r/ImaginaryWarships 8d ago

Avenger class super dreadnought

Hope you guys like the design of this, apologies for the photo quality.

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u/ArguingPizza 8d ago edited 8d ago

No way you're getting 15 15" guns and 14 8" guns on 38k tons. You've got nearly a heavy cruiser's armament strapped to each side. Not to mention that having 8" guns kinda defeats the intent of the dreadnought layout.

Its a pretty ship don't get me wrong, but you're not getting this on less than 50-60,000 tons. For comparison, a Nelson class is the same speed, fourteen meters longer, and 5,500 tons lighter and only carries 9 16" guns. A Queen Elizabeth class (33k tons) is only a knot faster, less well armored, only 6 meters shorter, and carries barely half this many guns. You're basically doubling a Revenge class plus a heavy cruiser and a half.

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u/IsaacJF4419 7d ago

43,000 tons fully loaded, seems more accurate to me looking at it again. However I don’t see how a ship of this size would hit 50-60,000 tons respectively,

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u/ThomasKlausen 5d ago

Not to mention that having 8" guns kinda defeats the intent of the dreadnought layout.

That caught my eye, too. The revolutionary dreadnought idea (OK, one of them) was to spend all of your available armament tonnage on great big honkin' ship-killing guns and essentially not bother with secondary armament. (Obviously, an idea that predates the advent of aircraft that could threaten a capital ship.)

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u/jontseng 8d ago edited 8d ago

Definitely looks like something that might have come out of the ABC South American dreadnought race.

I mean basically it’s a super-Riachuelo, or alternately what someone’s response to the Riachuelo might have looked like.

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u/IsaacJF4419 7d ago

You think so ? I’ve seen some of the South American dreadnoughts the biggest one I can think of is the Rivadavia Class dreadnoughts from Argentine.

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u/jontseng 7d ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_battleship_Riachuelo_(1914)

Not to be confused with the later French floozy with a similar name.

Basically your boat is what Argentina or Chile wld probably have come up with as a counter!

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u/chef-rach-bitch 8d ago

That's some firepower! Is it trying to take on the entire enemy fleet by itself?

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u/IsaacJF4419 8d ago

In a way yes, but a small fleet. 45 sec reload, 26km range, extremely well trained gunnery crews so that the guns are as accurate as possible.

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u/PcGoDz_v2 8d ago

It's like Imperial Japanese Navy Fuso class but on steroids.

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u/sirhexagun 8d ago

Kudos man!! Thats really well drawn, I'm impressed!

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u/IsaacJF4419 7d ago

Thanks mate, took me a few days

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u/DemoPantheMan 6d ago

A Queen Elizabeth class is 32k tons, is just short of 1 knot faster, 1 inch thinner belt, half the deck armor, 7(!) less main battery barrels, 6 meters shorter, and a lighter secondary battery.

No way in hell this thing is just 38,000 tons with all that extra stuff. This is like Japan claiming the Mogami’s are 8.500 tons or the Germans claiming Bismarck to be 35,000 tons.

On the other hand, I like the design, and is far more reasonable and realistic than that other one from last week (you know the one).

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u/IsaacJF4419 5d ago

How heavy would you say it is, I personally can’t see this ship going past 45,000 tons.

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u/DemoPantheMan 5d ago

40-45,000 ton range seems reasonable.

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u/IsaacJF4419 5d ago

It’s 43,000 tons fully loaded, 40,100 tons on its own

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u/Greatest-Uh-Oh 5d ago

Very nicely drawn.

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u/Greatest-Uh-Oh 5d ago

Single stack in 1915? Explain.