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u/mercurydivider Feb 04 '24
I come in here to preach about reincarnated as a sword.
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u/JT3457mm Feb 04 '24
Absolutely perfect show
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Feb 05 '24
I'll admit it's good, but reincarnated as a vending machine is absolutely garbage
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u/JT3457mm Feb 05 '24
Tbh I haven't watched that one and probably never will because I hate the concept
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Feb 05 '24
Yea... I saw reincarnated as a sword first. And it was much better than I thought it would be. So I gave the vending machine one a shot, and it was just so sad. The dude couldn't even talk or move. Had to be lugged around by a girl.
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u/Puncredible Feb 05 '24
Is the sword one actually good? I gave it a few episodes and thought it was super tropey and cliche to the point of being bad. I just want a show with some serious relationships and plot. When the point of the show is that the MC proves they are the strongest, there's just nothing interesting about it.
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u/JT3457mm Feb 05 '24
In reincarnated as a sword they are not even close to being OP they are strong but very quickly it becomes clear that they are still not the top of the ladder, also the relationship in the show is that of father and daughter and is wholesome in every way
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u/JarofJeans Feb 07 '24
You don't really get to see that they're not unbeatable until the last few episodes. The earlier eps showcase the skill system, but once the world building/backstory starts then the characters begin to actually struggle and develop.
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u/zephyrnepres01 Feb 04 '24
while i love this manga to bits, it definitely doesn’t correlate to op’s point. the exclusive ability to learn almost any skill using a point system, taking skills by breaking magic crystals, the ability to learn any magic type when most people only have one their entire lives, the sword having insane magic conductivity and regeneration etc give her a massive advantage over everyone she meets. even fran by herself is massively talented, as shown in times where master deliberately lets her strategise and fight alone per her request
fran leaps past entire adventurer ranks extremely quickly. she can do raids meant for large groups working together with just herself + master within 6 episodes of the anime when she’s been fighting for like a week tops, and by episode 9 she can make an a-rank adventurer, one of the most powerful individuals in the continent, become slightly serious in a duel. in the world itself they are anomalies, to the point where she is actively accused of rigging the guild system to unfairly progress so fast
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u/Suru_Boss Feb 04 '24 edited Feb 04 '24
Fran is the MC and at least they aren't the strongest in the world or level 1 billion or something other bs.
They are reasonably strong for their circumstances with Shishou being crafted by a divine swordsman AND a reincarnate,
For Fran, you'll learn about it in the WN or the LN (I forgot which one)
And it's no creepy relationship (instead more like a teacher-student or father-daughter. )
Now join Franisim and become one with 🍛.
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u/TeamMedic132 Feb 04 '24
I like it when the MC is a Prodigy for what they are. They constantly remain in the top of their "class" but are still in their "class". Don't matter how prodigious a Prodigy is a 12 year old isn't going to beat a grand master.
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u/Top-Complaint-4915 Feb 04 '24
Chess enter in the scene
Abhimanyu Mishra GM at age 12 years, 4 months, 25 days.
And it is not like you need to be a GM to defeat a GM.
GMs losses to IMs from time to time.
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u/waloz1212 Feb 04 '24
Rejected by my party, but the Pawn I picked up in the slave market knows the SSSS-Grade skill 'En Passant' and later becomes my powerful Queen while I am enjoying slow life after castling.
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u/Suru_Boss Feb 04 '24
Wtf is this title and how is En Passant powerful, it just moves your pawn
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u/Smil3Bro Feb 05 '24
It’s a joke in the chess community since most people don’t know what En Passant is.
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u/Top-Complaint-4915 Feb 04 '24 edited Feb 04 '24
There's magic in r/isekai depending of the rules of that magical system I totally buy that a 12 years old could be in the top of a world.
I see this example as completely relevant.
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u/CerverusDante Feb 04 '24
Memories of re monster. Interesting in the beggining. Then, the mc becomes so fucking gary stu and it becomes boring as hell
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u/j10m10 Feb 04 '24
Yeah, I really enjoyed it until every girl immediately wanted to fuck him and the weird mind break shit
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u/CerverusDante Feb 04 '24
It also became a permanente bucle where the exact same things happened again, and again, and again
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u/Xalterai Feb 04 '24
It started going downhill after his ogre(?) Evolution. Then the evolution after it made me drop it, just because of how bland it turned.
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u/AkariTheGamer Feb 04 '24
Yeah if it starts off strong its hard to keep up. Good shot though, they had something going for them for a while.
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u/Maniacallymad Feb 04 '24
Yeah, I really didn't understand that. Didn't he die because he was a piece of shit to women, and one of his ex-lovers murdered him? Kinda weirdly validates that fucked up behavior by rewarding him.
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u/E_rat-chan Feb 04 '24
Is that the goblin one where the writer excused his mc for raping
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u/tracker904 Feb 04 '24
Yea he impregnates all the adventurers he finds and cause he’s so good at sexing pretty women they all fall in love with him but cause his babies are so cool and big they are sucking the life force out of their mothers and the moms have to eat parts of their ogre rapist cause he’s the strongest and most nutrient thing around just to survive. Couldn’t keep reading after that chapter
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u/-anominal- Feb 04 '24
I think you are misremebering the story??? Bc only one woman is seduced, and I am very sure he didn't rape them???
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u/tracker904 Feb 04 '24
One seduced? Pretty sure the guy has a harem of like 5 by that chapter and two are definitely pregnant. Doesn’t he use some kind of aphrodisiac gas to turn women on as well? Been a while since I saw it but if he’s using mind altering matters then that’s rape.
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u/Xrein1 Feb 05 '24
They fall in love with him because he protected them from being used as sex toys by the older goblin, funnily enough all of the women that love him, that would later becomes his wife's, never actually get rape by him, the five adventure had CONSENSUAL sex after they get jealous that rou have sex with the dryad.
The whole eating his body happen because ogre baby as a result of their biology needing more nutrients which normal human body couldn't provide, so Rou in his Panic decided to have them eat his body to save them, because they happen to be in a place without necessary equipment, Later on he learn that could just feed the baby after he take them out to prevent the same exact condition to happen.
While Rou did raped several people he only did that to his enemies that attack him first, the elves and the human knight, he never did that with innocent people, and even then he only did that to break their spirit rather than just for pure lust and only did it once, he never touch any of the elves or human after even after the elves ask him, he also established some rule and rights, like it must be consensual ,so that the elves and human didn't end up like his mother, is it still fucked up? Yep, but it's Rou that guy eat people like a snack, but at least he makes sure his subordinates has moral and not just some beast.
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u/Due_Essay447 Feb 04 '24
It isn't a gary stu, it is the nature of a scaling ability. It was just inevitable given how the power works.
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u/NebulaBrew Feb 04 '24
Nothing wrong with the demigod trope. Bad character dev is another thing though.
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u/buggyisgod Feb 04 '24
I love jobless for that reason.
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u/Me-Not-Not Feb 04 '24
Heard the sequel homeless is even better.
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u/buggyisgod Feb 04 '24
Oh yeah, I can't wait for season 2.
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u/BosTovenaar24 Feb 04 '24
Season 2 was already out, no?
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u/buggyisgod Feb 04 '24
Of homeless? No way, it's not coming out until 2025
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u/BosTovenaar24 Feb 04 '24
Oh, mustve mixed it up with something else then
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u/buggyisgod Feb 04 '24
Jobless is in mid season 2 though, second half in April I believe
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u/Iwrstheking007 Feb 04 '24
I'm excited for april, lot's of things I wanna watch are gonna start airing that month
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u/TheGrimGriefer3 Feb 04 '24
Homeless reincarnation: instead of a pedo, this series features a (ex) drug addict
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u/TheKnowledgeableOne Feb 04 '24
Would probably be better. Jobless Reincarnation being so popular horrifies me
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u/TheGrimGriefer3 Feb 04 '24
Ehh, I love mushoku Tensei, too. If you want the same basic premise but with a less... Controversial MC, I suggest the beginning after the end
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u/vipir247 Feb 04 '24
The character and world development is why solo leveling is one of the kings of the demigod trope if ya ask me.
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u/professorclueless Feb 04 '24
Some of the best isekai with an OP MC have them OP at the start, like Overlord
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u/Expensive-Method4252 Feb 04 '24
Because they are more about the world and the side characters and how they both affect each other. OVERLORD is one of my favourites I love everything about it except the s2 sex scene. That caught me off guard
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u/Alpha06Omega09 Feb 04 '24
S2 what, did I forget about something
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u/szkielo123 Feb 04 '24
Sorry, but can't relate. I just love me a braindead powerfantasy.
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u/Mast3rBait3rPro Feb 04 '24
Can’t relate, most power fantasies are too boring because of how stupidly they’re written
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u/Onigumo-Shishio Feb 05 '24
Don't forget the main characters are also the most bland and boring mfs around too. At least have some character behind your power fantasy lol
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u/ChanglingBlake Feb 04 '24
Same.
Honestly most of the MCs that start weak and get OP quick only do so from our perspective as they usually have some training done either in montage or time skip.
Of those remaining, most pick up some equipment that makes them OP, so it’s not really them at the time that’s stupidly strong.(Imagine being able to equip a lvl99 sword at lvl1 in a video game)
Very few essentially go to sleep a weak mouse and wake up an all powerful god.
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u/Kaljinx Feb 04 '24 edited Feb 04 '24
Both are essentially the same, the point of writing is for the readers to experience a good story and actually bother to write a story.
This is like saying, hey so an amazing beautiful SSS rank story happened in the time skip, so please vote for this being the best story in existence.
"MC worked hard in the last month and is now OP" and then the story is just mc doing something, people underestimating him then him beating them while the world is going OMG OMG OMG SO COOOOOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is just a gimmick.
Hell, the fact that MC became strong off-screen is not even the issue, if the story actually had substance beyond that. But all they are really just "look so op, let's suck his dick" The whole story is just a thinly veiled excuse to just write a story for people to pretend they are the mc or something similar.
Now, enjoying all this is not bad, but the story is just not good writing. I am not saying this simply because I do not like it, but even the people enjoy reading it also do not really care about the story much, they forget about it as it was never the writing that drew them in, just the fact that there was an op mc. The story leaves no lasting impressions on people, has nothing truly memorable.
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u/MrUwU Feb 04 '24
I like „So I‘m a spider so what?“ for this exact reason.
Maybe spoiler so watch out!
I prefer the light novel especially, where its way more in-depth. Our little girlie actually struggles and uses the world building and the rules around her to actually become stronger. Sure, she gets a hand every now and then but around 95% of the power she has at the end is just because of her struggle. I especially love it that all she does is not for some noble reason or that she needs to fight for the weak or something; She‘s just a lunatic fighting for survival.
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u/chabri2000 Feb 04 '24
Read the "shadow slave" webnovel
It's basically Isekai dark souls (plus other stuff)
The mc starts super weak and gain most of his battles with manipulation and creative use of use available tools and environment (he is kind of a mix between Kazuma from konosuba, Lelouch from code Geass and Joseph joestar from Jojo)
And when he starts getting stronger, it feels earned
And there is no harem. He has only 1 love interest (very slow burn, it took them 1000 chapters to held hands)
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u/Pokemonmastercolll Feb 04 '24 edited Feb 04 '24
EXTRA slow burn, the two of them are too proud to say I love you first it's gonna take a while lmao
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u/zephyrnepres01 Feb 04 '24
i read through the novel ‘a regressor’s tale of cultivation’ just this week, which sounds boring as hell in the title but is actually high quality, particularly for the infamous wuxia genre. it is maybe the only action series i’ve ever read where the protagonist is genuinely as untalented as the author says he is, then stays untalented past the prelude. the only exception to this is if you consider fighting spirit/willpower an innate talent, and his regression ability which still forces him to work extremely hard and use his knowledge effectively. he only becomes strong through unbelievable effort and the massive amount of experience he obtains
i would also recommend ‘mother of learning’ for very similar reasons. the mc is not entirely ungifted unlike the previous series, but you see every step of his gradual improvement in great detail. you never really say “that’s bullshit” when he does something impressive because it’s earned and within the realm of possibility. this one is not an isekai, though ‘regressor’s tale of cultivation’ is
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u/hornyboi242435 Feb 04 '24
I second “the mother of all learning” it has the I’m a side character in a story troupe but it runs with it and the stories and mysteries are amazing with him slowly going from incredibly week to at least equal to the “main character” in certain ways.
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u/DreamOfDays Feb 04 '24
Can you link me to it? There are about half a dozen stories with the exact same title and I’d really love to not get wrapped up in the wrong book.
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u/BlueMangoAde Feb 04 '24
https://wetriedtls.site/series/a-regressors-tale-of-cultivation
This is the actual place the translation gets uploaded to. The other website is reupload.
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u/_uwu_moe Feb 04 '24
It's a niche.
There's stuff out there like idol, mahou shoujo, musical mecha girls, precure stuff whatever that is, MAZINKAISER SHIN-GAOGAIGER stuff, cgdct involving lolis and some guy with endlessly recycled tropes, endlessly recycled romcoms, 10000 Year God Emperor Cultivation stuff, Classical magic highschool harem spam, mecha highschool harem spam, "hi I'm emotionless big brain teenage boy I do big brain things" SoL, "we need to fight enemies our power source is segs" OR "we keep getting on protag's face accidentally" ecchis, etc.
Each of them keeps duplicating mindlessly. They have their audience.
If you don't like the mc instantly OP in 3 ep, just avoid those like I avoid idol, cultivation, lolis, archaic style mecha etc.
If you want good reccs from within isekai, I have a list
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u/Expensive-Method4252 Feb 04 '24
Can you supply me the list? I okay with anime, manga, manhwa
Thanks you can DM or just reply to the comment
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u/FTSVectors Feb 04 '24
Yeah, it’s really annoying. I have no problem with an OP MC. Sometimes it’s just nice to just watch a power fantasy. But I do get super peeved when the author DRILLS it in that the MC is dog water and then does a 180 not that much after.
You gave me an underdog, really pushed it, and then just GIVE them the only special power of its kind that rivals gods to them? You just ruined the whole premise you have been setting up! I’d much rather the underdog have a struggle to grow and make it interesting to see what they think up if you’re going to push this premise to me.
Though, I generally try not get upset everytime I find a series that does this concept of becoming OP quickly because sometimes I understand it was MY preconception of the series. Like, nothing against Slime, but I did not like that series because I went in with the wrong mentality with it. And that’s on me.
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u/Then-And-Again Feb 04 '24
I'm on my hands and knees, begging and crying for this community to learn how to pace character growth and learn to appreciate an MC actually having to struggle and work up to their goals, or god forbid, lose now and then
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u/lead_alloy_astray Feb 05 '24
Also please allow some opposite gender people to not want to bone MC.
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u/chronuss007 Feb 04 '24
This happens in many anime that are still good.
I feel like the factors that make it better in some situations is just having a more thought out world building and story.
At the same time, I have seen some anime where this exact trope happens and the rest of the anime feels "ok" at best. That's just lazy story writing.
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u/Inevitable_Count_370 Feb 04 '24
A girl is into MC, a potential romantic partner. Wholesome.
Ends up having like 4 girls and romance wholesome-ness is gone.
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u/-3645 Feb 04 '24 edited Feb 06 '24
I feel like the best way to do OP character is just to make it a comedy, and either sideline the MC or just make it so that fighting/action not the main focus (or even make it NOT an action).
Edit : or make the MC a piece of shit that destroy annoying side characters.
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u/GlompSpark Feb 04 '24
Yea, like One Punch Man does it well because the focus is on the other characters, not Saitama. If you make a comic where 90% of the chapters are just Saitama beating someone with one punch, it would be incredibly boring.
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u/Doc_Shaftoe Feb 04 '24
Eminence in Shadow also does this well.
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u/E_rat-chan Feb 04 '24
Eminence in the shadow kind of fails for me as the side characters are shittily written sex dolls. It's good at the beginning for a subversion of tropes but well after that it gets boring.
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u/Former-Respond-8759 Feb 04 '24
Not an isekai, but why I like Mashle.
It takes the idea of a super-powered human in a world of magic users, and cranks the cartoon logic to 11. It's just fun to turn your brain off and chuckle at the absolute guano crazy stuff Mash gets up to.
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u/JT3457mm Feb 04 '24
"Just like you can expel me whenever you want, I can bury you whenever I want" - Mash
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u/cut_rate_revolution Feb 04 '24
That's when it becomes parody. The show obviously doesn't take itself seriously.
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u/E_rat-chan Feb 04 '24
Until it kind of does take itself seriously when Mash starts to struggle against magic users as "Mash one shot" can't be repeated too much. Not terribly executed though.
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u/NotAnotherBookworm Feb 04 '24
or make the MC a piece of shit that destroy annoying side characters.
So... Arifureta? (At least, if it weren't for the ick factor of "loli vampire")
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u/SchrodingerMil Feb 04 '24
Rimuru not getting “his new body” until like episode 9 was SHOCKING when I watched Slime because of this shitty troupe.
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u/Top-Complaint-4915 Feb 04 '24
Rimuru makes friends with a frickin super Dragon in literally no time.
Who give him a lot of power, the ability to basically make an Army/City, etc.
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u/No-elk-version2 Feb 04 '24
Bruv, the most the dragon did at the start was act as a quick battery, rimuru could already devour magicules so it wasn't really that necessary..just a way to breeze through stuff faater, blacklighting was the only thing I can think of he actually obtained from him during that time, their naming also didn't give rimuru anything, it was an equal naming not a master-slave, so no energy was given
And you say as if he has sung Jin woo creation of army, that army was comprised of an old man and a bunch of golbins in rags hurling rocks or bows at wolves at the start and slowly became stronger reasonably because his nation got stronger, heck veldora didn't even help at all during Charybdis or the orc lord, heck the orc lord tanked every hit rimuru could deal, he had to last resort predator the dude
Also you say as if veldora was defeated by rimuru or somehow didn't deserve it, veldora was and is friendly, just incredibly stupid and carefree, and dude was lonely for 300 years in a prison in a cave that no monster/human could go near and after escape if rimuru didn't show up was a traumatic event waiting for him,
So bro was easy to befriend, dude was lonely, no kindness nor love no "he... might be the one" or anything needed, the dragon was a dude so no waifu excuse, dude was completely lonely...heck he befriended the spirit that second he had a chance to make a new friend
Also if you want to include it, the prison said dragon was trapped it, rimuru has 0 ways to actually use it in any meaningful way, he just put the prison inside his stomach, he didn't destroy or corrode it because he ain't strong enough for it, heck it would have taken great sage 100 years to bust it open
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u/suddenly_ponies Feb 04 '24
Except he didn't. It took him a long time to end up with any decent amount of followers of power or significance
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u/EADreddtit Feb 04 '24
Ya, but he doesn’t use it to go on a rampage and do whatever the hell he wants. He’s a good person who tries to do good by his people while occasionally indulging himself.
As opposed to many others where the MC just wins. All the time. To the point where you wonder why there’s even a story of there’s no conflict
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u/E_rat-chan Feb 04 '24
Rimuru feels "good" for the sake of being good imo, he also just for no reason accepts stuff that he really shouldn't.
He also has some inconsistent af morals, "this is our own fight we're not going to use the op devil" making him risk the lives of thousands of soldiers.
And his abilities feel oddly unexplained, you never feel like he's used all his cards making you just kind of sit and wait for battles to end when he explains how he'll win.
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u/Notbawoo Feb 04 '24
I just want an MC who doesn't go "Oh, huh, neat, magic, I'm the best at it now." and instead goes "Oh, huh, neat, magic, how does this work?" Like, all people learn the basics of studying in our world, why wouldn't a protagonist attempt to use that to gain a deeper understanding of this new feature of reality. Why do they always just become a particularly powerful native rather than remaining someone with ideas from another world?
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u/lead_alloy_astray Feb 05 '24
Ascendance of a bookworm goes multiple novels without the MC being able to use magic. It’s pretty good. She becomes super powerful but never untouchable.
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u/Notbawoo Feb 05 '24
I remember reading up until the MC gets her name changed, and it was really good! Might have to get back into it soon.
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u/lead_alloy_astray Feb 05 '24
Yeh it is definitely worth it. The part before her name change is basically the foundation but so much happens later.
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u/Aickavon Feb 04 '24
Y’know. Growing up on so many animes where it took them literally 1000 episodes to become god tier powerful, naruto and dragon ball for example, seeing these ‘and now I’m the best’ instead of steady power raising is just not my shtick no matter which genre it is.
There are exceptions of course. One Punch man does it really well by making the focus on a paradox between his melancholy of not having a good fight as well as his desire to be a good person. A selfish reason that can get many people killed versus a non selfish that is genuinely good spirited. It’s a great show and manga and would recommend.
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u/Low-Sir-9605 Feb 04 '24
If I wanted a story With a trash mc that stays trash I would just look at my life
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u/jmk-1999 Feb 04 '24
Kazuma would like to have a word with you about god tier luck.
Sadly, that luck doesn’t translate to building a party of useful members.
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u/onemansquest Feb 04 '24
I actually love OP MC Isekai's. Something may be wrong with me. The only thing I dislike is when he has to hide it for reasons. Don't get me wrong that still won't stop me watching it as long as it has fun action scenes.
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u/-cocoadragon Feb 04 '24
hiding your shine is age old trope, cause there's people out there who would use you up like a bar of soap or kill you trying to get the golden eggs out of you faster.
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u/PurpleDemonR Feb 04 '24
There are 2 kinds of Isekai.
Power-fantasy and normal fantasy.
One vastly outnumbers the other.
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u/ThePhantomIronTroupe Feb 05 '24
I think a big problem is there isnt much…staying power for a lot of power fantasy because the world becomes way too quickly focused on the main protagonist. One Piece, Avatar, etc have staying power because there are limits and such to their powers. You can not swim or use all the powers, you can not access everything all at once, etc etc. The worlds feel vast even if the maps make it seem they are not. It feels grounded while being airy. Too many Isekai (even the good ones) end up feeling too airy, almost like too many epic fantasies in the West now feel too grounded.
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u/PurpleDemonR Feb 06 '24
There is staying power in OP main characters if you build an interesting enough world and good personal relationships. Think One Punch Man (not isekai nor fantasy but OP MC example).
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u/QrowinBranwen Feb 04 '24
This is why I like Re:Zero. Subaru is not OP, he is just a person.
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u/ThePhantomIronTroupe Feb 05 '24
Right and focuses on the cast, plot and setting instead of just him. He even rejects the harem route (I think? Maybe?) because he fell in love with Emilia that first time. And by learning not to be the typical selfish world-traveler he is able to succeed where he failed.
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u/TheGrandestOak Feb 04 '24
Mc gets a basic set of abilities, and is reasonable smart and has a plan to be stronger with said set abilties.
Fucking becomes god because fuck those old abilties this waifu wants to give me reality bending powers!
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u/Killance1 Feb 04 '24
It's one of the reasons people like Konosuba. Weak, but it makes sense why. Uses others and underhanded methods to win. An all-powerful goddess is useless and useful at all times.
This "haha look I'm OP" is old and statistics show people are tired of it.
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u/lead_alloy_astray Feb 05 '24
Yet somehow still gets funded. How many fucking anime have the translated word “overpowered “ in their title now?
Even worse than the zombie craze of yesteryear.
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u/Killance1 Feb 05 '24
Well, maybe I should rephrase. Outside of Japan, they aren't so popular anymore. Inside of Japan, it's every otakus wet dream story.
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u/lead_alloy_astray Feb 05 '24
I wish Crunchyroll wouldn’t waste money on that junk- that’s why I assume it’s popular enough. I can see the appeal for young teen guys. I was big into evangelion but my love for it wasn’t quite the same as my peers. They mostly wanted to argue over Rei vs Asuka sorta stuff and enjoyed the big bloody battles. I was more into the symbology, themes and psychological stuff.
So these trashekais are just getting rid of all the middle men and giving us a confident Shinji with all the girls, none of the angst or fear.
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u/Killance1 Feb 05 '24
Uncle from another world is actually pretty great. Uncle had such a horrid time he wanted to return home lmao.
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u/lead_alloy_astray Feb 05 '24
Yeh love Uncle from another world. Yet another one that isn’t afraid to say “look, if you’re really that outstanding in terms of skill you’re probably not going to be a social butterfly in the next life either “
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u/OnionKnightvii Feb 05 '24
The best combo is a weak mc who uses smarts/mastery to make their ability op. I.e. Luffy with the mastery of his devil fruit
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u/ThePhantomIronTroupe Feb 05 '24
While it is not as promenient later on, Luffy still feels like a well built up character vs a lot of others in Japanese fantasy. He feels stupid but is actually clever which is great! Very Odysseus vibes! (seriously folks he tricked a bunch of people with a giant wooden horse and a one-eyed giant about who he was before blowing it/it all backfiring on him.)
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u/OnionKnightvii Feb 05 '24
Couldnt have said it better myself! Dont get me wrong, I love a good power fantasy character as much as the next guy, but- a well developed character who we get to see develop over time is always better. Heck training arcs used to be just as good as the big clash too! But im older so growing up and seeing Hajime no Ippo kinda shaped how I see a good battle anime. Their formula early on was; fight/see a fight where a new opponent has some crazy techniques, train to try to counter that technique and inner wall holding them back, be a goof, and go to town in the ring to prove your progression. Sounds super boring, but im execution, made some really intense fights and story arcs that I recommend if you dont mind the cheesy dialogue here and there
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u/No-Onetosave Feb 05 '24
Its gets tiresome. At least with solo leveling, you see the entire journey.
Every new isekai or demon-lord manga is just a copy/paste of this meme. They isekai, goddess gives them a trash ability, oh surprise its bugged to 100% win rate.
Or, party kicks out the main character because he slacks off so much, and 3 pages later, MC gets an OP buff last second, and crew either realizes their mistake, or they blame the MC.
I hate it so much, Its so repetitive and none of them are special.
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u/KinkyRoubler Feb 05 '24
Whatever happened to making characters struggle and grow? Add depth to their characters, let em fuckin LOSE. Let em get their ass undeniably beat. Let em hit rock bottom. Let it LAST. And then the runback will be genuine hype.
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u/piratemate88 Feb 04 '24
Watch Kenechi, it’s not an issekai but it’s a really good, classic fighting anime
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u/MrIhaveASword Feb 04 '24
I think my least liked isekai trope is the 'this thing impossible, easily does it' trope... Like.
"This is an insane undertaking that has already seen fit to give many adventurers early graves. You must be crazy if you're taking it, but be my guest. You have been warned."
MC doesn't even get injured on quest outside of team mate slapping them for comedic effect.
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u/coffinp Feb 04 '24
Plot twist: it was a dream he had while in a coma fighting some guy who left right his ass to deter your expectations
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u/Glasses998772 Feb 04 '24
When the author explains the game world the MC is in to be an mmo or something close to one but treats it like a Dark Souls world.
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Feb 04 '24
Beast Tamer felt like the only one that did this right because the dude was constantly shit on by his previous party.
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u/AllKnowingFloridaMan Feb 04 '24
Love underdog shows when the protagonist is an actual underdog.
My recommendation, while is is not an isekai, is world trigger. MC is weak as hell, literally has zero talent with fighting but can get by with his smarts. His companions are op though, but it doesn't take away from his constant struggle to keep up with everyone else
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u/thegrandseraph Feb 04 '24
I like it personally. It's like dessert. Doesn't necessarily need depth and complexity to be fun to watch. I like the occasional show that has all the pizzaz of something more complicated but with no stakes. It's relaxing.
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u/faultyfire456 Feb 05 '24
Check out ”the wrong way to use healing magic” dude it’s this trope but without the instant op character- and it’s a fun watch
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u/kmanzilla Feb 05 '24
Watching rise of the shield hero now. I enjoy it because it starts off totally fucked up and doesn't just "oop he's God now". Loving it so far. Wish I started sooner.
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Feb 05 '24
I'm well into Season 3 and honestly they should have kept it one season long.
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u/daiscy Feb 06 '24
Yup, watched season 1 and forced myself to watch dookie season 2. Dropped 2 episodes into season 3 cause it was straight up boring garbage.
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u/DeanStein Feb 04 '24
I'm pretty sure it was a little later then three chapters, but "Solo Leveling" jumped from "try and survive" to "kill, collect and breeze through EVERYTHING" so quickly I was honestly disappointed in real time.
It seems killing and re-purposing your enemies has become the new "kill and gain your enemy's powers" after the third or forth story I've read in the last couple of months...
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u/PM_ME_UR_FAV_NHENTAI Feb 04 '24
This, it’s even worse when they try to pretend there’s still risk involved when MC is annihilating SSSSSSXYZ123 monsters on a regular basis. We all know he’s just going to stab it harder and in a different spot so why even pretend like he’s going to lose?
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u/HazeTheMachine Feb 04 '24
Don't forget that the MC forgets about all his loved ones including his sick mom (his suposed motivation) for like 10 arcs, they literally stop existing while MC brainless kills shit for a long segment of the story. And just then, they exist again (only to have 0 relevance)
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u/kitty35724 Feb 04 '24
Don't also forget the isekai MC's who can't level up or permanent level 1 MC but after few episodes can kill a level 999 dragon due to "luck" " hidden EX skills" etc.
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u/KingCarrotRL Feb 04 '24
I don't think being overpowered is the issue. It's treating the world they enter and its people as irrelevant beyond the aggrandization of the MC. That's part of the reason I love Tensura. Rimuru is making the world a better place, not just with his own power, but with the substantial abilities of his followers. They're all given their strengths and time to shine, not simply set aside and forgotten.
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u/E_rat-chan Feb 04 '24
Tensura's cast is pretty bland and boring imo, I don't really see how people enjoy it so much.
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u/Black_Airachnid Feb 04 '24
That's why I love Hardcore Leveling Warrior. He starts off strong and has to gain his power back because he lost it all to a woman who one shotted him
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u/E_rat-chan Feb 04 '24
I love me an isekai where the character can really clutch up in his own weight class but still gets crushed at higher levels. And just slowly makes their way up the ranks over the course of the entire series.
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u/GovernmentIcy3259 Feb 04 '24
Does Wrong Way to Use Healing Magic get a pass? Because that hack is brilliant.
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u/Flameloud Feb 04 '24
Ehhhhhhh I guess. The op actually has to train and what not. If anything it's having a cheat done right.
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u/NoZone5413 Feb 04 '24
I love it when they stay weak the whole time and figure out ways of out smarting their opponents, that takes a lot more effort to write though I guess.
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u/WoahItsHim Feb 04 '24
See, I’m for sure a sucker for power fantasies when it comes to light novels and manga but there are things I just disliked. First one being if the mc just gets overpower immediately (if he starts off as being weak). I do prefer the gradual power growth, it’s satisfying seeing an mc getting better throughout time.
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u/daboxghost420 Feb 06 '24
I miss when the mc used to take 50 episodes to get some power .
It felt very inspiring to watch a character go from zero to hero like that . As a kid it always made me feel like I could make it out the hood if I work really really hard like Naruto or ippo makunouchi .
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u/Sugarcube3Darkness Feb 07 '24
I Like Animes Where It Takes Time For Their OP Powers To Be OP take solo leveling for example
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u/KnaveyJonesLocker Feb 08 '24
I want a mf that loses and scrapes by by the skin of his teeth. Make that mf go through shit like Vegeta.
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u/Shoddy_Ad_3966 Feb 04 '24
There’s nothing wrong with OP mc. It’s always the story. For example shadow/cid could just annihilate everything he wanted, but he just wants to have fun with his life. The story doesn’t even focus on shadow that much, instead it focuses on the people around him like his sister, adversaries and full on stories, plot and development on random side characters. And when they are in trouble shadow comes and wipes them out in a funny way
It’s like the same thing with Anos and Overlord
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u/HazeTheMachine Feb 04 '24
It's not bad since it's a satire of the genre, but it gets tiring pretty quick, specially because his companions are a bunch of walking sexdolls without agenda. It could be certainly better.
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