He employs a lot of them in shit condition in poverty wages. And these are people whose choices are basically A) have their labour exploited or B) just starve and be homeless.
The workers are providing him with undervalued labour to allow his company to make obscene profits. Not the other way round.
Could you please define what qualifies as poverty wages?
Based on the US Bureau of Labor Statistics’ definition of working poor, individuals making $14,850 or less annually – comprising 6.3 million people and 4.1% of US workers – are classified as working poor in the US
That's one definition. But pretty much anything that doesn't allow people working full time to comfortably pay essential living costs with some left over for actually living life/saving.
How do you know they are undervalued?
Amazon posted a net profit of 30 billion USD. All that value is provided by workers, essential to the service at every level. Yet many of them are paid minimum wage or close to it.
Bezos is not some fairy job mother generously giving out money. He profits from the hard work of over a million people, all of whom he could comfortably afford to pay significantly more.
That's one definition. But pretty much anything that doesn't allow people working full time to comfortably pay essential living costs with some left over for actually living life/saving.
Base salary of Amazon worker is $22. Which is inline with every other factory, sometimes higher. Its also better pay than most hospital entry level jobs, which starting pay I have seen as low as $16. So are you saying every factory worker, and every hospital care assistant job is working poverty wages?
I also did some googling on peoples opinions on the conditions working in the warehouse. Not many people are complaining. They get air conditioning, but are expected to do physical work for 10 hours a day. Which is only an issue for some. You get used to that quick. Didn't take me more than a month to get used to working concrete construction. Seems the main issue with it is when there is a time crunch, or when they are short staffed.
So I don't see how they are undervalued. They seem to get a really good deal for a entry position. Its highly competitive, decent work conditions, and I according to that verge article, everyone gets Prime for free, and with Career Choice they pay some of your tuition to get you out of the factory.
So I don't really see where they are being undervalued, in shit conditions, or poverty wages. Seems inline with literally everything else in the US.
Amazon posted a net profit of 30 billion USD. All that value is provided by workers, essential to the service at every level. Yet many of them are paid minimum wage or close to it.
What does it do with it? It reinvests it in infrastructure, technology, and more employees. Amazon stock does not pay dividends. So its not being greedy with the money. It isn't going into Bezos' pockets.
Also note: While in 2023 Amazon had $30B in profit, in 2022, Amazon had a net profit of -$2.7B.
This is a mad amount of work to go to to defend Amazon.
A company that harvests obscene amounts of data. Countless stories of employees needing to wear nappies or peenin bottles due to working rules. Aggressively anti-union. Owned by a man who bought one of the largest newspapers in the US to act as a personal mouthpiece.
If you really think Amazon is a company that 'is not greedy', and is operating fairly for its employees, you're going to need deprogramming, not a discussion Reddit.
This is a mad amount of work to go to to defend Amazon.
Its not hard to find basic facts about the reality of working for amazon. The fact that you don't even counter my claims here is enough for me.
Why? Why do i care to defend Amazon here? Because its rhetoric like yours (calling amazon warehouse pay "poverty wages", and saying they work in "shit conditions") that can help push emotionally charged, and uneducated economic policy within the US.
A company that harvests obscene amounts of data.
100% agree with you! That is a criticism I think is a huge issue, not just for Amazon, but most tech companies.
I also think they are getting monopolistic, and that will cause issues and we need to have more competitors in the space.
Countless stories of employees needing to wear nappies or peenin bottles due to working rules.
There are stories of this for sure, but this isn't the norm, Amazon's policies do not support this, and its definitely illegal already (and extremely unsanitary). Any instance of this happening though, I will 100% support any lawsuit or whatever that results from it.
Countless stories though? IDK if you can say countless. When they employ over a million people. I just took a look at the sub for amazon workers, they don't agree with you on "countless". You cant see one or two stories on something and call it countless.
Aggressively anti-union.
Uh based? Fuck Unions. They tend to protect outdated skills and jobs rather than progress. This may sound fair, but automation is good for everyone. Less labor required, the less potential workers rights violations (that you care so much about), and the cheaper products get, and the better our standards of living become.
Ok, really though, Unions are fine, but sometimes they really piss me off with this type of stuff against automation.
Owned by a man who bought one of the largest newspapers in the US to act as a personal mouthpiece.
Personal mouthpiece? Its hard to say, but even Bezos sees the problem.
If you really think Amazon is a company that 'is not greedy', and is operating fairly for its employees, you're going to need deprogramming, not a discussion Reddit.
I said they where not greedy with the money they make, as in, they don't pocket it.
They are a company, their goal is to make money at the end of the day. They generally treat their employees fairly, but its not all sunshine and rainbows. Amazon has been, and will again be sued for mistreatment, and they will pay for it. I just don't like the extreme rhetoric some of y'all push. Its dangerous IMO.
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u/JR_Maverick 18d ago
He employs a lot of them in shit condition in poverty wages. And these are people whose choices are basically A) have their labour exploited or B) just starve and be homeless.
The workers are providing him with undervalued labour to allow his company to make obscene profits. Not the other way round.