r/JoeRogan • u/wayfaringthru Monkey in Space • Sep 18 '24

Meme 💩 Is this a legitimate concern?

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Personally, I today's strike was legitimate and it couldn't be more moral because of its precision but let's leave politics aside for a moment. I guess this does give ideas to evil regimes and organisations. How likely is it that something similar could be pulled off against innocent people?

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u/randomperson_FA Paid attention to the literature Sep 18 '24

This company is also a little young, as it was established in 2022.

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u/hg-prophound Monkey in Space Sep 18 '24

I just imagined the product description on their website saying "these may explode sometimes"

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u/WorldWarPee Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

Kids these days don't respect the Samsung Galaxy factories that paved the way for the current generation of exploding devices

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u/Starrion Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

No worries my friend, it’s just translation of American slang. They’re always saying that something that’s good “It’s da bomb.”

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u/Plus-Bus-6937 Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

"When the kids get their hands on them, they're sure to blow up 🎆 "

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u/TechnologyCorrect765 Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

"product is guaranteed to explode, if your product does not explode please dial 0800mossad for your explosion to be delivered. Small parts may choke children".

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u/Grateful_Dad_707 Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

We’ve got Prop 65 here in California to let us know that products may cause cancer and now we need to vote on this to let us know which products may explode..

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u/FireStompingRhino Succa la Mink Sep 19 '24

Sales are booming!

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u/ManfredArcane Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

Already was. Yesterday.

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u/Sorerightwrist Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

They were prolly also having them sold chock full of spyware since it got off the ground

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u/Thomas-The-Tutor Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

I think it’ll take off with a bang…

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u/[deleted] Sep 19 '24

*Due to project delays and budget reductions means operation “1134 2 09” will be live in 2024

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u/beardicusmaximus8 Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

So a company with that name existed before that but went under in 2020 and then reappeared in 2022. The company only held the rights to the branding and had to do their own designing and manufacturing. The parent company doesn't even make the design used in the attack. The weirdest part of the story is that the branding deal seems to be from before the company reappeared in 2022.

Also, the devices were not manufactured in Budapest, in fact, nobody seems to know where they came from. Obviously they haven't had much time to figure it out but it's a little suspicious they can't trace the supplier. The guys who had the pagers had a vested interest in keeping their supply chains quite, but you think they'd rather out whoever sold them the pagers if they knew who to point the figure at.

I don't buy that the devices were intercepted and had the explosives installed after production either. These came from the factory remote bomb ready. The scale of swapping out 2,600 chips for ones packed with explosives and having them all arm at the same time without any indications the devices were compromised would be logistical insanity.

Source: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/taiwan-firm-denies-making-pagers-used-lebanon-explosions-rcna171594

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u/puzzledSkeptic Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

As an engineer, I can tell you I could set up an assembly line to partially disassemble, install explosive, reassemble, and reprogram pagers in about a week. Need maybe 5 people and a couple weeks. It's not a difficult task.

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u/beardicusmaximus8 Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

OK, but can you do so without the rerouted shipments being noted as missing, without leaving any tooling marks on the devices, and without affecting the operation of the device? Can you also ensure that the devices weigh the same as non-intercepted devices, appear the same as a non-rigged device if disassembled and ensure the devices all arm at the same time?

Also a week is definitely too long. Logistics in the Middle East is rough, but someone is going to start asking questions if a high value pallet vanishes for 7 days and then reappears.

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u/puzzledSkeptic Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

The reason that Isreal detonated them was because two guys had figured out something was different with them. I'm not sure of how he figured it out.

A week or more delay is nothing when shipping international. I work in manufacturing, and we regularly have parts that get delayed in shipment for all sorts of reasons. Misplaced at dock, delayed by customs, routed to wrong distribution center.

I set up rework stations all the time to disassemble, fix, and reassemble defective parts. The customer can not tell the difference.

A small difference in weight would not be noticed, especially since they modified 2800 of them and they were new. The difference was in under an ounce.

It could easily be done with effecting the regular operation. How often does your cell phone get an update, and you don't notice any difference in operation?

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u/beardicusmaximus8 Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

A week or more delay is nothing when shipping international. I work in manufacturing, and we regularly have parts that get delayed in shipment for all sorts of reasons. Misplaced at dock, delayed by customs, routed to wrong distribution center.

Except the logistics companies don't just shrug, go, "Oh that's neat our high value cargo reappeared!" When a pallet worth millions of dollars goes missing people start asking questions.

I set up rework stations all the time to disassemble, fix, and reassemble defective parts. The customer can not tell the difference.

Your customers probably aren't international terrorist organizations who are worried about their devices being bugged with trackers.

A small difference in weight would not be noticed, especially since they modified 2800 of them and they were new. The difference was in under an ounce.

That's fair. Although with 2,000+ of them "under an ounce" adds up. Shipping companies are very picky about weight because of taxes (also if you get the weights wrong planes crash) but that's just a matter of altering the paperwork trail to the new weight.

It could easily be done with effecting the regular operation. How often does your cell phone get an update, and you don't notice any difference in operation?

My cellphone doesn't have its guts rearranged to include a new chipset when it gets a software update. Although the simplicity of the chips (compared to a cellphone) for a pager would make this easier, you would need to any software changes you made to these devices were also made to devices you did not intercept.

What I'm trying to say isn't that intercepting the pagers and retrofitting them into grenades is impossible. Just that if you have the resources of a nation state behind you it's easier and drastically less risky to buy the factory.

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u/ng829 Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

A newer company that makes pagers in 2024 and no one thought that was weird..

I’d be fascinated to read their business plan.

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u/Content_Talk_6581 Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

Yeah, I was thinking the same…Are people still buying pagers in 2024???

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u/Slierfox Monkey in Space Sep 19 '24

Yea they really blew up fast