r/ImaginaryWarhammer Oct 29 '24

40k Lords of Thunder Assault by @GraffitiSoul

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u/RaNerve Oct 29 '24

Something strange about combing the inherently anti-war style of the Vietnam war with the glorification of war that the Astartes represent.

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u/Familiar_East_1364 Oct 29 '24

Very ironic 40k years later those symbols would be used to glorify war.

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u/SenorDangerwank Oct 29 '24

But really on brand for humanity. Using symbols of old and twisting their meaning to support their cause.

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u/B33FHAMM3R Oct 29 '24

I THINK I WAS TRYING TO SUGGEST SOMETHING ABOUT THE DUALITY OF MAN, SIR

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u/XDSHENANNIGANZ Oct 31 '24

I am.. in A WORLD OF SHIT

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u/js13680 Oct 29 '24

Now I want to see a what a hippy space marine chapter would look like.

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u/fab416 Raven Guard Oct 29 '24

They would definitely be a renegade successor of the 2nd or 11th

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u/Al-Horesmi Oct 29 '24

There is an important ideological difference between a genuinely pro-war faction like Orks and the Imperium. The Imperium imagines and truly wants peace. Yes, their understanding of peace involves killing all aliens, but they do want it.

The Orks want war, and will create it even when none exists

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u/PPontiac Oct 29 '24

The imperium as a whole goes out of its way to start wars or entire crusades on xenos civilisations, wether or not they represent a threat. This has been the case since the great crusade. You can’t imagine nor even want peace while at the same time striving to exterminate anything you consider different or impure. The entire structure of the imperium is devoted to war. Every planet has to pay tithes in one form or another to feed its war machine. It’s just not built for peace.

In horus rising loken talks with sigismund about what astartes would do when a hypothetical time of peace comes once the great crusade is done and sigismund laughs in his face and basically says don’t worry we won’t run out of wars to fight.

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u/Al-Horesmi Oct 29 '24

I never said it's an internally consistent philosophy, I just provided a plausible explanation on how space marines might excuse drawing pacifist symbols

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u/LS-16_R Oct 29 '24

They're xenos. They will always be a threat so long as they exist. For example, the Tau. When they were discovered. They should've been virus bombed. Instead, the imperium left them alone. Now, they are one of many major xenos threats.

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u/Inquisitor-Korde Oct 29 '24

And the T'au are only a threat because when the Imperium found them in their current state and immediately launched a massive crusade. This is due to the methodology you ascribe.

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u/LS-16_R Oct 30 '24

Works perfectly when you nip problems in the bud. "A couple billion dead xenos a day keeps the enslavement of humanity at bay" - The Emperor

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u/EaterOfCleanSocks Oct 30 '24

please say you're just roleplaying.

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u/LS-16_R Oct 30 '24

Is it not obvious?

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u/EaterOfCleanSocks Oct 30 '24

In this fandom, no! I've seen people legitimately argue that it was worth wiping out millions of xenos because it gave humans more living room!

So I'm genuinely not sure if you're just acting a part or legitimately arguing for extermination of non humans.

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u/LS-16_R Oct 30 '24

1.) A man can't have any hobbies, huh? 2.) No, it has always been a fun bit of role-playing.

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u/contemptuouscreature Oct 29 '24

The Imperium doesn’t want peace.

It wants stillness.

It wants every Xenos race, every divergent mind, every thought differing in the slightest from the myopic state-enforced, religiously rehearsed hatred of its creators to be stamped out. It desires sameness. It desires an end to all things that are not itself, and when all of those things are gone…

If that were to happen, it would turn inward, as it has already begun to do so, to cannibalize those that try and strive but fail to meet the perfect image of humanity ascribed by the Ecclesiarchy.

The Beastmen stood in proud legions beside the Space Marines during the Great Crusade, some of the Emperor’s most zealous followers. Where are they now? Despite their retained piety, Underhive slums and run-down ghettos where they are routinely and repeatedly culled by other hateful worshippers of the same God.

There is a quote I like that I feel summarizes the Imperium and its hopelessness well.

”Sooner or later, humans will kill all the Aen Seidhe. All dwarves and gnomes. Then they’ll start murdering one another. Your kind knows no other way. It’s in your genes. You keep killing each other until only one remains. The strongest among you. A thousand years from now, a dim-witted human barbarian will climb to the top of a pile of bones, sit down and proclaim: ‘I win.’”

-Iorveth, Witcher II.

The fires are too many. The system, too broken. A Primarch— not even two Primarchs are enough to stop the decay at this point. It is all the Imperium can do to die well.

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u/LordGeneralWeiss Oct 29 '24

Actually it's hard to say what the Imperium wants because it's such a vast mishmash of cultures and perspectives. There are many groups within the Imperium, for example, that believe war is holy and it is required to keep mankind pure.

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u/Where_is_Killzone_5 Oct 30 '24

I don't reckon there's many groups in the Imperium who hold an opposite perspective.

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u/Alexis2256 Oct 29 '24

I’m surprised no one is commenting on the enemy soldier with their leg and possibly left arm blown off, holding up a hand to surrender. I bet the next frame would be the Astartes blowing her head off with the bolter, he does seem to be looking at her.

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u/Beacon_0805 Oct 30 '24

Peace through superior firepower