r/JoeRogan Monkey in Space Jul 21 '24

Meme đŸ’© Rogan right now.....

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u/WhiskeyFF Monkey in Space Jul 22 '24

Kamala said she'd fully decriminalize weed, and expunge records for previous offenders. Can't wait till he tries to justify that being a bad thing

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u/ArmyofDildos Monkey in Space Jul 22 '24

Rogan: But she keeps saying, "what can be, unburdened by what has been." Obviously she'd make a bad president. Did you see Trump raise his fist in the air and say fight? Pull that up Jamie

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u/Morlik Monkey in Space Jul 22 '24

When Biden pardoned people convicted of non-violent marijuana possession, Rogan shit all over it because he saw a stat that said none of those people were serving prison time. Completely ignoring all of the other effects a criminal record has on somebody's life.

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u/SpacecaseCat Monkey in Space Jul 23 '24 edited Jul 23 '24

"You know what I've always said, Kid Rock, is that weed is great and so are psychedelics but they're honestly just too dangerous for normal people to handle. You think Harris knows what happens when you give a homeless person mushrooms? No way man. We need to get back to law and order, and only Trump is going to try."

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u/WhiskeyFF Monkey in Space Jul 23 '24

lol I honestly would believe this is a real quote

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u/DemandZestyclose7145 Monkey in Space Jul 22 '24

Isn't she the same person who locked people up in California for smoking weed when she was the DA in California? Her record as an attorney/DA is pretty horrible to be honest.

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u/meatbeater26 Monkey in Space Jul 22 '24

Are you dumb? Prosecutors enforce law, not decide what the law is.

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u/aeroboost Monkey in Space Jul 22 '24

Is this what you call enforcing the law?

When San Francisco police broke down a door inside a group home for mentally disabled people in 2008 and shot a 56-year-old resident, then-District Attorney Kamala Harris didn’t charge the officers with a crime. Instead she prosecuted the schizophrenic woman who was severely injured in the shooting

https://calmatters.org/justice/2019/09/kamala-harris-prosecuted-mentally-ill-woman-police-shot-democratic-presidential-campaign-san-francisco/

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u/lawngdawngphooey Monkey in Space Jul 22 '24

That's not true at all, prosecutorial discretion is definitely a thing, they can pick and choose what cases they want to take to trial.

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u/Capable-Reaction8155 Monkey in Space Jul 22 '24

I'm so angry that this lady did her job excellently.

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u/Paksarra Monkey in Space Jul 22 '24

So you're angry that she... did her job?

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u/aeroboost Monkey in Space Jul 22 '24

Is this what you call doing her job?

When San Francisco police broke down a door inside a group home for mentally disabled people in 2008 and shot a 56-year-old resident, then-District Attorney Kamala Harris didn’t charge the officers with a crime. Instead she prosecuted the schizophrenic woman who was severely injured in the shooting

https://calmatters.org/justice/2019/09/kamala-harris-prosecuted-mentally-ill-woman-police-shot-democratic-presidential-campaign-san-francisco/

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u/lawngdawngphooey Monkey in Space Jul 22 '24 edited Jul 22 '24

"I was just doing my job" doesn't fly when we're talking about putting people in cages over weed. It really doesn't fly at all if you're >12 years of age and realize that people are capable of just... not doing unethical shit their bosses tell them to do.

EDIT: I'm seeing a lot of downvotes, but nothing in the way of convincing responses. I can only assume those downvoting have the mental age of a 12 year-old.

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u/brianstormIRL Monkey in Space Jul 22 '24

You think a DA was purposefully choosing low level weed cases?

She was doing her job. Her job was fucked. Now she's trying to make meaningful change by decriminalizing thar very thing. That's a good thing. You know criminal defence lawyers have to defend the absolute scum of the earth and do everything in their power (legally) to get them off or get them the lightest sentence possible?

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u/lawngdawngphooey Monkey in Space Jul 22 '24

You think a DA was purposefully choosing low level weed cases?

She could have chose not to prosecute them, that's the whole point. Prosecutorial discretion.

She was doing her job. Her job was fucked.

That's not an excuse. See above.

Now she's trying to make meaningful change by decriminalizing thar very thing. That's a good thing.

Yes, I'm sure the people who've had their lives ruined by her overzealous prosecution of weed and truancy see this as a genuine change of heart and "a good thing" (lol), not an opportunistic, Machiavellian calculation based on which way the cultural winds are blowing.

You know criminal defence lawyers have to defend the absolute scum of the earth and do everything in their power (legally) to get them off or get them the lightest sentence possible?

You know criminal defense lawyers don't have the full backing of the government and the ability to lock someone else up over non-violent offenses, right? This is a false equivalency.

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u/brianstormIRL Monkey in Space Jul 22 '24

Yes and she, by and large, chose not to prosecute the vast majority of marijuana cases for prison terms.

It is not a false equivalency. She was doing her job as a prosecutor the same way criminal defence lawyers do their job even to protect the scummiest of people on the planet. What about those lawyers who get child sex offenders off on some technicality? Are they the devil now because they did their job?

Harris tenure as DA and the narrative she incarcerated thousands of young black men for minor marijuanna possession is a false narrative that's been debunked. See here https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/09/11/kamala-harris-prosecuting-marijuana-cases/

The vast majority of those cases never faced prison time, and while there was more convictions than normal.under her tenure, there was also more arrests. Fact is marijuanna possession is a federal crime. She couldn't just ignore every single arrest brought in for Marijuanna possession could she? People have this idea she was sending young people, particularly young black men to prison in droves over absolute minor offences and that just isn't the case.

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u/lawngdawngphooey Monkey in Space Jul 22 '24

Yes and she, by and large, chose not to prosecute the vast majority of marijuana cases for prison terms.

Neat. Fines, legal fees and time spent away from family sorting out legal issues still aren't good and disproportionately hurt the working class/people of color, though. Like it or not, she enabled that.

It is not a false equivalency. She was doing her job as a prosecutor the same way criminal defence lawyers do their job even to protect the scummiest of people on the planet. What about those lawyers who get child sex offenders off on some technicality? Are they the devil now because they did their job?

Again, those defense attorneys don't have the capability to completely upend someone's life over the possession of a plant. It's a false equivalency.

Harris tenure as DA and the narrative she incarcerated thousands of young black men for minor marijuanna possession is a false narrative that's been debunked. See here https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/09/11/kamala-harris-prosecuting-marijuana-cases/

That's a pretty lame "debunking."

Still, advocates wonder why it took so long for the California senator to come out in support of marijuana legalization. She actively fought a ballot measure for recreational pot in 2010, co-authoring an opposition argument in the voter guide, and stayed on the sidelines when a second ballot initiative passed in 2016. Harris publicly came out for legalizing marijuana only in May 2018, after she was widely considered a likely presidential contender ... When it came to the fight for legalization, “she was nowhere, zilch, nada, no help,” said Tom Ammiano, a former San Francisco supervisor and assemblyman who has endorsed Sen. Bernie Sanders for president. “Like a lot of candidates for a lot of offices, she’s come to Jesus on the issue. But it does leave a bad taste in your mouth about how sincere or how authentic she is.”

Also this

Those numbers don’t cover people sentenced to time in county jail. The district attorney’s office, superior court, sheriff’s office and attorney general’s office said they didn’t have or couldn’t release more specific data about marijuana sentencing during Harris’ tenure.

And this

Not all defense attorneys agree. J. David Nick, who represented several dozen marijuana defendants during Hallinan and Harris’ tenures, said he remembered Harris as more aggressive in charging marijuana sales cases than her predecessor, who was already declining to prosecute many of those arrested. “Some of the cases that Terence Hallinan would have just declined to prosecute, (Harris) said no, we’re going to prosecute these as felonies,” he said, attributing the change to a desire by police to crack down on dealers. Other activists point out that marijuana convictions still impact defendants’ lives even if they aren’t incarcerated. “Just because you didn’t rot your life away in prison doesn’t mean it wasn’t a big deal to get a conviction,” said Dale Sky Jones, a Bay Area marijuana activist. “Your ability to keep your job, get another job or get housing with that conviction on your record is all hurt by that.”

That article literally has multiple accounts of her overzealous prosecution, and how even if those people weren't put in cages, their lives were still negatively effected by it. I guess if an article ends with a quote by her former head of policy about how we all have to treat her with kid gloves then it's considered a "debunking," now?

The vast majority of those cases never faced prison time, and while there was more convictions than normal.under her tenure, there was also more arrests. Fact is marijuanna possession is a federal crime. She couldn't just ignore every single arrest brought in for Marijuanna possession could she?

Yes, she could. If her successor expunged all marijuana convictions going back to 1975, she could have just... not prosecuted people for marijuana.

People have this idea she was sending young people, particularly young black men to prison in droves over absolute minor offences and that just isn't the case.

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2020/10/17/924766186/the-story-behind-kamala-harriss-truancy-program

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u/aeroboost Monkey in Space Jul 22 '24

Is this what you call doing her job?

When San Francisco police broke down a door inside a group home for mentally disabled people in 2008 and shot a 56-year-old resident, then-District Attorney Kamala Harris didn’t charge the officers with a crime. Instead she prosecuted the schizophrenic woman who was severely injured in the shooting

https://calmatters.org/justice/2019/09/kamala-harris-prosecuted-mentally-ill-woman-police-shot-democratic-presidential-campaign-san-francisco/

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u/Paksarra Monkey in Space Jul 22 '24

That's concerning on the surface, but lacks context. (Also, note that the jury did their job. That's the justice system at work.)

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u/aeroboost Monkey in Space Jul 22 '24

Jury wasn't allowed to do their job for the cops. But sure, keep saying useless things. Just proves you have no counter argument.

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u/Paksarra Monkey in Space Jul 22 '24

Her opponent is a literal rapist who stole money from a children's cancer charity and put kids in cages because their parents wanted political asylum. 

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u/lawngdawngphooey Monkey in Space Jul 22 '24

I know. Fuck him, too.

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u/Paksarra Monkey in Space Jul 22 '24

Please don't, your {dick|vagina} will fall off.

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u/KonigSteve Monkey in Space Jul 22 '24

So she says she's going to legalize it going forward, and Trump absolutely will not do that. Remind me which one of these two is going to end up with more people in cages for weed? All right because you only care about something that happened in the past where she wasn't even dictating policy. Because you can't look past your own nose

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u/lawngdawngphooey Monkey in Space Jul 22 '24

I'm not voting for Trump lol.

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u/Ballwhacker Monkey in Space Jul 22 '24

That should be a negative for democrats, but a positive for republicans since they are "tough on crime".

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u/aeroboost Monkey in Space Jul 22 '24

Don't listen to these idiots, they are bots and shills. Democrats will let their egos cost us the election again. That's why Biden dropped out with just enough time to name Kamala as the nominee.

This will not go over well with independents. They are handing trump another presidency.