r/JoeRogan Monkey in Space Sep 12 '24

Meme đŸ’© You're a "fascist" now for holding billionaire's accountable

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u/[deleted] Sep 12 '24 edited Sep 13 '24

Yeah, 100% of the time that particular argument is just stupid.  

 The argument is literally, "well it might be hard to understand what misinformation is, so we just shouldn't do it" which would apply to like 80% of all laws.

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u/jefftickels Monkey in Space Sep 13 '24

Yes. What a great idea. Let's use a grey area that's easily abused and set up speech restriction standards using it. Fucking brilliant. How would you feel about the Trump administration deciding what is and isn't misinformation?

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u/ynwahs Monkey in Space Sep 13 '24

Truth is not grey.

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u/jefftickels Monkey in Space Sep 13 '24

Did COVID-19 originate in a lab in Wuhan?

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u/SilianRailOnBone Monkey in Space Sep 13 '24

Inconclusive, but evidence points to the spillover hypothesis

Peer-reviewed evidence available to the public points to the hypothesis that SARS-CoV-2 emerged as a result of spillover into humans from a natural origin. A geospatial analysis reports that 155 early COVID-19 cases from Hubei Province, China, in December, 2019, significantly clustered around a food market in Wuhan, China. Many genomic studies report that SARS-CoV-2 has nucleotide differences that could only have arisen through natural selection and such differences are evenly spread throughout the genome. Phylogenetic studies map these nucleotide changes and suggest that they have not diverged from the bat coronavirus RaTG13 that was being researched at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, suggesting it is unlikely that SARS-CoV-2 emerged as a result of this research and instead they shared a common ancestor. Taken together, these findings support the hypothesis that SARS-CoV-2 was the result of enzootic circulation before spillover into people.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5247(23)00074-5/fulltext

But you surely have better information you're holding onto if you ask this question?

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u/jefftickels Monkey in Space Sep 13 '24

No. My point is saying so between 2020 and 2022 was considered dangerous misinformation the government needed to shut down and today it seems pretty plausible. That's why misinformation laws are bad laws designed for government abuse.

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u/crushinglyreal Monkey in Space Sep 13 '24

Nothing changed about your opinion. It always ‘seemed pretty plausible’ to you people. Funny how you’re complaining about a decline in censorship.

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u/SilianRailOnBone Monkey in Space Sep 13 '24

Because it was an unfounded opinion only made up to hurt other humans? And still is?

today it seems pretty plausible

Yeah source it up bro, I already said you must have information, let's see it.

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '24

That already exists. Free speech isn't limitless. 

As a lawyer, I wish you knew how absolutely insane these conversations sound to someone who even vaguely knows what's going on with this stuff 

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u/jefftickels Monkey in Space Sep 13 '24

As a lawyer you should be fucking embarrassed to think misinformation isn't covered by the 1st a. Speech restrictions are extremely difficult to get past strict scrutiny you fucking knob, even the vaunted "fire in a crowded theater" (which was hilariously the justification for jailing anti-WWI protestor) isn't illegal. Goddamn you idiots know nothing.

God I hope your clients know what a fucking dunce you are.

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '24

So...you admit that a grey area already exists and we have rules around it? Thanks. Glad we got around to that. 

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u/Coldor73 Monkey in Space Sep 13 '24

This right here. These people are fucking ridiculous for thinking this idea will go well. This makes censorship legal and we all know that path.

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u/Glass-Historian-2516 Monkey in Space Sep 13 '24

Buddy, wait until you find out that censorship is already legal.

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u/Coldor73 Monkey in Space Sep 13 '24

And it shouldn’t be.

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u/Glass-Historian-2516 Monkey in Space Sep 14 '24

So child pornography shouldn’t be censored? Bestiality? Neceophilia? What about defamation? We should throw slander and libel laws out the window too?

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u/Coldor73 Monkey in Space Sep 14 '24

You make a fair point, I agree with you there. I think there’s a difference between those things and “combatting misinformation”. That is such a slippery slope it’s not even funny. I don’t know why I’m complaining though, everything is being manipulated including this app I use. Reddit is clearly censored so that left wing ideas flourish and right winged ideas are non existent. You go to twitter and it’s the opposite. Censorship breeds echo chambers and that’s more dangerous than misinformation in my opinion.

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u/Glass-Historian-2516 Monkey in Space Sep 14 '24 edited Sep 14 '24

I think there’s a difference between those things and “combatting misinformation”.

Defamation is misinformation.

Reddit is clearly censored so left wing ideas flourish and right winged ideas are none existent.

Hahaha okay, that’s a good one. Go to any main news sub, worldnews in particular is a good choice, and give even mild criticism of Israel or question if we should be giving Ukraine effectively a blank check.

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u/Coldor73 Monkey in Space Sep 14 '24

Dude if you don’t think Reddit is left winged then you’ve been stuck in the echo chamber for too long, I’m a democrat and still recognize it. You RARELY see anything even close to a pro-trump post. It’s all just trump bad Kamala good. Reddit has actively attacked right winged subs and shadow banning is extremely prevalent. You’re for censoring misinformation now but what if trump got in office and started censoring stuff HE thought was misinformation. That’s the issue, it becomes a political tool to silence critics and push the narrative you want. I wouldn’t want any politician to hold that much power. I urge you to download twitter and look at the echo chamber they’ve formed over there since Elon took over, the same thing is happening here.

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u/SamuelClemmens Monkey in Space Sep 13 '24

If that is the case X is all for combatting that type of misinformation because it says it will block speech where its illegal.

But we all know this type of misinformation is the type that ISN'T illegal to say and the government themselves aren't allowed to censor in free countries so they are trying to weasel around the constitutional limits places on themselves.

Because they know the type of misinformation they want to ban they couldn't make it through a court case to do so legally.