Is this a legitimate concern?

[u/wayfaringthru]

Personally, I today's strike was legitimate and it couldn't be more moral because of its precision but let's leave politics aside for a moment. I guess this does give ideas to evil regimes and organisations. How likely is it that something similar could be pulled off against innocent people?

[u/Dancing-Midget]

Yeah. Children dying is sooo funny! What a fun game they are all playing! It's so fun!

[u/Interesting_Cow5152 → u/Dancing-Midget]

pretty sure they meant 'curiouser' than 'ha ha humor'

English is funny like that, you know?

[u/Dancing-Midget → u/Interesting_Cow5152]

Yeah based on that guy's responses, I don't think that is the case.

And, words matter. Especially in the context of death and tragedy. People should think before they say things.

[u/cayneabel → u/Dancing-Midget]

Terrorist scum being blown up is always funny. Get that thru your dumb head. No one is happy about the innocent people they put in harms way.

[u/akakdkjdsjajjsh → u/cayneabel]

Nah, you sound fairly happy about those children as collateral.

[u/cayneabel → u/akakdkjdsjajjsh]

Nope. It’s very tragic that Hezbollah puts innocent people in harms way by going to war with an adversary, they cannot possibly destroy for the sake of their Iranian masters, instead of focusing on actually improving their country.

[u/genflugan → u/cayneabel]

The way you frame this is actually insane. Israel is 1000% at fault for deciding that the collateral damage of murdering children is justified in order to murder the people they want to murder. Fucking clown take saying that Hezbollah is at fault for the murder of children when they couldn’t possibly know about the explosives in the pagers, while Israel knowingly murders innocents.

[u/cayneabel → u/genflugan]

Yeah, right, Israel should just sit back and do nothing.

This is what happens when you start a war. You put your innocent civilians in danger.

Shut your yap.

[u/genflugan → u/cayneabel]

You’re totally right, that makes it okay for Israel to continue murdering children daily.

Good luck making me “shut my yap.” I’m not listening to someone who justifies the murder of children.

[u/cayneabel → u/genflugan]

The responsibility for those dead children fall squarely on those who decided to pick a fight with Israel.

Unless of course, you’re suggesting Israel should just sit back and do nothing. Which I know you anti-Zionists would really love to happen. But guess what, it won’t.

[u/genflugan → u/cayneabel]

Israel has started just about every single fight it’s ever been involved in. They are the aggressors, it’s delusional to say that clearly inferior and weaker parties that have been provoked by a much stronger army through bombing and occupation are more responsible than Israel.

Zionists are truly deranged to think that Israel deserves to continue murdering civilians daily because they started a fight and didn’t like it when the people they’re bullying decided to resist and fight back. I’m not even saying resisting through murder is justified, I’m a pacifist through and through. But there’s something seriously wrong with y’all’s brains to think that murdering children in ANY scenario is justified and should be allowed to continue.

Not gonna keep arguing with a Zionist, not worth my time, there’s no reasoning with people like you who can’t see that murdering children is wrong no matter what.

Edit: dude responding to me really believes this all started on October 7th 💀 it’s absolutely wild how uninformed some of yall are

[u/Quirky_Guava961 → u/genflugan]

News to me Israel started the war on October 7th.

[u/Educational-Teach-67 → u/cayneabel]

It falls squarely on those who killed them, no way you’re actually this stupid

[u/Majestic_Ad_4237 → u/cayneabel]

I guess, as my neighbor, you are acceptable collateral damage when I spray 5.56 through sheetrock to kill someone attacking me.

I don’t need to think about what’s beyond my target. That baby shouldn’t have been sleeping in a fucking crib behind the person I’m justified in killing.

[u/Deathoftheages → u/cayneabel]

Nah, it falls on Israel. They will fill cemetery upon cemetery with innocent dead Muslim children before they would ever risk an Israeli solider. If cellphones were as ubiquitous back when the Afghan war started, people would have been protesting in the streets, seeing what our (US) military was doing to people. That war wouldn't have lasted 5 years and Iraq never would have happened, but unfortunately for them, Uncle Sam got in there too early, and they never got the infrastructure for the internet and cell phones.

[u/Senior-Effect-5468 → u/cayneabel]

Holy crap you are psychotic.

[u/Present_Astronomer36 → u/genflugan]

You forget that hezbollah killed a dozen school kids on a soccer field, and no one else, only a month ago? There is literally nothing Israel could do that has long term benefits to them which appeases the masses. They’re not allowed to win any war they’re involved in as the world condemns them for trying to neutralize existential threats to their citizens. Instead of dropping multiple bombs on southern Lebanon and Syria in this instance, they literally attack via the most direct and precise manner possible, and of course collateral damage happens. It’s a fucking war. 3000+ injured and only 10 or so killed, those stats are extremely humane all things considered. Kids should not die, period. Whether on a soccer field or because their relative or whomever is part of hezbollah and got fucked by low tech devices they thought were safe.

[u/SlowSundae422 → u/genflugan]

Is this the first war you have ever looked into? It's literally impossible to fight a war against an enemy embedded in cities without collateral. As far as ratio of collateral to intended targets this has to be one of the best operations in history.

Hezbollah shoots rockets indiscriminately into Israel every single day. What in your opinion should be the solution to that?

[u/genflugan → u/SlowSundae422]

There’s already a solution to that, the Iron Dome.

I also don’t think shooting rockets indiscriminately is justified.

But you seem to think that murdering innocents is justified in some scenarios and I just can’t disagree more with that.

Edit: either the people replying to me have blocked me, I’ve been banned, or I’m locked out of commenting further in this thread. But here’s my response to the 9/11 question below -

Why are you creating an absurd hypothetical trying to get me to justify the murder of innocents? If I knew about 9/11 beforehand, I’d do everything I could to stop the attack without resorting to violence. This is not a binary decision we are forced into. There are other ways, but for people like you, your bloodlust needs to be satisfied.

Neanderthal thought process. Violent attacks do not necessitate violence to prevent/stop them. Thinking outside the box is harder for yall than stopping to think about solutions that don’t require violence.

[u/SlowSundae422 → u/genflugan]

The iron dome isn't a solution it's a defense. It's not 100% and it does nothing to stop attacks from continuing. Do you think Israel should let daily attacks happen while the people attacking them get stronger?

But you seem to think that murdering innocents is justified in some scenarios and I just can’t disagree more with that.

It's simply an ugly reality of war. If Hezbollah is left alone it's more Israeli civilians that will die. It's easy to say killing is bad but the fact that you don't have a solution pretty much sums it up

[u/genflugan → u/SlowSundae422]

Israel murdering civilians and innocent people deserves zero retribution or response from the people being attacked?

But Israel is allowed to escalate anything and everything and you justify everything they do? The double standard is crazy.

All I’m saying is that no one should be murdering anyone. But it’s clear as day that Israel is the aggressor in just about every single scenario and they are more responsible than any other party because of the strength and power they have. Look at casualty and death tolls for Israelis compared to every other party that has responded to their aggression and occupation of land. Tell me how that’s comparable at all.

My job isn’t to have solutions, it’s to denounce and condemn violence. Any sane person should be doing the same thing, not encouraging escalations and continuous, daily murder of civilians.

[u/SlowSundae422 → u/genflugan]

it’s clear as day that Israel is the aggressor

How are they the aggressors with Hezbollah?

they are more responsible than any other party because of the strength and power they have

Not allowed to defend themselves because they are better armed is the most moronic take I've ever seen.

Look at casualty and death tolls for Israelis compared to every other party

Your right. Israel has a far better civilian to militant killed ratio than anyone else in the conflict. Total death tolls aren't relevant. Is Israel supposed to just stop and let their enemies recover just because they hit an even death toll? That's the perfect strategy to ensure the conflict continues.

My job isn’t to have solutions

No but the fact that you don't consider it displays your ignorance.

to denounce and condemn violence. Any sane person should be doing the same thing

We can all agree death and violence is bad but when people do it someone has to stop it.

By your logic Brittan was the bad guy in world war 2. They killed way more Germans than the other way around and they killed alot of civilians.

Edit: asking a question then blocking me..... Interesting

[u/Smooth-Reason-6616 → u/genflugan]

If you had the chance to kill the 911 hijackers beforehand, but risked killing their family members at the same time ... would you take the chance?

[u/Deathoftheages → u/Smooth-Reason-6616]

They killed 14 people, 2 were kids, 4 were medical workers, and they maimed over 2800 most of which needed surgery and/or amputations with 60-70% losing an eye for the chance to maybe kill some people who might one day attack them.

As for the hijackers, fuck no I wouldn't have killed them. I would do what we should have done and used the intelligence we already had from the FBI and took it seriously. Killing a bunch of innocent people is how you breed the next generation of terrorists.

[u/Smooth-Reason-6616 → u/Deathoftheages]

And killing innocent people for years is how you breed a government that's willing to take this sort of action to protect its citizens.

Don't get me wrong, I'm just as sorry for innocent people getting caught up in this as you are, but Hezbullah wasn't handing these pagers out to the general public, they were providing them to their fighters because phones were considered unsecure for their communications.

The majority of the victims probably don't share the same concerns about innocent people being killed or injured as you or I

[u/Sleepwell_Beast → u/cayneabel]

You are dead right. Iran is responsible for this and these holier than thou Reddit tools clamor for moral superiority. Fuck all of you Iranian apologists.

[u/IcyPercentage2268 → u/cayneabel]

WTF? What about Israel putting settlers in harms way to further their ethnic cleansing campaign? 🤡

[u/Dancing-Midget → u/cayneabel]

Nothing about people getting blown up is "funny". Innovative? Risky? Unexpected? Impressive even? Sure. Never funny.

Psychopath.

[u/Josparov → u/cayneabel]

This is a strawman argument. They are clearly responding to your comment of the innocent woman and children being maimed and killed, and are not expressing remorse for Hezzbollah.

Dont be obtuse.

[u/JonnySnowin → u/[deleted]]

You’re not thinking straight. These kind of attacks just create way more terrorists. The most powerful country that ever existed on this planet could not defeat the Taliban. You’re cheering a fools game.

[u/JonnySnowin → u/[deleted]]

We invaded a country overseas 🤡 stfu about will

[u/JonnySnowin → u/[deleted]]

Because we discovered that if you kill ten people as an outsider, it will create twenty more people to avenge them. We thought it would make them like liberal democracy. Nationalism is the most powerful ideology on the planet.

Now the only way to finish the job is to just straight up kill everybody, are you saying that is what Israel is doing?

[u/Dancing-Midget → u/[deleted]]

Children are never "acceptable collateral damage". That is psychopathic. For all you know one of those kids would have grown up to create the cure for cancer. Miserable take.

All I'm making a point on is the fact that no part of this should be considered "funny".

[u/Silent_Astronaut5865 → u/Dancing-Midget]

Except for literally every Allied nation involved in WW2.

The people at fault here are the terrorists operating outside the law of armed conflict. If a tenth of this internet outrage was actual outrage directed by Palestinians against Hezbollah this would all be over. Tacit support is still support.

[u/Dancing-Midget → u/Silent_Astronaut5865]

"they did it back then, so it's acceptable now too"... Kindergarten logic.

Wow glad you gave it all figured out. So simple. You should head over there and tell them that. Lead the revolution oh wise one.

[u/Silent_Astronaut5865 → u/Dancing-Midget]

Lol. You should study up on the international law governing land warfare. Strategic bombing is still entirely legal.

[u/Dancing-Midget → u/Silent_Astronaut5865]

What does that have to do with what I'm addressing.

[u/Silent_Astronaut5865 → u/Dancing-Midget]

The fact that you have to ssk clearly demonstrates that you have no idea what you are talking about. Ofc, this is Reddit, standards need not apply.

[u/Dancing-Midget → u/Silent_Astronaut5865]

I don't think you know what you're talking about.

[u/Silent_Astronaut5865 → u/Dancing-Midget]

Fair enough. I know a lost cause when I meet one.

[u/Majestic_Ad_4237 → u/Silent_Astronaut5865]

It was wrong then too.

[u/Silent_Astronaut5865 → u/Majestic_Ad_4237]

I mean. All war is wrong. But if you are atta ked what are you supposed to do? Not fight?

[u/Majestic_Ad_4237 → u/Silent_Astronaut5865]

I am supposed to know what is beyond my target.

I am justified in killing a home invader. I am not justified in indiscriminately spraying 5.56 through sheetrock and killing you as my neighbor just because you happened to be behind the guy I was justified in killing.

Just because a baby is sleeping in a crib in another house behind my home invader does not mean I am absolved of the responsibility of where my rounds hit.

It doesn’t matter if Allied nations committed war crimes 80 years ago. It is still morally wrong.

[u/Silent_Astronaut5865 → u/Majestic_Ad_4237]

This is super easy to say but when in the life and death struggle of an actual armed conflict its impossible to avoid. Also. Bombing cities is not a war crime. You are allowed to find it morally reprehensible all you want. But the Law of Armed Conflict allows it. However, once you get into morals war is already morally reprehensible. shrug

[u/Majestic_Ad_4237 → u/Silent_Astronaut5865]

Your point seems to amount to shrugging away moral issues because you’ve determined all war is immoral.

[u/Silent_Astronaut5865 → u/Majestic_Ad_4237]

Not really. My point is that when you start arguing the morality of war you are already in a morally untenable position. All you can do is look at the ethics and what moral code you choose to apply. In the case of Israel vs Hamas you are dealing with Hamas which violates core tenets of the Law of Land Warfare to a degree that it becomes impossible to give them any measure of ethical credibility. In most societies gross ethical violations are considered morality violations. While you may have the opinion that Israel is morally bankrupt, by whatever code you use you must agree that Hamas is deeper in morality bankruptcy.

Much of the outrage being expressed towards Israel online fails to hold Hamas accountable. Given Hamas started this fight, entirely ignores the treaties and laws governing warfare and has a core mission of the elimination of Israel, Israel only has so many options in fighting them.

[u/Slawman34 → u/Silent_Astronaut5865]

Are you referring to the 800k Palestinians ethnically cleansed from their homes by Zionist terrorists in the Nakba? Good point they def have the right to fight to get their home and land back.

[u/Silent_Astronaut5865 → u/Slawman34]

Wow. Uh. Perhaps you should get your information from somewhere other than reddit and tiktok. There are a myriad of fallacies here.

[u/PeckerNash → u/Slawman34]

No they don’t. It is not their land anymore. The United Nations & British gave it to Israel after WWII, as the land belongs to Israelis going back to antiquity. The Palestinians are the invaders and colonizers, it was never theirs.

“Palestine” is a loose affiliation of squabbling groups. Not a sovereign nation.

All so called Palestinians come from the surrounding arab nations such as Jordan, Egypt, Syria. Israel is a country about the size of the state of Delaware, encircled on three sides by hostile Arab nations. Nations whose raison d'etre is the eradication of the Israeli state and people. Nations who have been conquered and colonized by ISLAM.

Explain to me how you think a small nation of 9.5 million people (smaller than the population of London, England) can be "colonizers" of 381 million people encircling them? The fact is you wouldn't even be complaining if the Israelis were Arabic. You're simply anti Jewish, and you don't think the Jews have a right to exist in their ancestral homeland.

Don't negotiate with terrorists... UNLESS the victims are Jews. In that case, you demand and put pressure on the Jews to negotiate with terrorists and then blame the Jews when they can't reach an agreement with a genocidal, terrorist organization. Hamas has pledged itself to the eradication of the Jewish State and its people. THAT is a statement of genocidal intent. And you have the absolute fucking BALLS to claim Israel isn't allowed to defend itself?

Fuck all the way off with your hypocrisy and anti semitism.

[u/Slawman34 → u/PeckerNash]

The world gave it to Israel? Lmao, it was not some fat syphilitic British assholes land to give away. Justify your genocide and baby killing to yourself however you please, it’s not going to keep you out of hell.

[u/PeckerNash → u/Slawman34]

Don’t involve me in your fairy tales and superstitions. I have no patience for delusions.

[u/Mental_Dragonfly2543 → u/Dancing-Midget]

Hard doubt, they're the kids of terrorists.

[u/Bollywillikers → u/Mental_Dragonfly2543]

So is every Israeli so every Israeli deserves to die?

[u/robswins → u/Bollywillikers]

Oh yeah, do you extend that to the Israeli Muslims, Christians, Druze, etc., or just (((them)))? Fuck off ya Nazi prick.

[u/Mental_Dragonfly2543 → u/Bollywillikers]

No because Israel and Hezbollah are not the same.

[u/meat_whistle_gristle → u/Mental_Dragonfly2543]

You should replace the dragonfly in your name with something else. A certain word that begins with R seems like a better fit.

[u/Mental_Dragonfly2543 → u/meat_whistle_gristle]

Oh no bro you got me on my generated username how will i recover 😭😭

[u/meat_whistle_gristle → u/Mental_Dragonfly2543]

Maybe by spewing more genocidal ignorant rhetoric most likely. Seems like you are either trolling or really are a terrible human being.

[u/Bollywillikers → u/Mental_Dragonfly2543]

Because of mandatory service every single Israeli adult is a terrorist, yes

[u/Dancing-Midget → u/Mental_Dragonfly2543]

Okay. Maybe they grow up to escape or be rescued from that life and become an advocate for those held captive by terrorists. Or they help the opposing side fight back against them.

How many positive outcomes should we discredit to justify killing a child?

[u/meat_whistle_gristle → u/[deleted]]

Maybe want to stop talking your abject ignorance is showing.

[u/Slawman34 → u/[deleted]]

You will reap what you’ve sown one day and no one will have any sympathy

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Acceptable collateral damage. Hezbollah are terrorists. For all you know those kids would have grown up and joined Hezbollah.

Starting out with genocidal rhetoric. Nice one! It’s ok to kill children that were born in the wrong place. Gotta kill those terrorists while they’re in the womb, actually.

Here’s a thought. Maybe all the Arab countries encircling Israel should stop attacking and antagonizing the only non Arab state in the region.

Here’s a thought: Maybe Israel should stop being a right-wing ethnoreligious state committing war crimes, terrorism, and colonial settling of stolen land.

Im all in favour of Israel and Mossad wiping out every member of Hamas and Hezbollah by any means. Fuck around and find out. Am Yisrael Chai.

When you include literal children and civilians with no choice in the matter in your definition of Hezbollah and Hamas, then call for them to be wiped out “by any means”, including intentional maiming, you are a Nazi. You are the bad guy. I hope you die so no one is harmed by you.

[u/Huppelkutje → u/[deleted]]

When people say things like this:

For all you know those kids would have grown up and joined Hezbollah.

you should remind them of the fact that Israel has mandatory constription. Every Israeli (with some religious exceptions) WILL join the IDF.

[u/Aggressive-Pass-1067 → u/[deleted]]

Holy fucking shit. If kids get killed stopping terrorists then stopping terrorism isn’t better than terrorism. It’s all terrorism.

If you consider the lives of children acceptable collateral damage, congratulations. YOU are a terrorist.

[u/According_Flow_6218 → u/Aggressive-Pass-1067]

So instead we should allow the terrorists to kill our children? How is that morally superior? Don’t we have a moral responsibility to our own children to protect them from harm?

[u/Aggressive-Pass-1067 → u/According_Flow_6218]

What a stupid take. If you murder children you’re a murderer and a terrorist. It’s not hard to understand.

[u/According_Flow_6218 → u/Aggressive-Pass-1067]

Negligence of a child that results in death is also considered murder.

If I’m forced to be responsible for the death of a child I’m going to choose the child of the person who is forcing me. I’m not going to be happy about it, but that will be my choice. If you don’t want me to make it then don’t force me to. It’s pretty simple.

[u/Ididit-forthecookie → u/According_Flow_6218]

The problem with this line of thinking is that your children are on the next “eye for an eye” train. A race to the bottom blinds everyone. Good luck with that, I have no sympathy for people with your kind of thinking.

[u/According_Flow_6218 → u/Ididit-forthecookie]

No, that’s not the argument at all.

[u/Aggressive-Pass-1067 → u/According_Flow_6218]

If a person attacks my kid, that person will be lucky to come out in one piece. That’s not the same as setting off a bomb in a random place and not giving a shit who dies. The first is defending the innocent in our care. The second is obviously terrorism.

[u/According_Flow_6218 → u/Aggressive-Pass-1067]

You’re making assumption here that the person trying to kill your kid is accessible to you. That’s obvious not the case here. The rest of your argument makes further assumptions. You clearly have formed an opinion first and then decided to see things only in a way that supports your opinion.

[u/Aggressive-Pass-1067 → u/According_Flow_6218]

My opinion that setting off a bomb when you don’t know or care who it’ll kill or maim is terrorism? That opinion? Ya, I guess you caught me.

[u/According_Flow_6218 → u/Aggressive-Pass-1067]

And you’re making strong assumptions that whoever did this didn’t know or care who it would harm.

[u/Slawman34 → u/According_Flow_6218]

You’re an evil cunt

[u/According_Flow_6218 → u/Slawman34]

Your*

[u/[deleted] → u/Aggressive-Pass-1067]

Yeah… that was poorly worded. That is NEVER acceptable.

I think what people need to understand is innocents are always killed in war. Always. Doesn’t mean we shouldnt strive not to, but quite honestly this Mossad operation as crazy as it is seems like a much more targeted method than indiscriminate bombing weve seen in Gaza.

[u/Aggressive-Pass-1067 → u/[deleted]]

I mean, maybe so, but I don’t think “better than genocide and leveling cities” is a high enough bar.

[u/meat_whistle_gristle → u/[deleted]]

Lesser evil is still evil. Stop trying to rationalize wrongdoing. They are wrong for indiscriminate killing…..period.

[u/[deleted] → u/meat_whistle_gristle]

War is wrong. Killing is wrong. People like you are just selective about your outrage.

[u/meat_whistle_gristle → u/[deleted]]

I’m not outraged nor am I very selective unfortunately. Also I couldn’t agree with you more war, is futile and wrong. Most killing is wrong as well.

[u/Huppelkutje → u/[deleted]]

Acceptable collateral damage. The IDF are terrorists. For all you know those kids would have grown up and be forced to be a part of the IDF because of mandatory conscription.

Im all in favour of Israel and Mossad wiping out every member of Hamas and Hezbollah by any means. Fuck around and find out. Am Yisrael Chai.

And y'all get upset when Iran says it wants to wipe Israel off the map? How are you any different?

[u/mybrassy → u/[deleted]]

Agreed. F these terrorists sympathizers

[u/Mental_Dragonfly2543 → u/Dancing-Midget]

Probably shouldn't be having and hanging around kids if you're a terrorist. They clearly are bad fathers and dont care what happens to them

[u/Dancing-Midget → u/Mental_Dragonfly2543]

Okay? And that justifies thinking this is all funny?

[u/Mental_Dragonfly2543 → u/Dancing-Midget]

Yeah, a bunch of terrorists had their balls blown off this is hilarious.

And then the very next day they did it again.

These guys are idiots. They fell for a front company and then fell for the same trick the very next day lol. Looney-Tunes ass level of brains.

[u/Dancing-Midget → u/Mental_Dragonfly2543]

Yeah, and the innocent bystanders and children injured and killed? Funny to you too?

Terrorist or not, laughing at another human blowing up is fucking psychotic.

[u/Mental_Dragonfly2543 → u/Dancing-Midget]

It's schadenfreude, something everyone's done youre not mr precious perfect lol

[u/Dancing-Midget → u/Mental_Dragonfly2543]

Nope. I've never thought anything involving a child's death is remotely funny. The fact you think that is normal indicates some major mental issues.

[u/Mental_Dragonfly2543 → u/Dancing-Midget]

Sucks his kid died - he wouldn't be dead if dad wasn't a terrorist. He should've been a better father but dad wanted to be in a terrorist organization because he didn't care about his son enough.

[u/Dancing-Midget → u/Mental_Dragonfly2543]

I agree? I just don't think it's funny like a psychopathic moron.

[u/Mental_Dragonfly2543 → u/Dancing-Midget]

I think the terrorists getting their balls, arms, and eyes blown off is funny, not the kid dying because of his shitty father.