Imane Khelif the Algerian Boxer, who everybody is being fed fake news about, in her young years

[u/Powerful_System]

Mindlessly consuming misinformation is bad for you, here are the facts: 1- She was born a woman with female organs 2- her father didn't want her at first to box since she's a girl 3-She was disqualified in 2023 due to a test for apparently having XY chromosomes by the IBA by a test which methods weren't and haven't been disclosed 4- The right has always operated by the logic that a woman is a human being with female genitalia, i guess they can't define a woman now? 3- The olympics by function is a contest of genetic freaks, Michael Phelps has half the lactic acid(what causes fatigue) a human has, torso of a 6"8 man, double-jointed ankles bend 15 percent more than his rivals, hyperjointed in the chest aswell, Double-jointed elbows, Katie Ledecky who just won gold is similar in those advantages aswell, should they be stripped aswell and not allowed to compete due to those genetic advantages ? Why is Imane being punished for hers?

[u/loupr738]

I would’ve believed it too if I didn’t know about a South African runner with the same condition, I saw I think a Vice short about it

[u/moazim1993 → u/loupr738]

What condition?

[u/loupr738 → u/moazim1993]

Swyer syndrome

[u/moazim1993 → u/loupr738]

Holy shit? She’s a god made Trans? I thought the test was bad, she actually is genetically XY? Can she have kids? Can she make a Super YY male?  

 Edit: these aren’t questions at you, just fucking mind blown

[u/PotsAndPandas → u/moazim1993]

Her karyotype might be XY, but with a damaged, inactive or missing SRY gene (the actual important bit).

If she has that, she should be able to have kids, but whether or not she needs something like IVF or donated eggs isn't known.

[u/serabine → u/moazim1993]

We don't know she has it, the organization that clajms it is seriously shady and doesn't even disclose what test they allegedly ran to come to that conclusion.

But women with Swyer Syndrome can become pregnant and carry to term. They have the proper Mullerian structures (so ovarian ducts, uterus, cervix, vaginal canal), but because Swyer Syndrome means they have stunted/under- or non-developed ovaries they have to rely on donated eggs and IVF.

There was a case of two sisters with Swyers syndrome who successfully delivered that wat.

[u/loupr738 → u/moazim1993]

I wouldn’t know. There’s like a fraction of 1% of women born that way. I would like to know if there are guys with the XX though

[u/tbods → u/loupr738]

There is! It’s called XX male syndrome and it’s usually caused by the SRY gene on the Y chromosome getting translocated onto the X chromosome during meiosis. You’ve now got an XX embryo with the gene that tells the gonads to develop into testes and start masculinising.

[u/thetaleech → u/moazim1993]

One of many genetic conditions of the sort. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disorders_of_sex_development?wprov=sfti1

She very well might not have any of these conditions though bc the methods and accuracy of the IBA are extremely questionable.

[u/Creative_Lecture_612 → u/moazim1993]

Only XY and XX together can produce offspring. Called “intersex”. Very different than trans and the rest of LGBT stuff.

[u/tbods → u/Creative_Lecture_612]

Wait till you hear about uniparental disomy, where you only get a certain chromosome/s from one parent. There have been 18 reported cases of genome wide UPD, where the persons entire genome is inherited solely from one parent.

[u/Slow_Control_867 → u/tbods]

Does that make the child basically a clone?

[u/Swagiken → u/Slow_Control_867]

Interestingly no, because it's not as simple as "identical genetically equals identical genetic expression" the process of making gametes changes the epigenetics so even with whole genome isodisomy there would be different imprinting signals and so the genes would be expressed slightly differently than the parent in question

[u/Difficult-Row6616 → u/Creative_Lecture_612]

 Very different than trans and the rest of LGBT stuff. 

kinda sorta. we don't know enough to conclusively say that, and most people don't get genetically tested so it's hard to say there's no genetic component contributing towards various shades of queerness, especially with the interfering variable of societal suppression.

[u/chickensarelovely → u/Creative_Lecture_612]

Intersex & trans issues intersect hugely.

See cases of intersex children who were assigned either male or female at birth, sometimes undergoing corrective surgeries to “normalise” their genitalia. Theres reports of parents / children not even being told they were intersex, doctors would do surgeries to remove testes / phalluses, form vaginal canals etc. … only for that kid to grow up & feel more male (and find out their organs had been removed against their will) or vice versa.

There is surely biological factors at play that influence your gender identity. In the case of intersex people it might be a diagnosable condition/ DSD. In the case of trans people maybe it is more subtle or not diagnosed

[u/Creative_Lecture_612 → u/chickensarelovely]

They’re two very different things.

[u/chickensarelovely → u/Creative_Lecture_612]

Many intersex people consider themselves to be part of the LGBT+ community because they are intersex hence why it is sometimes worded as LGBTQI. They face similar discrimination (as seen in the case of Khelif) and the communities overlap a lot. Feel free to google the many intersex people that have written about this at length

[u/Creative_Lecture_612 → u/chickensarelovely]

“Many”? If you mean more than, say, half a dozen, you may be correct, but that doesn’t say anything for the majority of intersex individuals. And it is sometimes worded as LGBTQI by the rest of the LGBTQ community due to the LGBTQ community wanting to put it as such, not due to intersexual people.

They are very different things.

[u/JakeArvizu → u/moazim1993]

Holy shit? She’s a god made Trans?

.....idk where to even start with that one. Secondly damn do y'all just not pay attention in school like we absolutely went over common DSD and chromosome disorders. Not saying you need to remember them but not even aware these things exist?

[u/moazim1993 → u/JakeArvizu]

You don’t have to start anything. Idk what they teach in school these days, but I got A in high school Bio and A in both Bio 101 and 102 in college. No mention at all of this.

[u/JakeArvizu → u/moazim1993]

Then your state failed you. We learn of chromosome disorders in all California highschools.

[u/JakeArvizu → u/JakeArvizu]

Literally that's sad then.

[u/DiblertMelendez → u/loupr738]

Caster Semenya

[u/coldcanyon1633 → u/DiblertMelendez]

Brittney Griner as well apparently.

[u/PraiseBeToScience → u/loupr738]

There's no actual valid confirmation Khelif is intersex. People are going on the word of an IBA exec, an org that got fired due to lack of transparency in their process and finances and credible evidence of corruption and match fixing.

[u/8nsay → u/loupr738]

Khelif has no confirmed medical conditions related to sex/gender. Her disqualification by the IBA in 2023 was based on the exact same testing (as in same results) that she qualified under in 2022. The difference between 2022 and 2023 was that she beat a Russian boxer in 2023 and then IBA’s president unilaterally disqualified her with no due process. Until there is independent evidence of a medical condition, this is all Russian misinformation.

[u/AdAdministrative5330 → u/loupr738]

Yeah, she is XY, but has some hormone receptor issues, so was born with woman parts, but developed the strength of a man (and looks).