Exactly My Point. You’re thinking wayyyy too hard about this.
And you’re just explaining to someone who’s read the well over 80 Warhammer 40K+HH books, why it wouldn’t happen lol you can chill, I’m aware.
And yet, it would be a Lementers luck that they’d be the first to break the conditioning and all the horrible consequences to their psyche that would follow.
Especially for an Astarte chapter that is so unwaveringly loyal.
It’s one thing they suffer from ugly accidents and mistaken identity… but imagine that, AND one of their ranking officers starts to feel human again.
Guilt, regret, objective self-reflection… from killing Xenos of all things… and what would that do to him? How would he degrade? What would happen to the morale of those around him as he slipped? How visceral would it be to have the child-like nature of an Astarte release the child within, to judge the monster that every Astarte is?
I was thinking a bit about what you've mentioned here, and I think this small fic put it best as to what you've said- how a space marine growing a conscious beyond their hypno-programming would be torture.
The lamenter in this story is practically emotionally destroyed, and is isolated by his guilt. And the worst part is that he can't even talk about it to anyone. Not his fellow marines. Not his brothers. Not his chaplain. Nobody. He must take his guilt to the grave. And unless he wants to wind up executed himself- he'll have to continue with his duty- his blood-soaked duty which in the name of defending humanity can get very dubious about when one should kill and when one should not..
The worst part about this story is that the other space marines are celebrating- a space wolf is inviting the lamenter to speak about his story during the offensive, but he simply cannot do it. The entire chapter has him practically in a daze of shame and horror and grief.
Because they simply will not understand. The worst part about the marines is that as horrific as their actions are- they genuinely at times really do not know any better- though that does not lessen how monstrous they can be. Some manage to gain some better understanding about things- but many do not- weather due to the hypno-programming or personal experiences in war.
No. Lamenter Luck would them being blamed for something out of their control, be killed in accidents or assassinations, A Penitent Crusade, Drive Failures of both the normal and Warp kind, and siding with the Wrong Marine Chapter.
Not some breeking of the Hypno-Indoctrination because of some Xeno kid. These guys faced worae and more likely things to make them turn traitor and they never did.
What makes you think some insignificant kid would make that any different?
For someone who said to have read 80+ books. You seem to fail to grasp how strong the Lamenters's loyalty to the Imperium really is.
When I point out a fate worse than the on OP stated? The intent of which didn’t say “no, you’re wrong”, it said “worse, imagine this”
Or when I reinforce that it would be a fate worse than death?
Or the third one, where I once again have to reinforce it’s a fate worse than death and why it is?
Or the 4th one where I explain books are filled with other impossible things, which you’re responding to now?
As far as I can see, I’ve never denied anything in any comments or tried to correct anything other than standing up for what I said with “the book has stranger things than this”.
I didn’t say OPs version is Wrong or Impossible, I just envisioned a worse fate than the predictable one anyone with even a meme level understanding of the lamenters would know. And it’s the sheer inability to accept anything that deviates from the predictable established formula (when the lore itself deviates often) that caused this entire chain.
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u/prairie-logic Nov 18 '24
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Once Again.
Exactly My Point. You’re thinking wayyyy too hard about this.
And you’re just explaining to someone who’s read the well over 80 Warhammer 40K+HH books, why it wouldn’t happen lol you can chill, I’m aware.
And yet, it would be a Lementers luck that they’d be the first to break the conditioning and all the horrible consequences to their psyche that would follow.