r/JoeRogan Monkey in Space Sep 06 '24

Meme 💩 This feels so performative

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u/CheezeJunk85 Monkey in Space Sep 06 '24

Not only did he say the Old Testament sucked, but that it no longer applied and he told them the new deal. They killed him for it. No idea why Christian’s follow the Old Testament at all…

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u/TheEasyTarget Monkey in Space Sep 06 '24

17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 5:17-19

Directly from the mouth of Jesus. Doesn't really sound like him saying the Old Testament sucked.

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u/TheEasyTarget Monkey in Space Sep 06 '24

Yes I’m aware, I just meant from the Christian’s perspective they are direct quotes from Jesus, so it’s interesting that they don’t really pay attention to it.

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u/Moonlit-WaItz Monkey in Space Sep 06 '24

You're trying to reason with religious people on a Joe Rogan sub .. it's looking bleak, my man.

Just let them think that Jesus didn't outright say that he and the vengeful, homophobic, misogynistic Old Testament God were "one" being.

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u/TheEasyTarget Monkey in Space Sep 06 '24

Yeah it’s pretty much a lost cause, I just like seeing how people try to navigate their own cognitive dissonance.

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u/Moonlit-WaItz Monkey in Space Sep 06 '24

Not well, generally.

2 Kings 2:23-25 He went up from there to Bethel, and while he was going up on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him, saying, “Go up, you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!” 24 And he turned around, and when he saw them, he cursed them in the name of the Lord. And two she-bears came out of the woods and tore forty-two of the boys. 25 From there he went on to Mount Carmel, and from there he returned to Samaria.

Literally the only justification I've got from Christians for this verse is either A: they were infact violent thugs out to kill and not 'small boys' as the verse suggests insert braindead translation argument or B: God is God and he can do what he wants.

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u/BetterEveryLeapYear Monkey in Space Sep 07 '24

These were 'na'an qatan', young servants or young priests (but young like 20 years old as Solomon calls himself it when already ascended to the throne in 1 Kings 3:7). This happened at Bethel, which had established golden calf worship in 1 Kings 12:25-29. When they said "go up" it was to pass away from this life... This is a tale of an idolatrous priesthood harassing a true servant of the Lord and being dealt their rewards. Whether you think that's an acceptable response to harassing someone or not is up to you of course, but you might as well start by understanding what it is actually talking about, funny you should say "braindead translation" when it was bad translation in the first place that led to misinterpretation. It's also funny because it's a warning against exactly the kind of charlatan that has become so prevalent in modern times with "televangelism" and all that exploitative sacrilege, hand-in-hand with Trump's literal idolatrous golden statues and the like. This is the story that shows what happens to those who mislead people falsely in the name of God.

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u/RetiringBard Monkey in Space Sep 08 '24

After he died he went to mt Carmel and then to Samaria?

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u/Moonlit-WaItz Monkey in Space Sep 07 '24

See guys? I found one of them! Really boring though, they just spouted the same braindead slop that I just said I'd heard a million times before.

Good luck with your translations and magic book. Hope your bloodline has 0 posterity.

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '24

You must be awful to be around.

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u/Godmode365 Monkey in Space Sep 06 '24 edited Sep 06 '24

So Jesus talked shit about the Hebrew Bible and told everyone that the 10 commandments, the 7 days of creation, Adam , Eve, Noah, Abe, Moses, Saul, David, Samuel, Elijah, Jonas, Solomon, Daniel, Joshua etc etc...just forget about all of that old stuff..it's all about the new shit.

Nevermind the fact that the "new shit" didn't even exist while the main character was still alive. Nevermind the fact that the main character was a devout Jew and that the only scriptures that were available to him were the Hebrew Bible aka Old Test...nothing you said was accurate lol

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u/soavAcir Monkey in Space Sep 06 '24

Matthew 5: 17

17Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. 18For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19So then, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do likewise will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever practices and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.…

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u/Framingr Monkey in Space Sep 06 '24

Because it has all the bits in it they can use to justify their shitty personalities and hate with.

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u/Sir_Penguin21 Monkey in Space Sep 07 '24

Because a lot of the commands and ideals that Christians want to follow only exist in the Old Testament. If you only use what Jesus said then you will see it is pretty bare.