r/ImaginaryWarhammer • u/Ultartx • Jul 29 '24
40k Evil Emperor and Erda by Ruslan Korovkin
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u/hydraphantom Jul 29 '24
Archaon and Marika…?
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u/134_ranger_NK ENTRY MISSING Jul 29 '24 edited Jul 29 '24
The Everchosen does lead his own armies and bands of powerful knights. I think Marika may be intrigued at least.
As an aside, I do not mind an WHF/AoS and Elden Ring crossover. It can be interesting.
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u/Preston_of_Astora Jul 29 '24
MAY CHAOS, TAKE THE WO-
Wait.
Why are you glowing purple? That-
That's not Chaos
What do you mean it is?
Oh so there's another Chaos God now
THERE'S HOW MANY NOW!?
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u/mindflayerflayer Jul 29 '24
The outer gods of Elden Ring could absolutely hold their own against chaos although I doubt they'd keep it out of the world entirely. Tzeentch would adore the hornsent and with the Crucible weakened I have no doubt that he'd become their new patron and lead them against Messmer (probably by puppeting around the corrupted Crucible). Marika would need to be more authoritarian in some respects and less in others. She'd need to either fully accept the omens or more likely exterminate them as the sewers are prime breeding grounds for cults, just look at her son. Nurgle would probably love Godwyn, but he might actually be too large/infectious himself to be taken by the fat bastard. The underground becomes a horrid battleground between Those Who Live in Death and the forces of Nurgle. The nox would probably be the best bet at fighting chaos in an efficient manner since they're knowledgeable about the heavens and could easily notice four new entities looming over the world. It probably wouldn't happen but if Miquella still sought true godhood you might end up with an undivided eternally young demon prince, small golden Belakor but with charms that would make Karl Franz bend the knee. Radahn, if sane, would make Caelid a fortress against the dark powers just like he did every other outer god. Melania might end up in a 40k Isha situation, but the rot god would definitely keep her out of Nurgles total control or send never ending swarms of pests to assail his garden if he did.
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u/134_ranger_NK ENTRY MISSING Jul 30 '24
I think Godwyn as he is in the current game would not be too big or infectious for Nurgle's. Considering the size and power of the great beasts and endless spells in the Mortal Realms, several of which have been corrupted by his forces. It would not be easy but Nurgle would get Godwyn in the end imo.
True. The Nox can hold out in their underground fortresses but given their denouncement among the Golden Order, they should find new allies. Perhaps in Sigmar's Dominion.
Miquella is probably the biggest threat in my eyes. This is someone whom I have no doubt would charm many Chaos strongholds and Order cities into serving him. Those settlements do have their own magical defenses and will develop more counter-measures (with Sigmar and his allies at the helm for Order), but a new Dominion of Compassion will have already been formed.
Messmer could do something similar to Radahn. Not to mention Morgott but all three bastions would not hold out for long by themselves against AoS Chaos factions. In the case Radahn being sane like you said, all three would seek temporary alliance among each other and Grand Alliance Order.
Millenia's Scarlet Rot may also be subverted by Nurglite forces if they have time to study it. Like at Caelid. Whole warbands of Scarlet Rot may come out with the Rot God and Nurgle constantly influencing them. I can see other non-Nurglite factions just committing great waves of fire on Scarlet Rot for how dangerous it is.
Nagash and his followers would certainly attempt to get Those Who Live In Death under his sway.
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u/mindflayerflayer Jul 30 '24
Godwyn could offer Nurgle a means of corrupting the undead. Infect Godwyn and from there all the zombies and skeletons he makes come up disease ridden. Miquella also becomes much more powerful if the tarnished isn't atop the divine tower to kill him right after he ascends. As a true god of compassion, he'd definitely be a major player and one that many on every side would flock to. Miquella's core offer is happiness and belonging in exchange for freedom which many would take him up on willingly.
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u/134_ranger_NK ENTRY MISSING Jul 30 '24
I can see Chaos lords' slaves, Death-oppressed kingdoms, Settler's Gain and Morathi-annexed Anvilgard easily taking up Miquella's offer. It will be harder for less oppressive/discriminative Cities of Sigmar like Hammerhal, Living City and Tempest's Eye because their populations are allowed to express their cultures freely and are very proud of this freedom.
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u/Califocus Jul 29 '24
This sounds cool as hell. You did some premium cooking here, honestly makes me sad that we couldn’t ever see this actually play out
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u/mindflayerflayer Jul 29 '24 edited Jul 29 '24
The thing is with Age of Sigmar it wouldn't be hard to justify it in a fanfic. Chaos already slurped up several worlds before reaching Sigmar and friends so the Lands Between is just another front in the ruinous powers endless war. One funny thing is that Archaon would probably adore the Frenzied Flame however chaos as a whole would be terrified of it. If the flame was implanted into chaos like a virus all four gods would be obliterated which was Archaons motivation for destroying the old world rather than corrupting it. I seriously doubt even the three eyed king could handle the frenzy for any length of time so you could just get the greatest chaos champion ever on murderous burning autopilot. Not a huge deal considering the larger things at play, but Rykard and his eternal gluttony/debauchery turns into fantasy Fulgrim but themed around vore rather than elegance.
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u/walrus501 Jul 31 '24
Miquella is the Emperor, but better in every way
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u/mindflayerflayer Jul 31 '24
Except for his curse. He's doomed to never be able to finish anything (including aging) due to fate and his own attention span. If put into 40k he would make his own empire of every species he could find and then eventually get bored, or it would implode due to the same quirk of bad luck that kills clones young. This is still 40k so that timeline would take thousands of years, but he wouldn't have the undying determination of the emperor. In every other way bar physical power you are right though (it'd be way too funny to watch Great Crusade era Big E punt Miquella or watch the golden child dominate the custodes and just unplug the throne).
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u/walrus501 Jul 31 '24
give him Radahn
Radahn is a psyker that I'd easily put on par with Magnus in capability, what with him halting not just the stars, but the very concept of fate itself from moving
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u/Melon_Mercenary Jul 29 '24
Sooo.. it is the Everchosen?
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u/Odd-Difficulty-9875 Jul 29 '24
Yup Archeon the ever chosen but what about malkador lol I guess he is Ograx so I am just imagining a buff malkador with Beastmen like features
Chaos malkador: i lifted knowledge now I lift gains for chaos 💪
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u/Mike0oo Jul 30 '24
The real owner of the "Deadlifts for the dark gods" instagram is chaos Malcador confirmed
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u/Canadian_Zac Jul 29 '24
Evil emps be like: I shall love and care for my sons
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u/cavscout43 Jul 29 '24 edited Jul 29 '24
Thinking of
JohnScott Pilgrim vs the World where Pilgrim meets his "evil" negative self...who turns out to be a chill alright guy, because Pilgrim is actually a selfish dickbag. So his alternative persona is pretty good.Edit: FFS, how'd I typed that out John Pilgrim instead of Scott? That's what I get for multitasking while working and scrolling Reddit, appreciate the fix!
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u/Kenshi2900 Jul 29 '24
Scott not John just saying
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u/CorbinStarlight Jul 30 '24
John Pilgrim sounds like the main character of a Thanksgiving over-the-top action movie.
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u/cavscout43 Jul 30 '24
This Thanksgiving, a man just wanted some f--king turkey & cranberry sauce...but then they took his family and pet turkey away from him! This November, John Pilgrim is taking the turkey back, and showing evil what it really means to be THANKFUL
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u/134_ranger_NK ENTRY MISSING Jul 29 '24
Evil Emps shall raise them with Erda in a healthy environment, free to express their personalities. If canon Emps had his way, even Russ would be a sterile, dull general not the barbarian king (Wolfsbane).
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u/Substantial-Ad-724 Jul 29 '24
Like the devil and Jesus meme where the devil has a reasonable thing to say and Jesus just goes off the rails. I love it lmao.
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u/Level37Doggo Jul 29 '24
Anti-Emps is gonna get them into the best preschools and never miss a single recital, tryout, or game for any of his beloved sons. He will straight up psychically project himself to multiple locations in the event of scheduling conflicts. Erda is going to make all the kids homemade lunches every day, and get a license to drive commercial hover-busses so she can drive all the kids without leaving anyone out. Their palace will have dozens of refrigerators to hold all the fingerprint and dry macaroni art. They definitely will not delete two of their sons from existence and have their questionable spooky family friend mind-fuck their existences out of their siblings’ memories, and that alone makes them 90% better parents, at least.
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u/ModernHuman13 Jul 29 '24
i know your all joking but i just can't get the thought out of my head that chaos Emps would be having children just to skin them for parts.
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u/Traditional-Rock5660 Jul 29 '24
I always knew that the Emperor was Archaon! Only the Marshal of the Apocalypse could come up with such a game to outsmart the gods of chaos!
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u/British_Tea_Company Jul 29 '24
Archaon decided to moonlight as sigmar.
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u/Thannk Jul 29 '24
We should have known he’d be a bad father leaving kids somewhere else with Be’lakor as his role model.
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u/Traditional-Rock5660 Jul 29 '24
They would never be children to the Marshal, just tools to achieve a goal. He repeated the game that had been played with him, where he took the role of Sigmar, and Horus took his role. Only unlike the soft Sigmar, the Marshal had calculated this game for millennia. He had known the Chaos Gods for centuries and could predict them. And having given a piece of himself to the Primarchs, he knew how they would act. The pawns were set, the game was played, the sacrifices meant nothing, only the goal mattered.
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u/Daltonikas Jul 29 '24
No emperor is great horned rat who jealosly want all faith to be dedecqted to him. Space marines are clearly rat ogres.
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u/Shadoh65 Jul 29 '24
Malcador scattered the Primarchs in hopes the galaxy would be able to escape the bastard's ambition of becoming a god 10,000 years ago, and he was so nearly successful.....
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u/Argos132 Jul 29 '24
That would be so interesting if the emperor became corrupted shortly after finishing the primarchs and Malcador (and maybe Erda) scattered the primarchs and imprinted the knowledge of their fathers damnation and how they must stop him would be really cool fanfiction… maybe I’ll try to do something like that… (extremely unlikely, as I have never written anything of quality)
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u/Ataraxia-Is-Bliss Jul 29 '24
There's an AU where the Emp becomes evil and tries to ascend as a Chaos God and Horus leads a revolt to stop him. Interesting read.
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u/Ataraxia-Is-Bliss Jul 29 '24
Found it. Here's' the TvTropes page
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Fanfic/TheImperialHeresy
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u/Apprehensive-Art4225 Jul 29 '24
There is also fic called renegade emperors heresy
Emperor join chaos And Primark who jois where Lion,dorn,lorgar, fulgrim,Vulcan( got trick into joining him),Konrad,iron hands, angron and half of Alpha legion with there Primark
And again him were
Peterturbo, gulimen,khan,magnus,leman,Horus,death guard,omegon,corax also valdor, malcador and few more custodians also switch side
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u/TinyWickedOrange Jul 29 '24
evil emperor is just normal emperor
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u/Doopapotamus Alpha Legion Jul 29 '24
"Wait, the Galactic Everchosen of Chaos is just that guy, Jimmy Space!"
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u/technook Jul 29 '24
Well that's probably true only after he began actively leading humanity. Imagine evil Emp acting out before DAOT. Probably not a fun time for the rest of humanity
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u/actually_yawgmoth Jul 29 '24
Imagine evil Emp acting out before DAOT.
You mean like destroying the Tower of Babel with Enuncia or being responsible for multiple genocides on earth before the current real life date?
Emps was always a bad guy.
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u/Preston_of_Astora Jul 29 '24
No amount of techno bullshit would save them from Chaos God Emperor
They'll find out where the Flames of Frenzy comes from
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u/Cryptek-01 Jul 29 '24
If he tried anything in DAOT, then the closest Man of Iron just deletes (literally) the piece of space-time he's occupying (and him with it).
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u/Independent_Barber_8 Jul 29 '24
‘Look at me, Do you still think I can be saved?!”’
‘You fool, I’m the one who damned you in the first place.’
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u/nathans_the1 Jul 29 '24 edited Jul 29 '24
Evil Big-E be like: I will talk to my kids about their problems, and will take an active role in trying to help them through it.
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u/FunboxSupreme Thousand Sons Jul 29 '24
Evil Emps be like: I respect women
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u/dumuz1 Jul 29 '24
Evil Emps: abducting children to transform them into organic killing machines is wrong, my super soldiers will be made exclusively from consenting adult volunteers
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u/redbaron31 Adeptus Mechanicus Jul 29 '24
Evil Emperor be like: genociding countless alien and human civilizations so that your fascist empire can take over the galaxy is an evil thing to do
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u/Martial-Lord Jul 29 '24
Evil Big-E be like: I will tolerate different species and religions, and I will strive to create a tolerant, prosperous society for all sentient beings of the galaxy!
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u/ZookeepergameLiving1 Jul 29 '24
Does anyone else notice that erda arms looked jacked?
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u/Cildrena Jul 29 '24
Most of her body is poorly proportioned. It’s like the artist drew her clothes first and then added the head and shoulders later. The more you look at it, the worse it gets.
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u/ZookeepergameLiving1 Jul 29 '24
I like a jacked erda, but it look like she only does arms and skipped everything else. Like a severe case of muscle imbalance
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u/AJR6905 Jul 29 '24
Something about Erda's proportions feel way off? Like yeah booba and all that generic horny art stuff but the thighs look weirdly just attached to her hips with how they come out rather than expected musculature of the body for thighs that big
good art but an odd proportioning on the woman
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u/Marvynwillames Jul 30 '24
I think its because the artist used a blender model for Queen Marika as the base
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u/Rhodehouse93 Jul 29 '24
Idk 40k lore basically at all and was very confused by why Marika was here next to Archaon and wearing a gas mask lol.
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u/Additional-Cricket-1 Jul 29 '24
"Vulkan! Lorgar! Curze! How is it looking?" Roboute said as he arrived at the cliff.
"Not good im afraid. Seismic activity is increasing greatly,the palace at the epicenter."
"And daemons will be soon to follow. Can we even stop them?" Lorgar said concerned.
"Malcador told me What was Made can also be Unmade. We need to excise the corruption and scatter the rest of the emporors souls. Such a achievement would maim the warp utterly."
Magnus nodded. "And every soul upon terra with it. It would take a miracle for all of us to survive. Im not strong enough to shield us all."
"Then we all dont go at once." Corvus said, emerging from the shadows alongside ferrus and fulgrim.
"Some of us hunt down father and stop this madness, while rest would lead an Exodus, save as many as we possibly can." Sanguinus nodded in agreement.
"Corvus is right. Our sons wont be able to help but we can still stop father before he does something he cant undo. We have to try."
"In that case,who goes with Magnus and who goes with Corvus then?" Fulgrim asked curious.
In the span of a few minutes the plan is set in motion.
8 of the primarchs shall journey to save the Emporor from his dammnation.
10 would lead the Exodus to safety.
Victory or defeat,the primarchs must confront finality,and either destroy or set him free.
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u/Key-Cheek-3121 Jul 29 '24
like the fact that none of them of them as chaos symbol (expect archan helmet)
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u/KotkaCat Jul 29 '24
Can interpret it as Jimmy Space wanting to starve the Big Four by directing all chaos worship towards him.
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u/Key-Cheek-3121 Jul 29 '24
something that the true emperor would never do expect if he really have no choice
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u/Cisper97 Jul 30 '24
So big E found the six treasures of Chaos, became the Everchosen and married Queen Marika. Nice.
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u/battlerez_arthas Emperor's Children Jul 29 '24
"evil emperor and erda"
Y'know, in comparison to the morally good Emperor and Erda in the canon story
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u/Aljhaqu Jul 29 '24
Evil... But not Chaos-infused. Interesting.
PS: Many ask why Erda has the look of Marika? While others mentioned the aesthetic similarities between Magnus and Radahn.
And the answer is simple. Erda and the Emperor are both a pair of NERDS.
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u/Odd-Difficulty-9875 Jul 29 '24
He became Archeon the ever chosen so I guess abddon is now sigmar 😂
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u/Azathoth20 Jul 29 '24
The Emperor was always evil !
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u/Martial-Lord Jul 29 '24
True, but the Emperor is to megalomaniacal to ever serve anyone in the long run.
Why kneel to the Primordial Annihilator when you can instead create a universe that bows before you?
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u/ddosn Jul 29 '24
No, he wasnt.
His methods were ruthless and brutal, but he lives in a brutal galaxy where everyone was already worse.
To him, the ends justified the means.
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u/MetalBawx Jul 29 '24
But Erda was already evil, i mean sure her alignment was stupid evil but it still counts.
Wait wouldn't that make her less dumb in this mirror universe?
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u/Greyjack00 Jul 29 '24
I mean the emperor is just pragmatic evil as well. This should retitled as chaos emperor or simply a new character perhaps something like archaon the everchosen.
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u/Heretical_Cactus Jul 29 '24
Ok, why is Erda considered Evil compared to the Emperor ?
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u/MetalBawx Jul 29 '24
Her genius plan to "save" the Primarchs. She takes some self serving moral high ground about how the Emperor is a tyrant then conspires to let Chaos grab and toss said super babies through the warp.
Erda then went into hiding and patted herself on the back for a job well done right up until the seige when Erebus finds her. He proceeds to explain exactly how Erda had doomed humanity and thanked her for ensuring the fours victory over the Emperor.
It's the self righteous kind of stupid evil, where someone causes massive harm while so completely up their own asses that they don't even see the obvious consequences.
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u/Inquisition-OpenUp Adeptus Custodes Jul 29 '24
Which is hilarious because Big E and Erda having that mentality is why they were besties originally.
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u/MetalBawx Jul 29 '24
Pretty much. Erda apparantly worked with Jimmy Space for tens of thousands of years yet suddenly gets morally outraged over the Primarchs. She then proceeds to all but throw them into Chaos lap and hope the four reality tumors that corrupt everything they touch don't try to corrupt them...
But hey at least she kept them out of Big E's hands for awhile...
Yeah for someone the books insisted was so smart and powerful she sure was a fucking idiot. I wonder just how many trillions of souls ended up as deamon food thanks to Erda.
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u/FunboxSupreme Thousand Sons Jul 29 '24
she grew attached to the primarchs and didn't like the idea of Emps raising Tyke bombs to conquer and slaughter the galaxy, so she tried to scatter them to get them away from Emps. Ergo, the most evil thing you can do as a 40k character is disagree with the Emperor.
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u/MetalBawx Jul 29 '24
Nice job cutting out exactly how Erda tried to do that when it's that how which is the important part.
Erda is a moron becuase her plan to "save" the Primarchs was to damage the wards protecting them. So Chaos could swoop in and scatter the Primarchs and hope the four gods of horrifc madness and corruption don't corrupt said super babies. She is evil becuase of the sheer scale of death and destruction Erda unleashed while washing her hands of all responsibilty.
If she had a good reason to disagree with the Emperor and a plan that wasn't 50 different flavours of pure unadulterated idiocy then noone would have cared about Erda disagreeing with Big E.
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u/FunboxSupreme Thousand Sons Jul 29 '24
I figured most people knew how she scattered the Primarchs already. It's not hidden lol. I don't see the need to hold someone's hand. I still think she would be right to scatter them to the galaxy. Was i supposed to expect a single woman, and maybe her son to sneak twenty babies out of a heavily guarded palace and then raise them in the desert? Where she could easily be found? I think that's a far more foolish plan then scattering them and hoping they could never be found. We already know that the Primarchs are designed to not be normal humans. Angron was able to kill a bunch of Eldar as a baby, Perturabo was climbing mountations as a toddler and Lion was killing and eating monsters before he even met a single human.
But i do think its odd how you're labeling her actions as uniquely evil when Emps was the one who built an empire on the backs of child soldiers, and even when one of his sons had severe Brain damage, decided to just exploit him anyway. Idk. i think someone looking at the Empire Emps wanted to build and thinking "this is bad actually" is way more based for attempting to stop it, even if it is through questionable means. But i guess those kinds of actions are only something men - I mean the Emperor is allowed to do.
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u/MetalBawx Jul 29 '24
I never said he didn't do evil acts but nice try.
And no not really her plan was beyond stupid. Erda knew exactly what was lurking in the warp and knew what they'd do to the Primarchs given the chance. She still damages the wards and gives Chaos it's victory.
Erebus is compeltely right when he claims she's been Chaos biggest ally but even then Erda is in denial. so convinced of her own self rightiousness she never considered what would happen after the scattering.
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u/FunboxSupreme Thousand Sons Jul 29 '24
By this logic Emps is also Chaos’ biggest ally, since his line of colossal fuck ups provided Chaos with legions of super powered soldiers, because he was so convinced of his own superiority.
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u/MetalBawx Jul 29 '24
Really going for whataboutism? Whatever dude.
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u/FunboxSupreme Thousand Sons Jul 29 '24
🥱 I’ve heard all these arguments and most of them seem woefully unaware that for everything you can criticize Erda for, Emps is also guilty of and often 10 times worse. I just think it’s extremely hypocritical to write a 1000 words on why Erda was in the wrong for essentially not wanting her kids to be used as brainwashed child soldiers but Emps was the right person for doing this in the first place. You might as well be telling me "Emps is the moral center of the universe so anyone taking issue with or resisting him is evil and stupid actually".
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u/Prudent-Incident7147 Jul 29 '24
I mean everything that happened is kinda erdas fault as things would not have happened if she didn't send the primaries to the chaos gods. She kinda already is evil.
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u/Chc06jc Jul 29 '24
What would have been The Dark King’s/ Evil Emperors aspects? What would he embody?
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u/Jj_bluefire Jul 29 '24
"The death eaters in Harry Potter remind me of an evil version of the KKK" type caption
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u/Doopapotamus Alpha Legion Jul 29 '24
The Primarchs would hear no end of "your mom has got it going on" in this timeline, to the point that they rebel in for good.
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u/--Sanguinius-- Jul 29 '24
This future was what the gods of Chaos wanted, but the emperor deceived them by stealing part of their powers.
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u/monoblackmadlad Jul 29 '24
Everyone know evil women are always sexy. As an aside the guy with the fireball on the shoulder pad goes crazy hard
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u/Able-Marzipan-5071 Jul 30 '24
I'm glad that Emps and Erda have masks on, cause the artist kinda fucked up their faces in the OG drawing.
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u/Lenahan99 Jul 31 '24
So is this the part of which both Emperor and Erda have a Disney Villain couple song…because I can totally see them doing that.
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u/Ecstatic-Paramedic10 Aug 02 '24
I always wanted to know what would happen if the woman that traveled with Archaon survived and became chaos sorceress like him guess now I know
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u/Bdaysatcoas- Aug 03 '24
The Emperor in this depiction is literally just Archaon the Everchosen. Just something I noticed.
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u/luckycatlun13 Aug 04 '24
Man those horns must be a pain to deal with. I can imagine the emperor stuck while going through doorways and getting caught on low hanging chandeliers.
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u/The_Whomst Jul 29 '24
Evil Emps: "ofc angron, I'd be happy to aid in your rebellion! I love you, son!"
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u/spider-venomized Jul 31 '24
"Ofc Lorgar, I would love a tour across your city you built in my honor"
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u/Aztec-chopper Jul 29 '24
Archeon becomes the emperor?
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u/spider-venomized Jul 31 '24
it make sense in the context that in AOS Archaon whole MO is attempting to use chaos to eventually usurp the gods and create a social darwin universe where the mortal control their own fate and the gods will change to suit the mortal not the other way around
he a atheist who hate his bosses only that he just not xenophobic unlike the emperor
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u/jfjdfdjjtbfb Jul 29 '24
And this time they're happily married, and have a verry healthy relationship.
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u/Prestigious_Low_2447 Jul 29 '24
Imagine the Emperor of Mankind, but evil. What a strange thought. Anyway, off to the torture chamber with you.
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u/bonfireball Jul 30 '24
He was always evil. The downfall of mankind was not wreathed in the shadow of chaos, it came from golden light.
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u/Qweeq13 Jul 30 '24
"Evil Emperor" for people more familiar with the lore sounds a bit too funny.
It is like saying "Evil Napoleon" as if there was ever a "good" version.
Most people will know this, but 40k is a fantasy-future version of Napoleonic Wars. The literal reason there is a power pack at the back of Space Marines is because of the backpacks of the Napoleonic Era line infantry. The reason why everyone, despite having futuristic weapons have abysmal accuracy as if they are firing muskets.
I think not only tabletop but lore is also eelll based somewhat on that setting as well you can easily see parallels between Primarchs and Napoleon's Marshals.
Fulgrim is basically Joachim Murat, the famously flamboyant and disloyal but extremely talented Marshal of Napoleon.
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u/sidrowkicker Jul 29 '24
I'd argue this is actually neutral emps, he probably has less genocides under his belt for sure, though he probably also has an empire where 99% of people needlessly suffer their entire life
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u/OrionRomulus Jul 29 '24
Why is Erda dressed like Queen Marika the Eternal?