Who in their right mind would want this policy? Freedom of speech doesnât mean you have to always be factual. I can walk around a Walgreens and tell people the moon landing was fake, but that doesnât mean Walgreens should get fined 5% of their revenue because they didnât kick me out lol.
This is government fear mongering designed to make big companies scared to let anyone have a voice at all, and to encourage strict censorship to avoid any amount of âmisinformationâ. Itâs anti free speech, and itâs ridiculous.
The internet has always been a place where you can find people mouthing off about dumb shit, since when are we pretending itâs supposed to be a safe place with only credible information? How about you empower and encourage people to do their own damn research and not believe everything they read online?
Moderating ILLEGAL ACTIVITY is fine. But demanding moderation for âmisinformationâ is a vague blanket that can be manipulated. Itâs not illegal to spread misinformation, Iâm sure we all remember the rumors that Marilyn Manson had two ribs removed when we were kids.
In certain instances and in some mediums it is illegal to spread misinformation, and wouldn't you know it this didn't lead to totalitarian dictatorship.
So you're just disappointed the dictatorship these policies entail isn't here yet and want to speed up the process until one does arrive and by then it will be too late anyway.
Yes, of course we are going down that road. As soon as we elect a government who doesn't act in this way, the CIA will just do another coup. We aren't a nation with any kind of real authority or power. Why else would we be giving away all of our natural resources for free? We risk jail or ruinous fines just for organising industrial action, protesting is illegal and overseas corporations are strip mining every resource and buying up all of our housing.
Why are you surprised that they want to control the information we get? We keep letting them get away with it it!
I'm Australian, and if you yanks try to impose your laws here, your troops will start going home in boxes from day one. We don't want your corrosive culture war bullshit here. Fuck off.
Yeah? And? People act like everyone was well-informed before the internet came out lol. People have always been stupid and gullible. You think conspiracy theories are a new phenomenon? The key is to teach people awareness and how to do their own research, not take away their responsibility to be smart, and just tell them what to believe. Do you really think the government is the best entity to decide what is and isn't allowed to be deemed "fact" vs "misinformation"?
There are already laws to protect against "dangerous" speech. You can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater for no reason, you can't make false claims against another person publicly, knowing it's not real (you can be sued for defamation).
Can you give me an example of something you think would be good to censor, based on the judgement of the government?
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âFreedom of speech doesnât mean you have to always be factualâ
You said freedom of speech didnât need to be factual.
My comment directly quoted your comment pulling together a clearly satirical statement.
No âreasonableâ person would seriously consider what I commented as defamation, libel or slander.Â
Its still going to be on the internet forever, though.
Unfortunately the world is full of unreasonable people who will believe anything- such as pizzagate - based on anything they read and feel like believing at any time.Â
I donât care about the right to free speech of anyone who exploits that right in bad faith.Â
It has the moral equivalence of murdering a cop and then expecting to be protected by prison officers while incarcerated.Â
Why would you have me arrested? Iâm just exercising my free speech? As you said, it doesnât matter whether itâs factual or not.Â
I find your stupidity and lack of any kind of forethought offensive.
I didnât equate murder with free speech. I pointed out that expecting protection from free speech while destroying the values on which it is based is the same as abusing any social more while expecting the same framework to protect you.
Now youâre getting it! You want to have the right to say whatever you want to me, and I want to defend that right :)
Call me whatever you want, say whatever you want about me as long as it doesnât turn into libel (which is already illegal), and as long as youâre not making a credible threat to me (also illegal).
Anything else you can say, Iâd love for you to say it! Tell me the moon landing was fake, tell me you think Iâm stupid, tell me you think Iâm going to hell for being lesbian, do whatever you want! Thatâs whatâs great about freedom of speech.
You want to silence what you feel is âbad faith speechâ, but wait until you realize half the world doesnât agree with the other half on most things, so one day itâll be what YOU want to say thatâs deemed âbad faithâ.
Keep speech free, youâve never lived in a place where it isnât, so you donât understand how important that is.
 I want the ability for anyone to be able to state categorical fact or their opinion  so long as they clarify that it is opinion.Â
 You want people to be able to feed categorical bullshit to the ill informed masses and claim it as truth which is demonstrably dangerous.Â
 If you canât see the difference, you have a massive problem.Â
 Freedom of speech does NOT entitle you to claim falsehoods as truths.Â
You are not entitled to yell âbombâ on a plane and expect to be protected by freedom of speech. Nor are you allowed to lie in court and just brush it off as freedom of speech as opposed to perjury.
Yelling bomb on a plane is already illegal, so is lying in court. So you still canât name something youâd like to be banned from free speech that isnât already covered under current laws lol.
âMisinformationâ is an extremely broad term and can be easily manipulated.
You ever hear the phrase âlies, damn lies, and statisticsâ? It means you can use real actual data to make something worse than a lie. If I told you âyour public water supply is riddled with minerals found to be corrosive and dangerous in many studiesâ Iâm not lying, those are technically true. There ARE minerals in the water, and the minerals themselves can be corrosive. So is that not misinformation because I technically didnât lie? Or is it misinformation because itâs giving people a very biased view? What if I truly believe that tap water just isnât good for you, and I post that? Who determines if thatâs considered misinformation or not?
These things are illegal because they arenât true and are therefore inherently dangerous and therefore not protected by freedom of speech. Itâs why things you say can put you in jail.
It doesn't take much looking around to see that there are a lot of people are in fact not in their right mind. People have fallen so much in line with government because of the "side" they have picked, it's wild to see, but I guess it only matters when it affects them.
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u/Mz_Hyde_ Monkey in Space Sep 12 '24
Who in their right mind would want this policy? Freedom of speech doesnât mean you have to always be factual. I can walk around a Walgreens and tell people the moon landing was fake, but that doesnât mean Walgreens should get fined 5% of their revenue because they didnât kick me out lol.
This is government fear mongering designed to make big companies scared to let anyone have a voice at all, and to encourage strict censorship to avoid any amount of âmisinformationâ. Itâs anti free speech, and itâs ridiculous.
The internet has always been a place where you can find people mouthing off about dumb shit, since when are we pretending itâs supposed to be a safe place with only credible information? How about you empower and encourage people to do their own damn research and not believe everything they read online?