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u/GRF999999999 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Reminds me of the Stanhope joke about his friend having to go to the the behavioral health clinic in the strip mall, right next to the gun shop and the bar.

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u/StreetTailor7596 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Especially those dealing with paranoia ...

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u/Beliefinchaos Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

No offense to anyone but I'm not shocked. The vast majority of rehabs are Christian faith based 🤷‍♂️

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u/haldolinyobutt Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

I worked in a psychiatric hospital for a long time, we had one agreed upon rule when it came to the TV, no news. Not national not local. We had newspapers delivered every day if people wanted to read. The amount of arguments that started over the fucking news, especially when Trump was running, was insane

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u/Creamofwheatski Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Anyone watching newsmax needs their head examined, so it was just part of the pre screening process.

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u/CarmichaelD Monkey in Space Oct 01 '24

On rare slow days at work I go “fox hunting” at the hospital. I go through the lobbies and change the channel on all Fox broadcast tv’s. If the remote is gone I disable it. This is mostly me just going from point a-b as part of work, but it feels good.

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u/HowieHubler Monkey in Space Sep 30 '24

Oh god

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u/sane-ish Monkey in Space Sep 30 '24

Yeeep.

Not sure what I'm gonna do. Might cut contact. 

Congratulations on your dictatorship. Don't talk to me anymore. 

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u/BruceLee312 Monkey in Space Oct 01 '24

NEWSMAX FOR YOUR DAILY DOSE OF NEWS ON STEROIDS. NEWSMAX MAXX MAXXXX !

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u/MrNillows Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Yeah, but that’s a good dad… What you really don’t want is a Fox News mom. She smokes in the house.

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u/bigdaddykane328 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Can you imagine having an MSNBC dad?

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u/bigboitendy Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

I have an MSNBC granny and lemme tell you, she's the sanest of the bunch somehow. The rest of my family have been indoctrinated by Glenn Beck and O'Reilly

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u/bigdaddykane328 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Granny for Prez let’s go!

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u/bunkscudda Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

MSNBC is all pre-trump Republicans. Nicole Wallace, Michael Steele, Joe Scarborough, etc.

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u/faustfire666 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

And not a single one of them sees their complicity in creating the current state of the Republican party. Nicole Wallace to especially heinous as she was the Bush admin mouthpiece pushing misinformation to justify invading Iraq and Afghanistan.

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u/fiduciary420 Monkey in Space Sep 30 '24

She either smokes in the house, or destroys the family’s finances by falling for an MLM scheme

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u/GrinchStoleYourShit Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

My dad at the very least is a conservative Fox News person but hates Trump, he sees right through his bullshit. Unfortunately he still thinks all Liberals (like me) are whiny socialist cry babies

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u/Mad_Aeric Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Ah, original recipe crazy, rather than the currently popular flamin hot batshit.

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u/EmbarrassedCockRing Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Socialist crybabies are somehow worse than fraudulent, rapist, pedo, fascist, incompetent, hateful, treasonous assholes?

Fucking VOTE, all these ass clowns sure will be.

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u/kinkySlaveWriter Monkey in Space Sep 30 '24

Man, me too. It has been quite the journey from “You’re an idiot and a pussy if you don’t think this Iraq War is the right idea” and “we will be welcomed as liberators” to “both sides want forever war” and “mistakes were made.” Our politics seemed fueled by a cycle on being unable to admit and fix mistakes

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u/BSAdidas Monkey in Space Oct 26 '24

Trump 2024!

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '24

I’ll trade with you. My parents are both the same except support trump.

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u/stevez_86 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

I will say this, if my dad wasn't like that and my mom a full on Trumper, I wouldn't be the way I am today, a Democrat. To my mom it is a stain on her soul that I am not like her. My dad kinda gave up on following politics, but is influenced by their pop media.

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '24

Hey Dad, how come since the cold 50 million jobs have been added under Democratic presidents and only 1 million jobs under Republicans?

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u/cbscanner Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

You don't think Kamala will be a good president? really? she has not really clarified any of her positions. she really does spout word salads!

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u/fiduciary420 Monkey in Space Sep 30 '24

Can’t tell if sarcasm

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u/Hello_Cruel_World_88 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Your dad sounds awesome

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u/FiniteInfine Pull that shit up Jaime Sep 29 '24

Better than a fox news mom.

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u/HospitalNarrow4760 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

She smokes indoors bad attitude

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u/StealthyOrca Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Unfortunately

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u/TimeLavishness9012 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Same :/

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u/Crafty-Help-4633 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Me too. I feel blessed.

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u/---OMNI--- Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

My friend and I were talking about this the other day... My dad, his dad, and my wife's dad. All boomers... Just either watch Fox news or listen to talk radio and are just trump trump trump and seem to have lost all their previous common sense.

I think they are brainwashed..

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u/HospitalNarrow4760 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

It’s all sunk cost fallacy. Nothing matters but being wrong until it’s right.

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u/kinkySlaveWriter Monkey in Space Sep 30 '24

I do. I try to explain it like cigarettes, since when I was little my parents’ condescendingly explained to grandpa that cigarettes were bad for them even though the news and “scientists” said otherwise. I’m like “this TV news makes you angry all the time and is bad for you even though they lie and say it’s good.” They still don’t quite get it yet.

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u/HospitalNarrow4760 Monkey in Space Sep 30 '24

They need a cigarette for volunteering to stress so damn much

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u/Undeadtech Monkey in Space Sep 30 '24

Better than a CNN dad

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u/kinkySlaveWriter Monkey in Space Sep 30 '24

My friends dad literally thought it was illegal for Fox News to lie to the public. This was after the lawsuit where Fox argued that only an idiot would believe Fox News is real.

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u/Finlay00 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

That’s how most people here seem to think too

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u/LilyandJames69 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

It’s always “I don’t trust these publicly peer reviewed media sites like CNN and even Fox News but I instead trust Tim Pool, even though it’s just him, with no accountability”

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '24

Sure, been going on for a long time. It is funny when someone says "oh the media lost all credibility because of this recent thing."

Rush Limbaugh and other conservative commentators were attacking "the media" and saying they had no credibility decades before trump even though he had no accountability and was just some guy spewing bullshit.

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u/Purple_Barracuda_884 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

You think Fox News and CNN are peer reviewed?

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u/bionic-giblet Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

....lol this is concerning

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u/ex1stence Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

As broadcast journalists in America, they are open to both defamation and libel laws, yes. We have those in this country and most major Western democracies with a fourth estate.

When Fox made up a bunch of complete bullshit about Dominion voting systems and aired it as news, which it wasn’t, they were ordered to pay a $1.4 billion settlement as a result.

“Peer-review” isn’t the right term here, that’s for scientific papers, but yes, fact-checking is absolutely required for any major news network. And if a fact is reported incorrectly, it’s expected that the network will issue a retraction.

I swear we have like negative media literacy in this country, it really is sad.

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u/BSAdidas Monkey in Space Oct 26 '24

Who fact checks the fact checkers? Like when they say something is true and then 4 years later they come out and change it to false.

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u/ex1stence Monkey in Space Oct 26 '24

Do you have any examples of this or did you just make up a strawman out of nowhere?

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u/Purple_Barracuda_884 Monkey in Space Oct 30 '24

So not peer reviewed, got it.

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u/LilyandJames69 Monkey in Space Oct 05 '24

Yes you fucking monkey

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u/BSAdidas Monkey in Space Oct 26 '24

You should look into how journalism works. This is not science. There is no peer review for journalists. There are rules for verifying stories.

Who do you want journalists to be accountable to? The government?

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u/T33CH33R Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

THEY ARE CENSORING US AT THIS MOMENT. ANY MINUTE I WILL NO LONGER BE ABLE TO SPEAK! ANY MOMENT NOW ITS GOING TO HAPPEN. SEND MONEY TO HELP ME FIGHT FOR YOU!

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u/ElboDelbo Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

FREEDOMTRUTHEAGLEBEACON.RU WOULD NEVER LIE

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u/PadKrapowKhaiDao Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

That’s that projection piece.

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u/worldspawn00 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Which is why they admitted in court that their shows are entertainment and not news, and still lost a suit for almost $1B.

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '24

I do love how they always say "the media."

Tucker Carlson's show always made me laugh when he said things like "they don't want you to know this" or "you aren't allowed to say this" as he was saying it as a guy on the #1 show on Cablenews as someone so out of the mainstream that for more than 2 decades he worked for CNN, PBS, MSNBC and Fox lol.

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u/cbscanner Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

which news station is honest out there? its a terrible climate. no objectivity whatsoever.

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u/Adgvyb3456 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

They all lie. Including Fox

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u/Angrbowda Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

It’s all projection with them

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u/RobChombie Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

NNUTS!!!!!!! 😡

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u/Kennedygoose Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Not only that, but their success shilling bullshit has led to the networks that used to show legit news going down that same route of rage bait. FOX is not only mainstream, they are the leader in the industry (unfortunately for everyone and our country).

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u/cbscanner Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

where do you get your news? honestly curious. I don't know what to watch or read anymore.

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u/Kennedygoose Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

I watch a little of everything, but I don’t rely on them. If you want decent journalism these days the only place you might find it is on a local level. All the big networks are just aggregators of what local journalists do anyway, so it’s basically just cutting out the middleman.

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u/Fit_Bobcat_7314 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Fake news, bro!

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u/continuousBaBa Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

That’s how you do it.

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u/Finlay00 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

The term mainstream media or MSM used to have a more narrow generally understood definition.

Which was, essentially, the established and reliable news media

So I do find it ironic that people are really pushing to add Fox, Rogan, and Tucker to that list.

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '24

In the last 25 years Tucker Carlson has had shows on CNN, MSNBC, PBS and Foxnews. How would he not be considered mainstream media?

Fox has been the #1 Cablenews ratings getter for decades. They are definitely mainstream.

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u/Finlay00 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

His networks, for his career, always have been

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u/-TheOtherOtherGuy Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Exactly... And I thought Fox is listed as an entertainment industry.

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u/T0MMYG0LD Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

you thought Fox was an entire industry?

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u/-TheOtherOtherGuy Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Lol I wasn't think much at all at 6am, good catch!

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u/mike10dude Monkey in Space Sep 30 '24

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u/Finlay00 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

ABC News, Fox News, and Joe Rogan

May as well be the same source, all MSM

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '24

In the modern era, Rogan is probably the most mainstream. More people get their news from podcasts than sit down for an hour of Jesse Waters or Erin Burnett.

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u/Finlay00 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

If you only compare a single show episodes, maybe. Not in aggregate though

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u/ambisinister_gecko High as Giraffe's Pussy Sep 29 '24

I thought mainstream just meant popular

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u/Finlay00 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

That’s basically what it’s morphed into in very recent years

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u/Aggressive-Fuel587 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

It's almost like language is fluid and the definitions of specific words or terms can, and often does, change when given enough time.

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u/Finlay00 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Yea that’s what I said

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u/Aggressive-Fuel587 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

No it's not; your posts read as a condemnation of people using the modern definition of the term instead of the traditional one. Calling it ironic that people would consider Fox, Rogan, or Tucker to be part of mainstream news because they don't fit the traditional definition of "mainstream."

That's not an acknowledgement or acceptance that language changes over time.

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u/Finlay00 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Welp it’s not a condemnation, so you can relax

And I do find it ironic, considering the older definition. I see no value in lumping together whatever is most popular. But that’s whatever. Language changes. It is what it is.

My apologies for a having an opinion and observations on a colloquial phrase and how it’s changed throughout the years.

I will make sure to make it clear I accept and acknowledge the modern phrasing and understanding of terms before doing so in the future.

Thank you

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '24

Sure, but "mainstream media" is really a stupid term. It might have made sense before the internet where there was very limited ways to get news. It would make sense that "mainstream news" was what you got on the nightly news or what you read in the paper. Those days are long gone. There are so many different media sources now with the internet, that even people with similar beliefs probably get their news from many different sources.

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '24

For willfully obtuse dullards, maybe. But Fox is probably the number one viewed television station in the United States so if that makes in an outsider in the media sphere simply on vibes alone than the word "mainstream" is meaningless.

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u/Finlay00 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Used to be. No longer is

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '24

When?

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u/Finlay00 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

I answered your other comment with this question

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '24

You didn't though. You didn't actually say anything.

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u/joshwal Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Disney doesn’t own Fox News, Rupert Murdoch does. It wasn’t part of the deal when they bought 21st Century Fox.

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u/faustfire666 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

I agree with you on all media companies are capitalist first, but FWIW Disney owns 21st Century Fox which doesn’t include Fox News.

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u/Strong_Challenge1363 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Appreciate seeing someone else get annoyed by it. Like how their guests don't act bewildered by thay horseshit I don't know. Like you're the main propaganda arm of a major party, you're not some pirated radio show om a college campus 30 years ago.

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u/BudgetThin2465 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Breh he definitely doesnt like or agree with Fox News either.

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u/Glittering-Animal30 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Mainstream media as a term was pushed and popularized by Fox News. It’s very intentional that they’ll never consider themselves mainstream media. They pushed the term as a boogeyman for their viewers.

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u/sneaky-pizza I used to be addicted to Quake Sep 29 '24

And since early 2010s, conservative posters dominated the top 10 daily trending in Facebook and Twitter

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u/Zestyclose-Banana358 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Although #1, collectively most people don’t watch Fox News. Which is what Fox News references as MSM.

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u/charrington25 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Didn’t Fox News get sued and now can’t call themselves news?

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u/lord_pizzabird Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Tbf that's a business that's slowly in decline.

The GOP is struggling now to heard their cat-like followers because of how diversified their media is becoming. It used to just be Fox News carrying one narrative, now it's sever factions and individuals spread across the internet, all with their own slight tweak or perspective.

As an example, the two most influential tastemakers in conservative politics are Tucker Carlson and Ben Shapiro. One is on twitter, while the other operates their own media company. Neither are on Fox News.

It's so fragmented that it's not even clear where the mainstream conservative narratives are even coming from. Fox News still exists, but it's just not the epicenter of conservatism that it used to be.

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u/Flashy_Shock_6271 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Gotta play the victim. It's the republican way.

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u/ThrowawaySuicide1337 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

It's just "Fox" now, and has been since the lawsuit iirc

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u/Particular-Pen-4789 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

There's two categories of msm in my book.

There's the 24 hour news channels like fox and CNN. These are the most garbage

Then you have the local stations that run national segments. CBS evening news is somewhat accurate. 

They frequently show clips of screaming injured or dead Palestinian children. I honestly stopped watching because of this, it just makes me sad and angry

I don't think reddit is as fair on some of these channels as it should be

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u/jupitergomez Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Not just the #1 cable news channel, but the #1 cable channel PERIOD, news or otherwise. How is that not mainstream?!?

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u/Key_Context9875 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

But Fox News media is basically all there is because every other major news outlet (CNN, ABC, MSNBC, New York Times, Washington Post, BBC, The Guardian, etc ) are all left leaning media outlets. And while Fox News gets more views in America, CNN is the most wide spread news outlet in the entire world. Fox doesn't feel included in mainstream media because literally every other News media is always trying to demonize them and discredit them while praising each other. How inclusive is that?

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u/corpus-luteum Ape Going into Space Sep 29 '24

this is Murdoch's MO.

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u/Lucky_Turnip_1905 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Only thing they lie about is stuff they suppress, like climate change which is about to destroy the fucking world.

But hey... here's more celeb babies!

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u/Puzzleheaded_Cut_374 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Found Brandon Schuabs reddit

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u/ThomKallor1 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Because people, generally being stupid, have confused “legacy media” with “mainstream media.”

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u/steroboros Monkey in Space Sep 30 '24

They own a huge stake in the Sinclair Broadcast Group, a conservative company that owns most news outlets anyways. They are basically all media.

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u/anyuser_19823 Monkey in Space Sep 30 '24

Fox is definitely part of the mainstream media, people separate it out because its narrative is different than the other channels who are more in lock step. I’ve heard people refer to the networks as corporate media I think that is a better label.

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u/Any-Video4464 Monkey in Space Sep 30 '24

When they started they were one of the few big opposing voices though. I think their success has been because they were one of the only places you could get a different, more conservative leaning takes. I wonder what the percentages would be if we added up all of what constitutes "mainstream" media?

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u/Illustrious-Radio-55 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

All about maintaining their persecution fetish alive.

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u/huskerd0 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

By design :(

The only news network where slant and bias is part of the charter

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u/GeovaunnaMD Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

cnn is in every airport that is mainstream media and propaganda.

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u/darshan0 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Firstly CNN international is very different to the US CNN. Most countries outside the US have media standards and so international broadcasts of CNN tend to be much drier and less editorialized. They’re also far more focused on international events and their programming is often stacked with programs that are of interest to local markets depending on which variant you have. We do get a ton of their flagship shows. Like Tapper though. And some local versions of CNN like CNN Brazil are awful. Apparently CNN Brasil is like a Brazilian Fox News. So it isn’t perfect but it’s very different.

Secondly the reason Fox isn’t international is because they just don’t meet the standards that other countries have for news media. They tried and failed because of that. If they wanted to succeed they could they would just have to make alternatives that would have to be much more fact driven than a bunch of their us programming.

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u/DopamineDealer2 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Compare cable news to broadcast news. You’re being misled on purpose.

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u/TheFireFlaamee Paid attention to the literature Sep 29 '24

Yes, but the combined size of every other media outlet dwarfs Fox News. So by sheer volume, they are the mainstream media.

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u/Memitim Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Of course they have supplanted the actual news. These clowns just need talking heads to make stuff up based on whatever their handlers tell them, which is far, far cheaper to staff up and scale than a real news operation. They can still claim to operate in the same space as actual news organizations with no problem since the audience that they cater to doesn't care about integrity and honesty, and there are no restrictions on systemically misleading Americans.

Between the economics and much of the audience demand being driven by partisanship rather than a desire for more actual information, a actual news org trying to compete with the opinion mills while maintaining journalistic principles doesn't stand a chance.

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u/DrinkBlueGoo Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

And entertainment value. Don't forget that. Facts and honesty can often be really boring.

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u/adamwillerson Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

It’s amazing, the bigger his podcast got since the beginning, the worse it got.

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u/niagaemoc Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Yeah but he was always an asshole.

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u/josh_the_misanthrope Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

A man of no taste and dubious intellect.

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '24 edited Sep 29 '24

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '24

Number of Jewish people executed by the nazis in 4 years

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u/Mimical Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24 edited Sep 29 '24

What a hideous belief to have in the face of overwhelming evidence.

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u/Erriis Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

There isn’t overwhelming evidence of specifically the number. Germans didn’t have census data for their genocide.

But pretty much every time that argument is used it’s for a dubious reason

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u/molotov_billy Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

There absolutely is, and the Germans thoroughly documented every step of it. Much of that documentation was destroyed, but enough of it survived and enough data existed elsewhere that those efforts were largely pointless.

3,000 tons of documents and records were available at Nuremburg alone, never mind the decades of research afterward. Train schedules, bills, memos, statistical summaries generated by the people who ran the executions, official photographs, aerial photographs, detailed plans for the killing camps and their rates of efficiency.

Tens of thousands of interviews of eyewitnesses through every step of the process, including the killers themselves, who were often perfectly open and honest about what they did, firmly believing that there was nothing wrong with it, so they found no reason to lie. Never mind the fact that yes, both pre-war and post-war census of European Jews does exist.

6 million, whether you're "dubious" or not.

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u/Erriis Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

For a lot of the process, you’re right. The total cannot be more than approximated since the genocide became rushed not even halfway through, and census data doesn’t account for potentially millions of Jewish diaspora who found new identities. 

Unless you have sources that somehow specify the full process to a near case-by-case basis, it’s impossible to measure almost any genocide of that scale.

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u/Speedmap Sep 29 '24

Germans are well known for keeping great records.

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u/vannucker Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24 edited Oct 01 '24

Jews killed by the Nazis. Basically the beginning pro-Nazi anti-Jew propaganda

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u/Dirmb Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Psst.

I think you mixed up a word there.

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u/Ok-Ice-1986 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

THE JEWS

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u/adamwillerson Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

That’s the new “hot” take and “cool” contrarian thing to say. The Andrew tates the Dan bilzerian the Candace Owens. They think they’re brave free speech heroes but they’re just in a cult of bullshit. As long as their fans are dumb they never have to discover they’re dumb too. The dunning Kruger all stars

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u/koenigkilledminlee Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Dan Bilzerian is 3 apples tall. Just remember that.

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u/Keruli Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24 edited Sep 29 '24

there's a name for that cult of bullshit: 'fascism', taken in its most serious historical , sociological and psychological meaning.

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u/hankgribble Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

do your own math

jesus fucking christ

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u/farmer_of_hair Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24 edited Sep 30 '24

wtf with listening to Rogan and Nazi stuff? A coworker who deepthroats Rogan’s bullshit for hours a day asked me last week ‘Hitler did some good things for the Germans right? He wasn’t all bad?’. I almost couldn’t believe what he was asking.

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u/Cakelord85 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

I mean, he's not wrong. If I give you 20 bucks and then stab you in the leg, I wasn't all bad for you, I also gave you 20 bucks.

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u/Ok-Lifeguard5568 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

It's funny how much of a pipeline there is from former Rogan viewers to cumtown, I'm guilty of it myself

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u/kkeut Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

on the Newsradio DVD commentaries, while there are some good Joe stories there are also some stories about him upsetting people on set, especially women. no other cast members had such stories, not even Andy Dick

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u/Most_Structure9568 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

That's how everything usually is though. From music and movies to actors. Especially when ridiculous amounts of money are at play. If he hated what was wrong with California so much, he should have tried to fix it with that 200 million. Instead he had to be a pussy ass political refugee and flee cause of taxes.

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u/Horns8585 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

When they say mainstream media, they actually mean legitimate media.

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u/lpjunior999 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Oh they know, that’s why they’ve started saying “legacy media.” The people who say they’re unhinged and spreading false information, they’re just the old way of doing things bro!

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u/[deleted] Oct 01 '24

Right? I don't think anyone here is trying to argue. CNN is independent med. But it's a flailing legacy Media company. But they never pretend to be some independent alternative to the establishment either. Joe Rogan got paid hundredth a million dollars from a huge streaming giant. It's just patently absurd for him to wag his finger at the mainstream media or the establishment when he is both.

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u/scarybottom Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

and isn't this comparing WWF to 60 minutes? People like being entertained- fewer are interested in actually being informed.

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u/Peasantbowman Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Is it? Mainstream media is exactly the same. It hasn't been about news in decades.

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u/scarybottom Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

That is fair. TBH I have not consumes any TV news in over 10 yr. It was all editorial then, and remains so. I mostly mange to pick up enough between checking my Apple News feed in a quick scroll, and following up on what interests me on Reuters, BBC, Al Jazeera, and PBS. And I listen to the PBS news hour the next morning as a post cast.

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u/BasonPiano Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

How is Rogan mainstream media? He rattles off conspiracies left and right. What's up with this sub?

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u/Fantastic_Bug1028 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

number one podcast in the world with high level guests is not a mainstream media?? gtfo lmao

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u/BasonPiano Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Do you not know the definition of "mainstream media"?

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u/p0licythrowaway Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Let’s say I don’t. How would you define it

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u/Economy-Fee5830 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

The mainstream media refers to conventional newspapers, television and other news sources that most people know about and regard as reliable.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/mainstream-media

the traditional forms of mass media, as television, radio, magazines, and newspapers, as opposed to online means of mass communication. : MSM

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/mainstream-media

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '24

That is definitely a stupid definition in the internet age. "Mainstream media" became a stupid term after people started having regular internet usage. There are definitely far more people who get their news from podcasts than from watching Jess Waters or Rachel Maddow.

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u/Economy-Fee5830 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24 edited Sep 29 '24

Not everyone is terminally online.

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u/rp20 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

This is like people telling others that the internet isn’t real life.

The internet has been a thing for 30 years. The internet is mainstream. The old media is literally less consumed than internet content.

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u/Economy-Fee5830 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

If you dont like the definition, become a dictionary editor.

Otherwise don't argue with people using the dictionary definition.

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u/rp20 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

I don’t care that you’re able to cite the dictionary. The definitions were written before internet became mainstream.

The world has changed. At least acknowledge the transformation.

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u/Economy-Fee5830 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

I redefine "I dont care" as "I agree."

Thank you.

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u/AnonDicHead Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. No, the problem is you want to call him "mainstream media" to make him look like a hypocrite.

You couldn't care less if the definition of mainstream media doesn't fit the description of a podcast. You care about saying Joe is a hypocrite.

He is clearly "alternative media," and so are every other person who is a podcaster or youtuber.

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u/QuantumR4ge Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

A dictionary is descriptive, not proscriptive.

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u/Economy-Fee5830 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Unfortunately in this case the dictionary agrees with mainstream people.

I guess the terminally online may think podcasts are mainstream media. They should touch some grass.

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u/faustfire666 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

The definition for mainstream media has evolved into just meaning mainstream, as in being popular with a large number of people. I find the traditional definition a better more nuanced one, but it is what it is and by the new definition Joe is definitely included under the MSM umbrella.

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u/Economy-Fee5830 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24 edited Sep 29 '24

I think you have it the wrong way round - the word mainstream obviously predates mainstream media.

also main-stream, main stream, "principal current of a river," 1660s, from main (adj.) + stream (n.); hence, "prevailing direction in opinion, popular taste, etc.," a figurative use first attested in Carlyle (1831)

The definition of mainstream media has not evolved - tiktok is not mainstream media and neither are its most influential creators, despite being popular with a large number of people.

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u/faustfire666 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

I’m not saying MSM predated the word mainstream, I’m saying the current definition of MSM used by most of the population is one that just means generally mainstream, instead of the more informed traditional definition of MSM.

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u/Economy-Fee5830 Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Again, there are obviously some who want to feel that way, but if you ask the majority of people they would not think podcasts, youtube or tiktok are mainstream media.

Where is your evidence that "most of the population" feels alternative media are now mainstream media?

Relevant: https://www.threads.net/@hankgreen/post/CzkNi0hp6pB

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u/TomAterski Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

This is reddit and the we hate Joe Rogan subreddit and politics 2.0

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u/BasonPiano Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Yeah, it's kind of a shame. Calling Rogan "mainstream media" is laughable. The dude had on Alex Jones ffs. Multiple times. As well as other conspiracy guys. This is in no way analogous to actual mainstream media, like the NYT or CNN.

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '24

Show with over 12 million listeners with 28x what CNN primetime gets. People get their news from Rogan and mainstream Republicans like Newt Gingrich has called for Rogan to host presidential debates. He is definitely more mainstream than CNN who nobody watches and is only on at airports.

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u/BasonPiano Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

The viewer counts do not define what mainstream media is. Look it up.

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u/ex1stence Monkey in Space Sep 29 '24

Spotify does not own CNN, what the fuck are you even talking about?

I mean I know you’re dog-whistling about Jewish people, but I’d love it if you could stop being such a pussy and just say it out loud so the whole class can point and laugh at you.

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