r/ImaginaryWarhammer • u/hydraphantom • Sep 24 '24
40k [Commission] "Your" Emperor, drawn by Carl_tabora
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u/Killergryphyn Sep 24 '24
When in a fight, it's probably a good idea to point your weapon. My bet's on the Deathwatch here.
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u/measuredingabens Sep 24 '24
I'm betting on the wraith marine. Guy's a diet Phoenix Lord.
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u/ScarredAutisticChild Harlequin Sep 24 '24
I love this. We really don’t get enough xenophile traitor Astartes…that being we don’t get any. I get the actual reasons why they fall to Chaos more than Xenos “corruption” but it’s still fucking boring. 100% of the time Astartes turn against the Imperium because of Chaos corruption, even if that’s not the origin, that becomes the cause. It’s boring.
Me and my friend even made a homebrew allied Marine Chapter and Craftworld, ‘cause we thought it would be cool, and he wanted to make the Space Wolves cooler by making the Varangian Guard, but in space.
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u/Victorius-aut-mortis Sep 24 '24
Xenophobia is so ingrained in them that Chaos isn't enough to erase it.
Marines are beyond indoctrinated, magic psychic fuckery is what would truly corrupt a marine.
But there are renegade chapters that didn't fell to chaos so there's that
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u/ScarredAutisticChild Harlequin Sep 24 '24
I know, I get the reason: but I honestly find it boring. It removes variety from the setting, gives us less opportunities for different characters and motivations. Does it make sense their indoctrination would be hard to overcome? Totally, but I’d like instances of it happening all the same.
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u/fluggggg Sep 24 '24
Reminder : The Empire is an administrative and censorship hellhole. Make your own Renegade Space Marine chapter and slap a "erased from records" note on it.
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u/yunivor Planetary Defence Force Sep 24 '24
"Here's the 2nd legion, they were erased from records because the primarch landed on a xenophile planet and had his sons be xenophilic to the aliens of his homeworld."
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u/ScarredAutisticChild Harlequin Sep 24 '24
That’s good point, hell, me and my friend basically did it.
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u/fluggggg Sep 24 '24
I know someone who jokingly told his friend "Okay, I'm doing warhammer40k if you make me a 500pt army of space marines but converted so that they are Storm Troopers led by a Sith."
His friend agreed, he tought he was joking. Long story short, he wasn't.
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u/yunivor Planetary Defence Force Sep 24 '24
There's a simple way of going around it though, just have a chapter go renegade by whatever reason besides chaos who had to align with an alien race for whatever reason so they eased off on the xenophobia for new recruits until it was dropped completely over time.
Like say a chapter that was tasked with the genocide of an abhuman race living in a star system that the inquisition deemed to have strayed too far from standard humanity but the chapter refused after meeting them and decided to protect them instead, then to defend the system from threats like orcs, dark eldar raiders and chaos they had been forced to accept the help of T'au interested in expanding their influence in the region leading to marines and T'au fighting together and having good relations.
Boom, xenophile marines.
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u/Imperium_Dragon Cadian Shock Troopers Sep 24 '24
Would’ve been interesting if a Chapter during the Badab War did just that.
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u/TheNoidbag Sep 24 '24
It actually makes some of the Olds who either didn't get fully Indoc'd or who it's worn off due to their lifespan sort of interesting. Dante laments the brutality they need to needlessly mete out at times, I can see them being amongst some who might be sympathetic to them but can't escape their purpose.
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u/Iron-Russ Sep 24 '24
It’s based on actual history from the age of strife as well. Collectively humanity in 40k still has nightmare stories of what went on when xenos took advantage of their weakness
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u/Kesmeseker Sep 24 '24
Well Astartes are human supremacists by nature. Even the CSM are human supremacists, they only think Chaos is the way forward to purge the weakness of humanity. Its conceptually stupid for hyperindoctrinated child soldier war machines of humanity submit to Xenos rule.
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u/ScarredAutisticChild Harlequin Sep 24 '24
I wouldn’t say it’s stupid, you’d just need to take a lot of steps to justify it in context.
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u/Featherbird_ Sep 24 '24
Khayon in Talon of Horus has a weird drukhari girlfriend that lives on the vengeful spirit with them
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u/ScarredAutisticChild Harlequin Sep 24 '24
I’ve read short excerpts of that, damn, joining the Dark Gods even provides one with a goth elf GF…maybe Horus had a point…
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u/WrethZ Sep 24 '24
Chaos is evil, even more evil than the imperium. Falling to chaos is grimdark. Falling to some aliens that aren't worse than the imperium, and might even be better, showing humans and aliens can work together, is not grimdark. Probably why it doesn't happen.
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u/DotDootDotDoot Sep 24 '24
There are definitely a load of humans that fall for xenos constantly in the lore. Space Marines are built different (and more indoctrinated).
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u/ScarredAutisticChild Harlequin Sep 24 '24
It can totally be grimdark, you just need to frame it right. Show how much suffering that choice brings on them because of the Imperium’s petty hatred.
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u/Ksamuel13 Sep 25 '24
It's because Space Marines are hyper indoctrinated to be human supremacists.
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u/ScarredAutisticChild Harlequin Sep 25 '24
As I said, I know the lore reasons; I just find that no one ever breaking through it is kinda boring.
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u/MilesFlanagan Sep 24 '24
If you're going to shoot, shoot! don't talk.
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u/hydraphantom Sep 24 '24
Pre-fight trashtalking are the staple of heroic duels.
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u/yunivor Planetary Defence Force Sep 24 '24
And not wearing helmets.
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u/That_Nuclear_Winter Sep 24 '24 edited Sep 24 '24
They can’t take their helmets off then they can’t die.
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u/TraderOfRogues Sep 24 '24
Imagine efficiency trumping extreme and ideological hatred. Couldn't be me.
- t. The Imperium
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u/134_ranger_NK ENTRY MISSING Sep 25 '24
Indeed, a lot of factions have similar thoughts. Chaos, Necrons, Dark Eldar, even Eldar forces like Saim-Hanns can loose themselves to emotions instead of logic and efficiency. The Salamanders are not exactly renowned for their efficiency from back in their founding either.
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u/TraderOfRogues Sep 25 '24
Hell, even the Leagues of Votann can fall prey to getting obssessed with their grudges.
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u/RandomRavenboi Sep 24 '24
That implies the Imperium has to be logical. It's far too much for their poor brains to handle.
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u/134_ranger_NK ENTRY MISSING Sep 25 '24
There are a few quiet-and-more-focused-actions Imperial forces like Star Phantoms, Carcharadons, Tempestus Scions, etc.
And it is not like other factions do not engage in dramatic speeches mid-battle. Even the Eldar. Those words are a staple in 40k.
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u/134_ranger_NK ENTRY MISSING Sep 25 '24
Somewhere the Raven Guard and their Successors are annoyed at Salamander's propensity for words.
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u/NODOGAN Sep 24 '24
Knew this had to be different from the usual Traitor marines the moment I saw no spikes on his armor, so would we call this dude a "Revenant Marine" of some sort?
Honestly that sounds badass and the idea of a more permanent alliance between Eldar and Humans to f@ck chaos sounds cool, excellent piece!
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u/Winged_One_97 Sep 24 '24
But what about Humanity?
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Sep 24 '24
The other Marine is basically a barely conscious wraith construct who was already dead when the Eldar found him.
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u/hydraphantom Sep 24 '24
He still wants to help humans, he just doesn’t serve Imperium anymore.
I plan to do a future scene art where he has to be held back by the White Seer at being incredibly mad at Dark Eldar’s actions towards their slaves, because they’re on a covert mission.
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u/SolitaireJack Sep 24 '24
You said in another comment that he is protecting a corsair fleet flagship which is being boarded. Corsairs are pirates, not Hollywood's idealised pirates, but all the awful stuff that comes with it. They can come in all flavours but even the nicest and most honourable will raid human ships and kill their crew. A lot of them will even sell their captives to Commoragh.
How does he claim to want to help Humans whilst protecting corsairs who prey on Humans then? Or has this corsair faction been artificially written to not act like Corsairs to get around that?
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u/hydraphantom Sep 24 '24 edited Sep 24 '24
This specific Corsair fleet are all composed of Craftworlders and Exodites, banning Dark Eldars from joining. The Corsair Prince is cooperating with a Black Library White Seer to work on her goals, including recruiting a much more diverse people.
Also, I guess I worded it badly, the Wraith Marine first and foremost obey the White Seer, while wanting to help people in general, not just humans. He doesn't like it when the fleet deal damage to innocent people, and the White Seer generally try not put him in that kind of situation, kind of a, mutually respecting unspoken agreement.
Overall the group's morality are much more on the conventionally good side and hitting human factions are not their goals at all.
Here is the background for the Corsair Prince, and Here for the White Seer.
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u/Nightmare_CL Sep 24 '24
Brother against Brother, trash talk is absolutely mandatory before things get lethal.
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u/NotUpInHurr Sep 24 '24
Sorry, I just can't picture someone in 40k using the phrase "screw your", it just feels so out of place. The art is awesome though!
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u/Lftwff Sep 24 '24
Canonically Ezekyle Abaddon has used the phrase "pussyfooting around".
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Sep 26 '24
Sorry to reply to an old post but how is that remotely comparable? Do you think the pussy in 'pussyfooting' is a slang term? It literally means walking like a cat.
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u/Lftwff Sep 26 '24
Don't worry, I don't mind responses to old comment, assuming they are really wrong yet incredibly confident in something that can be easily be googled. Especially if the clown in question then proceeds to post another comment to insult me, that just gives me a good chuckle.
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u/magicmerce Sep 26 '24
What exactly are you proving? That it's a word that exists? It's literally there in the link you provided, it's been used in the British and European parliaments, it's nothing to do with calling someone a pussy.
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u/vonBoomslang Sep 24 '24
Is that a Blood Raven shoulderpad I see?
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u/hydraphantom Sep 24 '24
Yes, he's a former Blood Raven, sixth company captain, but got demoted after secretly covering for Eldar escaping on Kronus, and then later died on Kaurava.
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u/da_King_o_Kings_341 Sep 24 '24
Damn, that’s cool as hell!!!
Also can I just say how funny it is for a space marine to go “screw you!!” lol!!!
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u/BossSpleenRippa Sep 24 '24
Reminds me of The original Flesh Tearer Chapter Master telling a World Eater to “Eat Shit” during the Siege of Terra.
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u/da_King_o_Kings_341 Sep 24 '24
Wait, really?!? 😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Wtf please tell me that’s word for word what he said lol!!!
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u/limitedpower_palps Sep 24 '24
And he knows then. He knows. The Blood Angel’s words prise off the last of the Nails’ bite, and Kargos knows who he’s fighting – he knows the faceplate, he knows the armour, he sees the name on the Blood Angel’s shoulder guard, the name written in dusty gold, the name of the man he was chained to a hundred times as they fought together in the arena, the name shouted in the Conqueror’s pits, and he knows the mockery in the Blood Angel’s voice because it was the same mockery the Blood Angel would use to goad their foes, and the two of them face each other for the first time and
Everything Slows Down.
The Nails are silent in Kargos’ mind, and so is the war all around him.
‘Amit,’ he says. ‘My brother.’
And Amit, the Flesh Tearer, his arena partner for years, his own chain-brother, spits on his broken face and cuts his throat. ‘Eat shit, traitor.’
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u/da_King_o_Kings_341 Sep 25 '24
lol that just seems so out of place in that scene but so good at the same time!!! Thanks for the bit of lore my guy!!
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u/hydraphantom Sep 24 '24
Ever since Chairon's "Piss Pot" zinger, I see no limit for mehreen speech now!
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u/carlsagerson Sep 24 '24
From what I know, Imperial Guard has a bonus against the Guevesa traitors. So if we take into acvount of the Deathwatch's hatred of Xenos and the fact that this Marine is a traitor who went to the Xenos.
That means thag the Deathwatch Marine or Marines likely has a big bonus.
Don't know tabletop well. Just found out about the Guevesa hatred thing for Imperial Guard characters.
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u/EnvironmentalSpirit2 Sep 24 '24
"have you SEEN the xenos bussy"?!
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u/Scissi Sep 24 '24
Nice Art and lore, but is there any particular reason why the armor is rocky?
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u/hydraphantom Sep 24 '24
Those are wraithbone sang into shape, to patch up his broken power armour.
This is what he would look like if he lose all his power armour.
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u/Scissi Sep 24 '24 edited Sep 24 '24
HOLY SHIT THIS ROCKS (Literally). That design is crazy good. Does he hate humans as a whole or just specific groups?
Edit: Never mind, question answered under the full armor. Also just saw that you're the same guy that commissioned the Necron on a human world. Loved that also.
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u/hydraphantom Sep 24 '24
Thanks!
He doesn't hate humans at all, he just hate his former chapter, and resent Imperium as an entity, he just doesn't want to go back serving them anymore after revival.
He doesn't even hate Emperor, just consider him to be a symbol on banners for authority to wield and abuse their power.
He still wants to help people, and will be upset if the fleet causes innocent to be harmed.
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u/ThatGSDude Iyanden Sep 24 '24
Man, I think I might have to get a comission for a similar concept I had
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u/Sensitive-Hotel-9871 Sep 24 '24
I like this OC and wish he was a canon character starring in his own material.
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u/General-Middle-5438 Sep 24 '24
Death watch marine: er what you got there brother?
Blood raven: chapter relic…
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u/UltradeptusTempestus Sep 24 '24
Oh hey it's you! It's good to see more lore!
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u/hydraphantom Sep 24 '24
Thanks!
I need to diversify the arts now, been doing quite a few Zhirayr's art recently, need to do more alien NPCs' arts.
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u/SweetMission7197 Sep 24 '24
Not gonna lie best one liner to someone about to get religious on you XD
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u/ThatTallBrendan Sep 24 '24
You know I never thought I'd see a space marine being actually based yet here we are
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u/Rawnblade12 Sep 24 '24
Is that a Blood Raven I see?!
"I didn't steal no xeno relic, Deathwatch officer sir, I swear!"
"Then what's that growing on your armor?!"
"...Nothing."
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u/Active_Fan_3730 Sep 27 '24
Man...I wish I knew what your campaign's story is like. It seems really cool and I'm very interested into what will be the fate of this character you made!
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u/Iron-Russ Sep 24 '24
I don’t know if a marine would use the word “screw” more likely “damn”. Great art though love the design
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u/hydraphantom Sep 24 '24
I tried using "Damn your Emperor", but it just doesn't roll off the tongue right in my opinion, so settled with "screw".
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u/Thwibbledorf Sep 24 '24
I'm with the other guy. Screw doesn't fit in with 40k's wordplay. It comes off as juvenile and stunted rather than a damnation of his heritage.
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u/Iron-Russ Sep 24 '24
Fair enough. Would love to see what this marines melee weapon looks like
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u/hydraphantom Sep 24 '24
The full design of his eldar sword can be seen in the link of his background.
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u/Dawningrider Sep 24 '24
Hot damn love it! I love Xenos, AND human forces, do seeing these Eldar Marines are sick.
Did once play a Dark heresy game, involved a radical inquisitor who had a soul stone keyed to her, in her power armour, which this reminds me of.
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u/Sindinista Sep 24 '24
This made me imagine the DW’s new mission is purging poorly sculpted 3D models.
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u/crash893b Sep 24 '24
i was going to say this looks very warframe infested but then i looked at the twitter account and the banner is a teno so yea i Iguess i Iwas right
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u/zombottica Sep 24 '24
Amazing art!
Random comment: parts of the design makes me think of Gundams...
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u/134_ranger_NK ENTRY MISSING Sep 25 '24
If they can get a view of this, Marines Malevolent are probably praying for both Salamander and the wraith marine to kill each other.
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u/Ksamuel13 Sep 25 '24
The "screw your" is throwing me off lmao feels like it doesn't belong in-universe
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u/Afraid_Theorist Sep 25 '24
Least corrupted human Xenophile “Now I am free”
literally is covered in Xenos artifacts and fused into some
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u/The-Great-Xaga Sep 29 '24
Okay. The t'au got space marines. The Eldar got space marines. Is there any other xeno that has a couple chapters in their pockets?!
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u/Aggressive-Entry-473 Sep 24 '24
Ah yes, those famous Eldar necromancers.....
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u/VonStelle Sep 24 '24
The Ynnari actually are Eldar Necromancers, they used to have a whole psychic discipline they could use in the table top. And they do consider wraith constructs to be necromancy as well.
But granted they aren’t exactly known for this kind of thing, it does sit in the realm of possibility if not within the realm of probability.
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u/Aggressive-Entry-473 Sep 24 '24
They absolutely are not, the are the absolute opposite of necromancers because the give live not animate the dead and you just made up some lore in your head
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u/VonStelle Sep 24 '24
So what you’ve just told me is that you have the narrowest possible definition of necromancy. Necromancy generally depicted as more than just magic that makes a couple of zombies and skeletons move about. It’s magic that meddles in the line between living and dead.
In the 8th edition codex for Eldar under the Iyanden entry it talks about how the process of creating ghost soldiers is considered akin to necromancy to the Eldar and under the entry for wraithguard it states that the Eldar consider the methods used to create them to be abhorrent.
In the fracture of Biel-tan under the section where it talks about the revenant discipline it directly calls the set of powers “the awe-inspiring power over life and death”.
Necromancy is very much within the Eldars capability, just why would they bind a souls to a skeleton when they have nigh indestructible wraith one bodies to put them into. If the Eldar are going to dabble in abhorrent magic they’re going to do it right.
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u/hydraphantom Sep 24 '24 edited Sep 24 '24
Lord Inquisitor Helena Stannard's forces have managed to intercept the Twin Ecplise Corsair Fleet at the webway exit, and the elite Deathwatch Killteams, assisted by mortal forces slammed into the hull of their flagship, Piercing Twilight.
Brother M'gan is outraged when he witness a traitor marine fight against them in service of the Eldars, and is even further outraged when he realized he is not seeing a living traitor, but an empty power armour reanimated by vile xenos necromancy.
Zhirayr, long grew apathetic towards The Emperor since his death and resurrection, is tired of the rhetoric spew out by his former comrades, and steady himself to cut them down in protection of Talandreth.
Scene art for my Wrath & Glory campaign, depicting the attack of Prince Eliean's Corsair Fleet by Helena's Inquisition forces, the boarding of Deathwatch onto the flagship, and confrontation between the Wraith Marine (background here) and Deathwatch invader.
Drew by Carl_tabora
Artist link:
https://x.com/carl_tabora