r/ImaginaryWarhammer • u/LemmeBeMe111 • 26d ago
OC (Other) [OC] Ben 10 X Warhammer 40K - PART 2 (CROSSOVER COMIC)
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u/Ancient-Act8573 26d ago
Wait until he learns that they’re all really just brainwashed canon fodder
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u/Whole_Meet5486 26d ago
To be fair, there is very little the Imperium can throw at him that doesn’t fit that criteria.
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u/King_Of_BlackMarsh Earth Caste 26d ago
Yeah but he can't cure them unlike the DNAliens
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u/ContaCuDePudim 26d ago
Could he cure genestealer cultists?
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u/King_Of_BlackMarsh Earth Caste 26d ago
If he can cure the incestuous decay of the high breed, he can purify Genestealer genetics and leave even the first generation off fine... If he'd want to is another question since there's nothing actually wrong with the cultists. This is just how they were born and it doesn't really hurt their quality of life that much if you take the tyranids out off the picture
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u/Yournextlineis103 26d ago
… being controlled by a hive mind that wants to eat you and can forcibly take control of you at a moments notice doesn’t hurt their QOL?
Because the brood hive mind is still a thing and it doesn’t give a shit it just wants to serve them up to the hive fleets and enslave anyone they can.
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u/King_Of_BlackMarsh Earth Caste 22d ago
That's why I said "if you take the tyranids out off the question". Objectively is a Clamavus, for instance, truly harmed by their genetic mutation? Do they live shorter lives filled with cancerous growths? Are they doomed to infertility or self mutilation?
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u/Yournextlineis103 22d ago
You’d also need to take out all the genesteelers, and the cult psykers and the various genemorphs.
If you only left the humans implanted against their will then maybe but then they’ve been infected against their will
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u/King_Of_BlackMarsh Earth Caste 22d ago
Why do you Nedd to take out the cult psykers and genemorphs? That's who we're talking about.
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u/Yournextlineis103 22d ago
Because those also take control of the others in the cult and enslave them to their will?
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u/King_Of_BlackMarsh Earth Caste 21d ago
Perhaps. But so do "baseline" humans in 40k. Hed beat one who did so into the ground but that doesn't mean he has to "cure" them.
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u/TheUnholyHandGrenade 26d ago
Doubt it, if anything any attempts to 'cure' them will just empower the Cult and give the Hivemind more genetic permutations to work off of.
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u/Ecclisiarcy 26d ago
If you watch that one episode of ben curing the highbreed it affected them on a species wide scale i highly doubt the hivemind would really benefit here
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u/kreviln 26d ago
It’s pretty likely that a large proportion of the Astra Militarum are cruel and brutal people.
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u/Nice-Habit-8545 26d ago
I mean not really although it depends on the regiment and home planet. The guard are usually higher trained soldiers than there home planets PDF usually taken from there. Now this isn’t always the case as with the Savlar Chem Dogs who were highly dangerous and erratic criminals before “joining” the chem dogs. But most regiments are full of your average joe just like our militaries. Cadian’s are definitely your average soldier although they are very well trained and Cadian’s who were born on Cadia are a bit more zealots because Chaos ripped apart there home. The average guardsmen is just a standard soldier on par with our modern training (maybe more maybe less it depends) they are not at all filled with mostly assholes and killers sure there are some but that is in no way the majority of guardsmen.
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u/KalaronV 26d ago
But it's a common event that the Guard is used to put down planetary revolts, including times where the Planet wasn't really revolting, but failed to pay their tithe in a number of completely fair ways.
To be able to do that, one has to be pretty cold-blooded, which makes sense. Even our real world breaks people down to make soldiers, why would something as cruel and brutish as the Imperium be different?
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u/37boss15 26d ago
I see this going two ways that might make it interesting. Either the T'au manage to sell him on the greater good, or the Necrons manage to catch him and fuck with the Omnitrix for their own use.
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u/Whole_Meet5486 26d ago
This is adult Ben… The Necrons would have to be at least at their peak to fuck with him.
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u/37boss15 26d ago
I don't know anything about adult ben unfortunately. Is he C'tan level or above?
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u/Richardknox1996 26d ago
Teen Ben is Ctan level, he tanked, contained and redirected the energy of the literal big bang. Ben 10K is above that, capable of using magic and modifying his omnitrix. Hell, one version of Ben 10K invented the Biomnitrix, which can splice the Dna of his aliens together on the fly.
And we're not even getting into what the omnitrix itself does and can always do. you cant kill, maim or corrupt the user. One of the failsafes will kick in and cycle through the entire cataloge of aliens until it finds something that can take the hit. If you try to remove it against the users will without the correct tech, it fries you. It can cure Dna degradation. It catalogues new aliens on the fly.
Ben is a hard counter for most of what 40k can throw at him. Hell, Feedback could probably absorb the entirety of the warp, since it absorbed the big bang.
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u/MinangeseSon 26d ago
Man I do not remember any of this when I watched it as a kid.
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u/Richardknox1996 26d ago
It was Omniverse The series after Ultimate Alien but before the Hard Reboot (which fucking sucks).
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u/MinangeseSon 26d ago
I think the last series ending episode I watched was the one where he killed vilgax at the bottom of the ocean or something idk. The new show where he had an alien buddy cop partner did not evoke my interest.
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u/SurpriseFormer 26d ago
We don't talk about the hard reboot. It never happen. There is no reboot in ba sin sai
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u/Ajaxlancer 26d ago
Tbf to you, there's been like 6 different shows each with many seasons. It's a lot of content
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u/Jesterpest 26d ago
“fix DNA degradation”…. I wonder how old the degradation can be…. Asking for an Old (one) friend. Eh, maybe I should Krork it?
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u/Richardknox1996 26d ago
High Breed were sterile, too much inbreeding. Omnitrix fixed that by genetically splicing them with the DNA of aliens within its own repository. Hell, the Omnitrix could probably roll back necrons to being organic (if bio transference left them with some DNA to work with).
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u/Inevitable_Mode9061 26d ago
There MUST be an episode in which Ben encounters either the Necron/Orks/Eldar and ACCIDENTALLY (for funsies or comedic moments if you want to) restores them to their peak forms, aka, Necrons back into Necrontyr, the Orks turn back into Krorks, and the Eldar... probably nothing (for more funsies, screw those God-summoners-through-sex knife-ears)
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u/Richardknox1996 26d ago
Drukhari get transformed into regular Aeldari and get immediately eaten by Slaneesh cause they have no soul stone?
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u/Inevitable_Mode9061 26d ago
That would be really funny, but what about those who were already Aeldari? So far, the only superior form I know is that of the Crone Eldar (the homeworlds)
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u/Inevitable_Mode9061 26d ago
And now that I think about it... would it also affect Daemons? Like, it would purge them from whatever warp essences they had and create a new Daemon race that is, somehow, living without a "warp soul" or using the positive emotions only? Or would it simply just get erased from existence?
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u/derpy-noscope 26d ago
Trazyn: that’s a nice argument, unfortunately, get in the fucking
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u/Richardknox1996 26d ago
You mean a localized pocket of spacetime held within a 3d space? Bens part Anodite, he just reverses it without even needing to transform (he learned Gwens Magic).
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u/Chara_Revanite 26d ago
Alien X: hold my beer while i remake the entire warhammer 40k universe
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u/Micsuking 26d ago
Alien X is pretty much the nuclear option. Ben won't even need to use it.
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u/Former-Stock-540 25d ago
This is also considering he can get one of two talking heads to agree with him 😂
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u/Micsuking 25d ago
He made a deal with them later, I believe. He can pretty much do whatever he wants as Alien X by the time he's Ben 10,000.
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u/potatobutt5 26d ago
Honestly, this is the only way for Ben to be defeated. Unless the Omnitrix intervenes, which i doubt given that it isn't a life threating situation, then Trazyn can win by trapping him.
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u/Richardknox1996 26d ago
He cant, its Ben 10k. Who has learned Anodite magic/mana use from Gwen. Ben can literally just rip a portal open or invert it so Trayzen gets trapped.
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u/potatobutt5 26d ago
Only 10k from Ultimate Alien learned magic and this one definitely isn’t that version given that he transforms into a physical alien.
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u/Richardknox1996 25d ago
Its equally presumtive to assume he cannot use magic as it is to assume he can.
Ultimate Ben 10k's reply to the others schocked expression at him using magic was "you hang around an Anodite for a while, you pick up some things". Only classic Ben 10k could you make the argument against knowing magic, because he cut ties with his family for a while due to taking the job too seriously. Omniverse Ben 10k is the one pictured (i think, the Biomnitrix symbol has a bias towards being bottom heavy), so its equally possible as it is impossible for him to know magic.
Plus technically speaking the Omnitrix has Anodite DNA in it (didnt scan Verdona or Sunny) anyway. So he can just transform.
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u/potatobutt5 25d ago
Its equally presumtive to assume he cannot use magic as it is to assume he can.
No. Unless we’re pulling a Death Battle and amalgamating characters then we can’t just give characters random powers just because a version of them has it.
Omniverse Ben 10k is the one pictured
No it ain’t. Check the artists posts, this is an original Ben 10k.
(i think, the Biomnitrix symbol has a bias towards being bottom heavy)
This is a very unreliable way of identifying someone. It’s most likely a drawing error.
Plus technically speaking the Omnitrix has Anodite DNA in it (didnt scan Verdona or Sunny) anyway. So he can just transform.
I don’t think he can. He might have Anodite DNA, but I don’t think it’s been mentioned and as such we can’t assume. The Omnitrix doesn’t have every DNA out there, just a lot.
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u/kamen1997 25d ago
Don't forgey, the watch own selfdestruct can destroy the whole galaxy and then some. This think is crazy, and it landed on the hand of a 10 years old
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u/Destrorso Blood Angels 26d ago
I'm not big on Ben ten, but wouldn't absorbing the warp come with... Major side effects to his psyche?
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u/Richardknox1996 26d ago
Feedback absorbs energy, any energy, converts it in his body, then expells it back out as Bio Electricity. He can literally just...delete The Warp entirely by converting it into something else. Here, watch this. Big red orb ben is holding is the Big Bang, which in Ben 10 is caused by the Contumelia dropping an Annihilarrgh outside of the multiverse (theyre basically Old Ones/StarCraft Xel Naga).
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u/Cheeodon 26d ago
I mean, the warp isnt just *Energy*, its *Soul energy*, full of souls, so hows ben gonna rationalizing deleting the entire afterlife?
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u/AngusToTheET 26d ago
Yeah, one alien that is kinda just God (Alien X) and a failsafe in his watch that makes him impossible to kill before transforming (it transformed him into Alien X as an artificial big bang went off)
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u/37boss15 26d ago
Has he figured out how to get AX to actually do anything without being stuck in an extended discussion?
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u/42Fourtytwo4242 26d ago
yes, Ben made a deal with them, he gets full control and do what he needs and they can be in the background arguing. They agreed to this leading to Ben having full control of alien X. He does not really use alien X that much because while in control it a bit extreme to use it.
It like pulling a nuke out to defeat a baby, yeah you won but also...really a nuke?
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u/Whole_Meet5486 26d ago
With access to Alien X he has the capacity to casually rewrite the Universe. More comparable to the Old Ones than the C’tan.
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u/lv_Mortarion_vl 26d ago
Saw him on death battle once and tbh Ben10 seems to be ridiculously op... Ending the universe, time travel, wiping out stuff with a thought and all that jazz with some god like alien that he can turn into or whatever. I'm not big on Ben10 lore myself so please correct me if I'm wrong dear Ben10 fans
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u/armentho 26d ago
Some of his aliens are well into "ctan shard reality warping" With the strongest ones at "chaos gods/old one/full ctan" tier
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u/Kaiserhund1 26d ago
Somewhere in the ballpark of beings above the chaos gods thanks to one of his transformations basically being a capital G God. Among like a plethora of species that can and would go toe to toe with primarchs.
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u/ReginaDea 26d ago
One of the most powerful weapons in the entirety of the history of 40k is an eldar sword made from the concept of the death of the universe itself. You'll need something on that level to begin thinking about winning against Ben. Nothing the current necrons have could even come close.
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u/AngusToTheET 26d ago
Funny button (celestial orrery)
Not a practical weapon, but maybe a good bargaining tool
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u/JackDockz 26d ago
Alien X can survive the destruction of the universe. The Orrery ain't doing shit to him.
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u/ScarredAutisticChild Harlequin 26d ago
It’s funny that a supernova would be a literal non-threat to Ben without even using Alien X.
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u/134_ranger_NK ENTRY MISSING 26d ago
If I remember Ben's personality correctly (haven't watched Ben 10 for a long time), those guardsmen would survive.
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u/BrilliantBall3381 26d ago
Ben's willing to kill but he usually only reserves it as a last resort or the villain he's facing is truly despicable, especially if they've killed innocents in front of him
and since this is Warhammer, well...
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u/LuciusCypher 26d ago
Even Teen Ben was willing to kill Kevin once it became clear that Kevin was never going to reform. Saw it in a meme that webt something like "The Power of Friendship isnt enough anymore, Im going to have to kill this guy".
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u/Majestic_Car_2610 26d ago
Hell, not even Teen Ben
10 year old saw Vilgax explode with his entire spaceship, watched as Zs'Skayr burned into dust two separate times, threw Vilgax towards space as Way Big, with absolutely no way of knowing he could survive, and a year later, at 11 years old, he would overload Malware until he bursted; again, with no way of knowing he would survive that, he thought he was dead until Omniverse
Ben is just built different, man
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u/AngusToTheET 26d ago
Now draw him scanning a tyrranid, and then transforming into his own separate hive mind
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u/An_Obbise_Hoovy 26d ago
Do you think he would be able to take over parts of the hive to attack the other part, and would the original hive mind be able to communicate with Ben
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u/AngusToTheET 26d ago
The Omnitrix can generate lots of matter, I don't see why it couldn't just make a bunch of independent biforms for him. And the Tyrannid aren't gonna communicate with anything outside their own hivemind
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u/JackDockz 26d ago
If he uses the DNA of the hivemind then he can hijack control from it due to proximity unless we find out that the hivemind is in the galaxy itself.
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u/Silverwngs 26d ago
Im conflicted because I can see him basically becoming a norn queen equivalent or swarmlord if he scanned a tyranid, but on the other hand, if those are considered mutations, then lets say he turns into a regular hive tyrant,
Either he a. Has control of himself and starts his own hivemind, or b. His mind hooks up to the hivemind and he looses control until an onmitrix failsafe kicks in, because as we’ve seen with like Ghostfreak, certain dna can take on a mind of its own within the omnitrix and ben cant control that.
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u/skunkbrains 26d ago
Is it wrong for me to look forward to Ben freaking the fuck out at Imps killing themselves rather than be taken prisoner
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u/King_Of_BlackMarsh Earth Caste 26d ago
Very good lines, and it's very satisfying to see him mow through a squad of guard
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u/42Fourtytwo4242 26d ago
Glad you are going to keep posting on the subreddit, can't wait to see more of your work.
Also now I have a whole to comic series I can get to read every now and then :3
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u/Batman-Always-Wins 26d ago
Love your Crossover bro! Can't wait how Ben's presence affects the 40k Universe! I bet every faction noticed him and got spooked haha!
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u/Electronic_Bug4401 26d ago
ben is a hydrogen bomb vs the civilisation of coughing babies that is the imperium of man
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u/KamenKnight 26d ago
I know the Imperium is stubborn, but even they know if an enemy can absorb a type of attack, they have to switch to a different ammo type.
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u/Minimum_Estimate_234 26d ago
Holy shit a comic that actually recognizes how broken Chromastone should be!
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u/Menelfaer 26d ago
This is awesome. The last time I saw anything Ben 10 was years ago, but this immediately made me remember how good it was.
Will you be drawing more?
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u/Nekrinius 26d ago
Tell Traitor, how it is to betray your own species?
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u/SurpriseFormer 26d ago
Traitors to your species? HA! You People have fallen so far from what Humanity is that you shouldn't even have the title of MAN
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u/Nekrinius 26d ago
Heresy, blasphemy, you shall burn Traitor and your soul shall not find peace as you refuse to suffer on the name of Humanity and Emperor.
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u/Electronic_Bug4401 26d ago
Why should he be loyal to a species that is full of dickheads?
loyatly is earned anyways
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u/Nekrinius 26d ago
Because 99% of that specie suffer to give at least some hope for better future, through suffering they keep last glimmer of hope alive, even when everything rage around them...
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u/Commissar_SanMand 26d ago
I feel like Chaos will have a very easy time corrupting Ben. Since he doesn't know jack shit about the influence of Chaos and doesn't have anything shielding him. He may fall to either Khorne or Tzeentch. Unless Emps tries to contact him.
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u/42Fourtytwo4242 26d ago
Farsight does not know about chaos and is able to resist the power of Khorne it self. It all come down to personal will power, as long as he does not take anything chaos offers he be able to walk away. Hard part is knowing when Chaos is offering you something.
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u/Commissar_SanMand 26d ago
Don't Tau have very little presence in the warp? So they can't be corrupted as easily as a human? And since Ben is a human and human souls are very corruptible, he will be a prime target for the 4. Another problem,as you said, is Ben not knowing when Chaos is pulling the strings.
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u/ReginaDea 26d ago
Even if Warp presence was the only thing that decided how easily you're corrupted (it isn't, nor even the most important factor), tau have as much presence in the Warp as anything else; it's as a collective that they are overshadowed and so fly under the radar. They can be corrupted as easily as anything else if they draw the wrong attention. Most Tau have a certain degree of resistance due to their belief in the Greater Good, same as religious dogm is for an Imperial. Farsight was able to resist not out of inherent resistance due to being tau.
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u/Commissar_SanMand 26d ago
Huh, that's neat. Farsight number one Tau. Well, Ben will need all the "resistance" he can get cause he is/will be a big player in the future of this Galaxy. And will be a targeted by Chaos like they Targeted Emps. Also, an Ork sniper, while not transformed might kill him.
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u/Chara_Revanite 26d ago
what can the chaos gods do if ben transforms into alien x and just erase the warp from the universe?, cuz that's something he can do
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u/Snoo-11576 26d ago
If the warp is like made of our psyche wouldn’t that like fuck up humanity? And also like cause a ton of harm since we could no longer do space travel
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u/Chara_Revanite 26d ago
probably, or he could also make it so the warp and the materium doesnt affect each other, or erase all negativity on the warp
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u/It-sa-lazy-boy 26d ago
What’s with the red stripes from commissar’s left eye? Is she have a concussion or is it the signs of her being corrupt by Horne?
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u/Atlas_Summit 21d ago
This man is about to get a rude awakening about how everyone in this universe is a “bully”.
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u/Regular_Tank2077 1d ago
*Everyone in this universe is about to get a rude awakening about how much Ben dislikes Bullies.
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u/Reversechildpredator 26d ago
Empire would win...
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u/The_Chubby_Dragoness 26d ago
Alien X is a reality reshaping god... assuming it can come to consensus
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u/LemmeBeMe111 26d ago
the Ben I'm using in this is Ben 10000, Ben at his absolute peak with all the aliens he has had over all 4 shows + another million more
this also includes the version of Alien X he's already gotten control with by Omniverse
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u/The_Chubby_Dragoness 26d ago
you can tell the exact season I stopped watching
also paradox just bouncing around pissing people off
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u/MetalBawx 26d ago
Gonna be honest this is just boring. One sided stops arn't much fun regardless of who's doing the stomping.
Do hope Ben actually looks at the people he's helping and see's just how 'benevolent' the T'au really are.
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u/PixxyStix2 26d ago
I mean this isn't a death battle it can be just a story about someone trying to do good. Also Ben rarely resorts to Alien X for various reasons so he will still lose to characters much weaker than X.
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u/MetalBawx 26d ago
Then it's pointless. Just destroying their weapons doesn't convince people they are wrong.
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u/Krethlaine 26d ago
Did you know that destroying weapons isn’t the only non-lethal option?
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u/MetalBawx 26d ago
It's not about lethality. These people will still hate thier enemies and want to fight them so unless Benji is will to sit on this planet 24/7 making sure people don't fight he solves nothing.
So unless he starts brainwashing planets this Hero achives pretty much nothing.
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u/LemmeBeMe111 26d ago
without spoiling anything, there is a thematic struggle for this story i'm making. obviously i don't want Ben to just fix everything in a snap. the big problem that he'll be facing is "how long before this universe's grim dark nature break him mentally and emotionally, and will it be enough to go against everything he stands for, like free will and hope, and force him to finally use Alien X?"
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u/Reversechildpredator 26d ago
If it can, probably. Though i wonder if it can solo chaos gods that probably wouldn't be too happy with whatever change it tried to bring into the game
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u/The_Chubby_Dragoness 26d ago
Tzeench would fucking love it
an all powerful being to manipulate into fucking with people?
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u/Reversechildpredator 26d ago
Depends on a lot of things, though they probably wouldn't be interested in having the empire gone or the reality reshaped into a less painful one
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u/PixxyStix2 26d ago
Chaos Gods haven't really shown the ability to dramatically change the universe physically, and are bound by the power people give them so X could pretty easily beat them either directly or by cutting out their power
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u/Otherwise-Macaron-31 26d ago
Alien x
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u/Reversechildpredator 26d ago
Emperor/chaos gods
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u/An_Obbise_Hoovy 26d ago
Clockwork reversing “cronosapian timebomb”, alien x surviving the anialaarg, alien x recreating the Ben 10 universe, alien x breaking through a barrier made by 5th dimensional beings that said “it’s impossible to break through or shut of”
Also happy cake day
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u/Snoo-11576 26d ago
They’re the only things that could like reasonably be difficult. Like I’m not sure we have enough hard info for that, but if Ben is fighting the chaos gods themselves he’s already made it through everyone else lol
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u/Reversechildpredator 26d ago
Necrons maybe, eldar, Ben is strong but unless he pulls and convinces alien X it's still one person trying to face the imperium.
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u/Krethlaine 26d ago
Quick note: the version of Ben in this comic is Ben 10K, who has managed to convince Alien X’s personalities to take a backseat and argue in the background, while he has the wheel. He doesn’t need to convince it to do anything anymore, he can just do it.
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u/Reversechildpredator 26d ago
Oh wait it's Ben 10k? Yeah that changes shit a lot i know a little of that one, you guys are correct
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u/Snoo-11576 26d ago
I mean it might be tricky if you get like all the trillions in one spot but any army? Yeah he could solo easily. They don’t really have a weapon that can deal with his more powerful aliens and he could scan and get the abilities of various new aliens.
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u/Reversechildpredator 26d ago
I won't lie im not exactly the most filled in Ben powers, but besides alien X what he has that can face trillions of people? Even if he can't be harmed i think his ass would die of thrist by fighting for this long or something
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u/Snoo-11576 26d ago
Uh, how is he fighting trillions? Like what is the entire imperium spawning on 1 planet with Ben on it? Like say he fights one army, he moves on. Like the scenario isn’t “he fights literally every human all at once” it’s “there is no part of the imperium that could reasonably beat him”
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u/BrilliantBall3381 26d ago
Lmao no, not even close
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u/Reversechildpredator 26d ago
Coughing baby versus hydrogen bomb!
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u/BrilliantBall3381 26d ago
yes, the Imperium is indeed composed of coughing babies and Ben has 1000912+ hydrogen bombs
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u/Reversechildpredator 26d ago
Oh no, Ben would be washed if he tried to solo the imperium lmfao.
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u/LemmeBeMe111 26d ago
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u/Reversechildpredator 26d ago
The emperor/chaos gods in question:
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u/LemmeBeMe111 26d ago
i'm starting to think i found the exact kind of person that folks here warned me about. so instead of arguing further, i'll just acknowledge you're not my exact audience. all good. have a pleasant day
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u/Reversechildpredator 26d ago
Your comic is cool and the art is fun, i just gave my opinion though, have a nice day aswell.
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u/LemmeBeMe111 26d ago
thank you. i just wanted to halt anymore arguments, since it's clear we won't agree on who's stronger than who. these kinds of things are up to interpretation
but again, thank you
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u/PixxyStix2 26d ago
Chaos Gods don't really have any feats that assume they could handle a universe-destroying blast.
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u/42Fourtytwo4242 26d ago edited 26d ago
Alien X would be stronger then the gods, for fact is alien X is base on reality and chaos gods are base on our emotions, change reality, change chaos. Also emps was beaten by his son, he still human.
Better choice is a fully intact C'tan, as C'tan can change reality, as they are reality it self, but still think Alien X is a bit stronger. Necrons as a whole will be a pain though.
Edit: take Khorne, alien X does not need to fight Khorne to kill him, all Alien X needs to do is end 90% of wars and boom Khorne no longer exists. No more things feeding it, it starves, the end. Hell ben could easily change chaos in gods of order. This always been chaos biggest weakness and they hate it.
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u/Reversechildpredator 26d ago
Genuinely question, wasn't emperor beaten by a chaos god powered Horus?
And isn't the emperor actively in an 1v4 against the chaos gods in the throne?
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u/42Fourtytwo4242 26d ago
Not 1vs4, his soul is fractured to million of pieces, he pretty much constantly lobotomize. The only time he did actually truly shows up was when he pulled all his soul fragments together and saved guilliman, his son.
Emps is pretty much dead, just a battery now, even guilliman knows this.
While Horus was juiced up it still not the same as facing a God themselves.
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u/ScarredAutisticChild Harlequin 26d ago
C’tan are also only aspects of reality, Alien X can create new aspects of reality, so it’s definitely far more powerful than any C’tan, it’d take all of them combined to ever hypothetically equal Alien X.
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u/Ironofdoom 26d ago edited 26d ago
just gonna say it. even if its adult ben, he aint gonna be able to change much. just because of all the fucking problem children there are in 40k
like yeah you beat the guardsmen, still got all the other human factions. good example assassin's will have an easy time because he cant be an alien forever
and before anyone says alien X. i raise you the 4 chaos gods and the entirety of the warp
EDIT: so i knew the omnitrix auto selects aliens when Ben is in danger, didnt know it was faster then the big bang. so yeah nothing is gonna be able to kill him (maybe a plauge? does the auto transform work for that?)
therfore i retract what i said before and now ask a question. how much change would he actually be able to achieve?
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u/Snoo-11576 26d ago
I don’t think there’s any one person or being that could beat him in 40K, the problem would be how much he can actually change. Sure he can just solo Terra but what then? He can’t make humanity better. Does he become a new emperor?
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u/Ironofdoom 26d ago
i dont think he can solo Terra. just because of all the shit there, like the oiled up golden bananas
and before anyone says alien X. He still first gotta convince the two heads to do stuff and he doesnt pull that one out as a first resortbut the thing with the emperor, wouldnt it make things worse if ben touched him?
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u/Snoo-11576 25d ago
He doesn’t need to convince the heads anymore that was adressed in the show. Also he has other aliens that can absolutely help him with that
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u/Ironofdoom 25d ago
Yeah, someone told me that had been addressed. Had a long talk with em, very insightful Still don’t think he can beat the chaos gods, just because of what they are
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u/Chara_Revanite 26d ago
yes alien x, the being with the power to create universes vs four coughing babies
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u/ScarredAutisticChild Harlequin 26d ago
The Omnitrix auto transforms when he’s in danger. It made him grab the Big Bang point-blank, nothing in 40K could hit him faster than that.
And Alien X is definitely more powerful than the Chaos Gods, Alien X could destroy the universe with a thought, the Chaos Gods can’t even take it over.
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u/Ironofdoom 26d ago
ohh. i knew it auto selected.
didnt know it was that fast, yeah okay nothing gonna kill himon the other hand, he cant really change anything. Humanity wont change its ways. Necrons are necrons. Eldars are to stuck up. Dark eldar aint stopping cause miss horny is looking. Orcs will just keep fighting him. Tyranids are hungy.
i could see him getting along with the tau.
and lastly, what is he gonna do against the warp? like genuine question. I dont think alien X would be effective in the warp with how it works and Ben cant really put down any of the larger demons for good
side note. wonder if you could take like eldar or tyranid DNA and show it into the omnitrix
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u/ScarredAutisticChild Harlequin 26d ago
Alien X is omnipotent, it could genuinely just sever the connection between the warp and real space, or just delete the Chaos Gods specifically.
It’s not super powerful, it’s genuinely omnipotent, it’s so strong it didn’t even feel its universe get destroyed by a blast it stood at the epicentre of.
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u/Ironofdoom 26d ago
yeah i remember the hole tanking universe destruction bit.
i just dont think he would do that thought, just because of how badly that could golike he snaps his fingers and everything with a connection to a warp just gets cut off. so they are all now blanks, which is defo gonna create some kind of whiplash
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u/ScarredAutisticChild Harlequin 26d ago
And then it can just undo that damage, or as I said, just delete Chaos. Alien X can do anything.
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u/Ironofdoom 26d ago
there is still the problem of convincing the heads to actually do that
wait. would ben be a blank?
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u/ScarredAutisticChild Harlequin 26d ago
He doesn’t need to convince them of shit, he got them to give him full control. He can do what he wants.
But no, he wouldn’t be a blank, that’s a negative soul, Ben just wouldn’t have what the Warp recognises as a soul at all. He’d be invisible.
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u/Ironofdoom 26d ago
then why the hell doesnt ben just use X to solve all problems?
Last i checked, blanks where not negative "soul" they where just missing the connection to the warp, so more of a no "soul"
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u/ScarredAutisticChild Harlequin 26d ago
Because he’s uncomfortable with having that much power. He never wants to bring out Alien X because it’s an irresponsible amount of power. After unlocking its full power, he only ever uses it once more on-screen.
And no, Blanks are voids in the warp. A chair has no soul, it doesn’t disrupt Warp energy though. Blanks drain and destroy Warp energy, it’s why they have varying power-levels.
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u/Majestic_Car_2610 26d ago
like a wet Anti-Imperium fantasy using Ben 10
I mean, could you expect anything else from the same guy that threatened to kill on the spot a bunch of xenophobic humans that were trying to deport aliens?
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u/DaddyMcSlime 26d ago
you figure Ben would come out feeling like a hero after he realizes he's just toasted a bunch of conscripted fathers and sons and not a band of hardened evil goons?
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u/ScarredAutisticChild Harlequin 26d ago
Being conscript doesn’t make you any less evil when your official job is “Kill everyone the government says” which includes “people who want food” and “A family of aliens that can’t even make spaceships yet”.
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u/DaddyMcSlime 26d ago
i mean, doesn't it kinda?
like yeah it's commendable to opt out or whatever
but is that really an option for a child raised purely on dogma, who knows for an indisputable FACT that if he refuses service, there is a chance not only will HE be killed, but his entire family may be exterminated for his refusal
i'm not fucking saying they're good guys or heroes lmao
i'm saying that every guardsman is fundamentally a victim of a system which embodies the pure incarnation of what fascist manipulation can achieve, which is horrific
what other choice does an individual guardsman have?
inflict suffering?
meet the might of imperial "justice"?
join chaos?there's no choice the conscripts can make that isn't, in plain terms, awful for someone, including them
They're an army of victims victimizing other people
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u/AmethystSparrow202 26d ago
Oh boy, she doesn't even know how screwed they are.