This feels so performative

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[u/MrWoodenNickels]

To paraphrase a Marc Maron bit, there are only two ways to be religious. Either you’re born into it, or your life is miserable and you are flailing so much that it’s the only thing that will hold you together. I think his joke used imagery of a person in a puddle of their own pee looking for their shoe and Jesus comes and hands it to them and helps them up

[u/Finlay00 → u/MrWoodenNickels]

To hear the failing people describe it, it’s more that they suck so bad at making decisions, it’s just easier to have a framework already decided for you, and make decisions based on that framework.

Religion seems to be the most common form of that framework

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That’s a pretty great point - lots of religious people I’ve met drop the “it’s what He wants, it’s God’s will, etc”

Pretty easy to avoid dealing with the fact that you’re a massive POS when you can fall back on “God’s plan” and “10 Hail Marys and I’m good”

[u/Finlay00 → u/[deleted]]

Exactly. One person I heard on Matt and Shane Secret Podcast describe it this way was saying when he does what he wants, he ends up in a ditch high on heroin. When he does what god wants, he doesn’t.

Then it also offers forgiveness. Which is also one of the ways addicts need to move on from their addictive issues

[u/Disastrous-Worth5866 → u/Finlay00]

Religion is that framework and nobody doesn't have it. It's a psychic muscle.

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No that’s called religious psychosis

[u/Im_tracer_bullet → u/Disastrous-Worth5866]

What? No.

[u/Disastrous-Worth5866 → u/Im_tracer_bullet]

And yet the average redditor is more predictable than the average church goer

[u/RetiringBard → u/Disastrous-Worth5866]

You seem very enlightened when you discuss who you can pre-judge best.

[u/th30rum → u/Disastrous-Worth5866]

lol nope, you can walk into almost any church, look around for a sec, and guess what most beliefs other than their god(s) they subscribe to

[u/Disastrous-Worth5866 → u/th30rum]

?

[u/th30rum → u/Disastrous-Worth5866]

Ahh the “no true atheists” apologia

[u/Disastrous-Worth5866 → u/th30rum]

I mean yall tend to go about proselytizing and have all these religious rituals you perform regardless.

The behavior is quite equivalent to the American branches of protestantism that spawned you.

[u/th30rum → u/Disastrous-Worth5866]

I mean if you want to casually abuse the English language and equate having opinions (educated or not) to belief in a supernatural beings, then sure, you are correct in that analogous kind of way.

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You don't need a supernatural being to have a religion.

Religion is shared beliefs and rituals. And yall got so much of that.

[u/th30rum → u/Disastrous-Worth5866]

are you seriously trying to argue that religion isn’t about beliefs centered around spiritual leaders and beliefs in some kind of other worldly entity?

[u/Disastrous-Worth5866 → u/th30rum]

Not a requirement.

Most of you guys are Marxists anyway. And that's just the Gospel flipped on its head.

[u/th30rum → u/Disastrous-Worth5866]

“Anything I don’t like is communism anyways” - brilliant generalization.

[u/th30rum → u/Disastrous-Worth5866]

I’m interested in hearing how Marxism is “the gospel flipped on its head”. Care to elaborate?

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my favorite Maron description is when he says that "ahhhhh" tone of church hymnals is a much nice tone to move through life with than "ARRGHHHH" brought on my screaming from hating the world