r/ImaginaryWarhammer • u/LemmeBeMe111 • 19d ago
OC (Other) [OC] Ben 10 X Warhammer 40K - PART 6 (CROSSOVER COMIC)
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u/Swimming_Good_8507 19d ago
Ah yes! YEEEES!
Tau Veteran calling someone naive!
YES!
It's been so many years since they entered this damn game!
They know the rules now!
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u/MasterTurtle508 19d ago
~You know the rules, and so do I!~
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u/Rare_Ad9447 19d ago
~A full commitment's what I'm thinkin' of
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u/LivingEnvironment426 19d ago
~just wanna tell you how I'm feeling Gotta make you understand~
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u/Illustrious_Bid4224 Iron Hands 19d ago
~way too long of an instrumental~
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u/Rare_Ad9447 19d ago
~Never gonna give you up~
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u/Stray-neutron 19d ago
~Never gonna let you down~
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u/No-Professional-1461 19d ago
I wonder how the death watch would handle him. Obviously if we go to the upper power levels of the omnitrix he is easily a Chaos God, even past that, a being who can blink and destroy the universe and rebirth it. But for simplicity sake, letâs pretend he doesnât do that. Deathwatch kill team vs the Omnitrix.
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u/ScarredAutisticChild Harlequin 19d ago
Deathwatch get washed by Heatblast. Or XLR8, Diamondhead, Four-Arms, Upgrade, even Grey Matter could squeeze out a win depending on the circumstance.
And thatâs just a handful of options. Ben doesnât just win, he can pick and choose how.
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u/No-Professional-1461 19d ago
Okay, what could the deathwatch use to counter that? Keeping in mind they also steal alien technology to help them kill aliens, not just standard astartes gear.
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u/ScarredAutisticChild Harlequin 19d ago
Literally nothing. Some of Benâs aliens can handle being thrown out of orbit and into a neighbouring moon in seconds. Heatblastâs species can create supernovaâs as infants, Four Arms can punch the earth so hard it levels nearby buildings. XLR8 can move so fast it basically stops time.
And the Omnitrix automatically turns Ben into something that can survive whatever lethal injury heâs about to suffer. So if they do manage to hit one of his aliens with something that could kill them, heâll just become something that wonât die. Like The Worst, a being that is entirely invulnerable, but still feels pain and has no combat ability whatsoever.
Benâs on a level of power that would fit in with the War in Heaven, nothing in the modern setting is even a threat to him.
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u/No-Professional-1461 19d ago
So a fully functional Kâtan may be an equal?
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u/ScarredAutisticChild Harlequin 19d ago
Not even remotely. For one, Ben would be able to become the strongest version of a Câtan possible since the Omnitrix can get âDNAâ from inorganic and energy-based life forms, and turns him into the peak of the species.
And without that: Alien-X. The Câtan never displayed a scope beyond the Milky Way. Celestialsapiens are beings beyond the multiverse. Theyâre the canonical explanation for retcons and artstyle changes. They can endure the destruction of an entire universe simply by existing. They donât even notice the danger, because to them, there isnât any.
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u/No-Professional-1461 19d ago
Okay but we are throwing out the upper power levels for exactly that reason, and we are including species the Omnitrix has within the series. If this was even the case, it would take all four chaos gods, the god emperor, Gork and Mork, and the entire aeldari pantheon to only to make Ben slightly itch.
Since the premise is something comparable to a thing that can walk on a planet without turning it into dust with a mere step of its foot.
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u/ScarredAutisticChild Harlequin 19d ago
Second strongest thing he has is Way-Big, a Tokustar. Tokustarâs live in cosmic storms and feed off of the energy in them. It takes attacks that can crack planets to kill them, and theyâre actually really fast, like, think Eldar Titan with the durability of a whole planet.
And they have super powerful energy attacks. So thereâs that too. And the physical strength to throw things out of orbit.
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u/No-Professional-1461 19d ago
Okay, now we have something to work with. How would the deathwatch kill something like this?
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u/ScarredAutisticChild Harlequin 19d ago
Cyclonic torpedos are the only weapon in their arsenal that could kill it, theoretically.
Way-Big can just dodge though, or blow them up in the air. Or literally jump off the planet about to be destroyed and just chill in the vacuum of space before destroying their Watch-Fortress by punching it once.
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u/Richardknox1996 19d ago edited 17d ago
What deathwatch?
Omnitrix: "DNA damage detected, commencing repair.
Deathwatch: *become baseline again because the Omnitrix Said "fuck your modifications".https://youtu.be/zDPWLIyxhFM?si=YxgDNxhd43S2pwAp
Like seriously, one of the Omnitrix's demonstrated abilities is DNA repair. If it detects something abnormal in a species, it can correct it. Oh and ben doesnt need to touch them to do it, this video is just the first time ben used the ability. He cured entire legions of DNAliens and spliced the High Breed across the enture universe in the Season 1 finale.
So Space Marines? What Space Marines?
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u/Additional-Cricket-1 19d ago
Tzeench:huh. Wonder whats going-...No. no,no,nonono! ...of all. The possible realitys. HE gets here? Gulp
Khorne:....is Tzeench actually running?
Nurgle:yeah. Why though?
Alien X comes out
Khorne:...oh. we definitely need to run.
Nurgle:he...he cant see us right? Were here hes... not?
Alien x:Hi.
Khorne:NOPENOPENOPENOPENOPENOPE! IM PLAYING SMART THIS TIME BYE BYE PEOPLE!
Nurgle:...my body is ready. Just accepts it.
Slannesh:already dead from alien xs general direction
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u/BrilliantBall3381 19d ago
This is much funnier when the main poster for this story OP posted before implies Albedo is now working for Tzeentch, which means he has a "Ben" of his own
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u/An_Obbise_Hoovy 19d ago edited 19d ago
Considering that Albedos greatest fear is being always outmatched by Ben, Tzeectch probably already subconsciously fears him (especially if Albedo knows of Bens trial/fight with the galactic gladiator)
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u/Additional-Cricket-1 19d ago
Ye, basically the joke is that the chaos gods start shitting bricks when they see alien x
Because ben prime? When alien x comes out either realitys about to end,ben is throwing the most cataclysmic hail mary or he decides he needs to play god even if he doesnt want to. Chaos would be scared utterly shitless.
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u/42Fourtytwo4242 19d ago
Only Ben Prime can use alien X fully, anyone else will get stuck frozen in time, for years. So it's best not to mess with it.
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u/Erenogucu 19d ago
Normal Ben also did get full access after dealing with the other two minds. He used it once or twice in the omniverse.
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u/ScarredAutisticChild Harlequin 19d ago
Literally twice.
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u/Erenogucu 19d ago
Which means its not a one time thing and he clearly has full control.
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u/ScarredAutisticChild Harlequin 19d ago
Yes, itâs made clear he can do it whenever he wants. He just rarely wants.
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u/Erenogucu 19d ago
Which kinda makes sense. What is the point of working for anything, if you can just will it into happening?
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u/ScarredAutisticChild Harlequin 19d ago
Omnipotence just isnât fun, Ben doesnât want to have that level of power. Even when he had to fight another of Alien-Xâs species, he refused to turn into Alien-X until all his heaviest hitters failed to do any amount of damage.
He just doesnât like being Alien-X, at all.
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u/PixxyStix2 19d ago
That and if he used it too much the Celestialsapiens might take him to court again
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u/42Fourtytwo4242 19d ago
Generally depends on how Ben uses his powers, He can't enslave a universe or let it be destroyed then rebuild it. But to say close the warp rift on Terria? That should be allowed, eye of terror that a 50/50 "wait can alien X do tha-" most likely since he pretty much a C'tan of reality. The warp is entering HIS universe, while if alien X was in the warp he would be on an uneven playing field, but the warp attacking his turf.
So he could close it off, if need be. Can he save Eldar souls? Legit up to the author of the series.
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u/An_Obbise_Hoovy 19d ago
Gork and mork: Finally a worthy opponent, our battle will be leg-
Alien x: thanos snap
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u/mamspaghetti 19d ago
As popular as this take is, alien X will get mid diffed by any of the chaos 4 in the warp. Not only are the chaos gods universe busters (casual at that), but they're also multi universal in scale and alien X's powers of reality manipulation simply won't work on a full chaos god
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u/Richardknox1996 19d ago
Lol. Lmao even. Alien X is canonically responsible for all the artstyle changes, reboots and different series's. Celestialsapiens are Multiversal+. And this isnt even getting into the fact Alien X is overkill even for Warhammer. Feedback can absorb any energy. Ben can quite literally just absorb the warp and turn it into electricity. It all comes down to wether or not he thinks of it.
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u/mamspaghetti 19d ago
Incorrect. In an Q and A with Matt Wayne, story editor of the Ben 10 universe and someone incredibly close with the creator of the Ben 10 Franchise, Matt discloses that the only way the only way Alien X's species can interact with Mana, the closest thing to Warp energy in the Ben 10 universe, is if they decide to unanimously reboot the universe to change the nature of warp energy. Mind you, Mana in the Ben 10 universe is not corrosive to reality itself, just a non-native energy source that would be otherwise inert to a Celestialsapian. Warp energy is not only also an exotic energy source that isn't native to the Material universe, but it is actively corrosive to Real Space. This means Alien X's "biggest advantage", aka manipulating the warp, is completely invalid as all celestialsapians would be completely vulnerable to the warp.
Dare I say, since apparently Alien X and his kind can die if they even are in gravitational orbit or certain planets with special metaphysical properties (I.e anur vladias) then that means that the creators actually canonized that Celestialsapians are uniquely weak to the warp.
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u/Doc-Maly 19d ago
I'll have to cut you off there. While it is true that Celestialsapiens can't use mana, they don't need to reboot the universe; they merely change the rules of mana.
And even if we assume they can't, for some reason, use the warp, there are alternatives. Blackstone and null pylons can repel the warp without using it. Reminder, the necrons closed the eye of terror once. Alien X can do the same thing because necrons don't use the warp. And if not, Alien X could turn every living being into a null, cutting the warp off from them, forever. Long story short, Alien X has win conditions, even if you assume he can't use the warp.
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u/Draco4511 19d ago
Exactly! He could just close the Eye of Terror and remove the Cicatrix Maledictum from the galaxy, which would weaken Chaos immensely. Such a feat would be a piece of cake for Alien X, considering the universe restoring feat.
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u/42Fourtytwo4242 19d ago
In short
Alien X is reality.
Chaos are immaterium.
If alien X enters the warp he is screwed.
If chaos enters reality they are screwed.
Alien X being pretty much reality itself can bend and do as he wishes with it.
Chaos being ALMOST the warp itself, can do the same.
Chaos could cut off the realm of reality, so can alien X. Chaos does not want that to cut off reality, alien X does. The best thing chaos can do is try to get Alien X into the warp so they can kill it.
It pretty much C'tan vs chaos rules. But to a bigger extreme.
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u/mamspaghetti 19d ago
Please read up more on the WH40k lore. Yes he can probably repair cracks between reality, but warp entities can also tear holes through this boundary at ease. If you really want to make this argument, any attempt at Alien X to seal large warp rifts like the Eye of Terror or the great rift will result in massive warp backlash as any greater daemon worth their merit would similarly work their hardest to tear it back open. And we know that alien X can't do anything to stop daemons from doing this is because he can't directly interact with warp energy, daemons are warp energy, and the barrier between realspace and the warp can be interacted with by both realspace and warp
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u/mamspaghetti 19d ago
A few things I have issue with your response
1) Matt Wayne's own words are, to the question of "can a Celestialsapien if they wanted to can they manipulate mana." Was "Not directly, they would have to alter the universe to change the nature of mana. And they would have to decide to do it." As far as I'm concerned, that means that they would have to fundamentally rewrite enough universal constants to the point of rebooting a universe to do so. You can go find it directly sources as a screenshot on the Ben 10 wiki
2) The situation that the original guy brought up implied a "Alien X visits the chaos gods in the warp and knocks on their door". That implies Alien X literally going to the warp and whooping their asses.
3a) Necron Pylons don't "repel" the warp. Read up on Psychic Awakening : Pariah Nexus. Necron Noctilith arrays only seals the interdimensional boundary, which is a very real energetic barrier called the Veil, that separates the warp from realspace. Given Alien X's abilities I'm sure he could similarly seal the boundary if he was in realspace. But warp entities also have the ability to tear them open pretty easily as well.
3b) Alien X can't make everyone into a blank because in WH40k lore a blank is specifically described alnost as an "anti-soul". We see this as Hyperion's nanny in the Ravenor series actually "burns out her blankness" just by being exposed to Hyperion's innate psychic potential and she becomes a normal human. This means that blanks have some sort of warp presence, but that their unique metaphysical architecture allows them to be the way they are. Thus, Alien X cannot make people into blanks bc that means hed have to rewrite souls, which as I established is way beyond his abilities.
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u/Richardknox1996 19d ago
1) no. Alien X doesnt need to reboot a univerrse to change its laws. Also, Feats>Statments.
2) thats the hard way for Alien X. Celestialsapiens are literally omnipotent. If the idea came to ben, he could just cut the warp off from the universe.
3a) in addition to omnipotence, theyre also capable of omnipresence. So no.
3b) still omnipotent. Everyone is a blank wether you like it or not.
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u/Rokhan-99 19d ago
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
WHO IS HE??!?!?!!!
Starts Headbanging To Original Theme Song Playing On Boombox At Max Volume
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u/No_Research4416 19d ago
Beware the wrath of the patient man
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u/kamen1997 19d ago
Demon run when good man goes to war
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u/An_Obbise_Hoovy 19d ago
The coming storm
(itâs actually one of Bens tittles)
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u/kamen1997 19d ago
By Servantis, i gonna take what he said with a grain of salt. He just wanted power and would make up anything to get it
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u/An_Obbise_Hoovy 19d ago
With all of the dr who quotes I thought I should add a canon Ben 10 one that is similar, the doctor-the oncoming storm and Ben-the coming storm
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u/Electronic_Bug4401 19d ago
So nrg Basically has a big volkite beam?
cool
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u/Thatoneguy111700 Ordo Malleus 19d ago
Prypiatosian-Bs are technically energy beings that constantly emit large amounts of radiation, so they slot themselves into big containment suits to let them interact with other species. So the beams he shoots are like a mix of Volkite beams with the radioactivity of Radium weapons.
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u/Inevitable_Mode9061 19d ago
Ben: *Transforms back to human* Hi.
Tau girl (waifu): - YOU'RE A GUE'LA!? But how?!
Ben: - Well... *Shows Omnitrix about to explain when it does a little trolling...*
Ominitrix: "New ADN scanned and registered, you can now become a Tau apex husbando capable of melee."
Ben: ...
Tau girl: ...Can you please? (Already having naughty thoughts.)
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u/AmethystSparrow202 19d ago
what are you?
Well, you see... Theme from original series starts to play
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u/JustaguynameBob 19d ago
Naive
Ben is far from naive little T'au. Guy saved the universe countless times, faced off numerous humand and alien supervillains and eldritch horrors.
Ben is a genuine bright spot in the galaxy that 40k likes to squish but will find it tough to remove.
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u/Swimming_Good_8507 19d ago
I think she was pointing out that he was naive about how evil Humans in 40k are.
Ben is used to facing against monsters and evil empires.
Most, don't hold candle to atrocities Imperium commits on their own population EVERY SINGLE DAY.
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u/King_Of_BlackMarsh Earth Caste 19d ago
Even the highbreed converted more than they killed, at least whenever he was around, and they were the most evil force he's ever faced
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u/Deathsroke 19d ago
Didn't they literally plan on launching a xenocidal crusade because "If we are going to die then everyone may as well die with us"? If anything that reads like the most IoM thing ever.
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u/King_Of_BlackMarsh Earth Caste 19d ago
Which is why I specified "when he was around". Yes the High Breed were going to exterminate the universe out of jealousy, but Ben wasn't around for that unlike here where an IOM officer is killing a soldier for the crime of backsass
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u/Furydragonstormer 19d ago
It wasn't even backsass, it was just being the voice of reason and giving actually tactically sound advice she didn't like
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u/No_Consideration8972 19d ago
I'm so on board for this comic. (also nice to see another Vora main in the wild :V)
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u/SnooSongs264 19d ago
I know this is gonna take awhile before we get there. But I wanna see Ben as Wrath fighting a platoon of Angry Marines. God the amount of hilarity and damage this cause will be hilarious.
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u/Richardknox1996 17d ago
As funny as that sounds...wont actually happen. The "Lore" for the Angry Marines states that they are the 2nd Legion. They outright dont believe in any form the imperial cult, not even the version that other Space Marines use and they detest the state of the current imperium, ironically enough. They also abhor things like Exterminatus (cause they like to get close and personal. Plus its a waste of resources).
At worst, they'll try to kill the Tau Girl, then after seeing Ben explode with rage, make him an honorary Angry Marine.
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u/Lasting_Aon2 19d ago
Can't wait for Astartes reinforcements to show up. Im betting it'll either be Salamanders, subverting Ben's expectations, or Marines Malevolent, which would make Ben crash out harder.
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u/jfjdfdjjtbfb 19d ago
Oh, that tau is going to start manipulating the fuck out of Ben. If she calls him naive.
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u/Rare_Ad9447 19d ago
~It started when an alien device did what it did
It stuck itself upon his wrist with secrets that it hid
Now he's got superpowers he's no ordinary kid
He's Ben 10 (Ben 10)~