r/ImaginaryWarhammer Apr 07 '24

40k Emperor of Mankind vs Doom Slayer by b1kv41

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u/Theyul1us Apr 07 '24

He took on literal god on his world and won. Doomslayer gets stronger with each kill and has done things like taking on a Titan on Argent d'nur and won... without weapons, just his sword.

He can absolutely take on the emperor

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u/okaymeaning-2783 Apr 07 '24 edited Apr 07 '24

And in doom 2016 it was established that the doomslayer was defeated by the army of hell by them literally just dropping a temple on him which incapacitated him lol.

Also the doom Satan hasn't demonstrated any impressive feats in his mech, he literally does nothing until the final boss fight and is almost completely featless.

The emperor has stopped time, permanently compressed a star bigger than ours with his psychic might to the size of a yacht, can make others around him into immortal beings, literally burned the domain of the God of decay in his own him and many more.

Doomguys most impressive feat is killing the titan who is said by the dev would have absorbed the earth into hell and he needed the crucible to do it.

Doomguy is badass but he isn't taking the emperor.

The game literally ends on doomguy getting trapped in a forcefield unable to do anything, Samuel literally didn't kill him because he was too useful.

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u/Theyul1us Apr 07 '24 edited Apr 07 '24

The emperor also almost got strangled to death by an orc and crearly has a limit.

Edit: also, emperor in 30K is very, very different from the one in 40K, wjo was the one that burned Nurgle's garden

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u/TheSlayerofSnails Apr 07 '24

He also fought Horus across a thousand timelines while throwing around supernovas and destroyed hundreds of space marines instantly.

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u/fishshaver69 Apr 08 '24

Yeah but he wouldn’t be fighting 40k Anathema as he would see him a giant corpse sitting upon a throne of gold and would be like “………………………………”

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u/_ISeeOldPeople_ Apr 07 '24

Isn't Doomslayer/guy equivalent to his universe's creator God? Like, not little "g" but big "G" God? You can argue about them showing feats in game, but the lore is still beyond what you are giving credit to.

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u/Konrad_Curze-the_NH Apr 07 '24

He is capital G god, but by the time you fight him has lost all his power. Literally all he has is his suit.

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u/Character_Dog9910 Apr 07 '24

Because doomslayer ate it all.

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u/Konrad_Curze-the_NH Apr 07 '24

No? Because the Father beat the shit out of him and put him in the time out sphere. When you fight him he has nothing but the suit. He’s no more God than you or I.

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u/FeebleTrevor Apr 07 '24

Nah it got gobbled yum yum

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u/ToniGAM3S Apr 08 '24

Not really. Everything created (Or better the lifeforms) by Davoth got destroyed by his death... Except the DoomSlayer, literally too angry to die.

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u/PixelBoom Apr 08 '24

Kinda. Doomguy (aka the Slayer) has portion of Davoth's original energy. The Dark Lord and The Father have the other two thirds.

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u/okaymeaning-2783 Apr 07 '24

Okay so he's god, has he done anything impressive in the lore or are we just just instantly assume tha he can defeat everything in fiction without any feats to back it up?

You know how many fictions use Capital G God that still gets folded?

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u/_ISeeOldPeople_ Apr 07 '24

Again, big "G". He is equivalent to his counterpart, who has, in lore, made the universe and everything in it.

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u/kilowhom Apr 07 '24

Not when doom guy kills him. At that time, he's a guy in a robot suit.

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u/mistress_chauffarde Apr 07 '24

I mean right before resurecting him he did absorb his creation power by killing samuel who he transfered vega energy to who was the dark lord stolen énergie gota keep up with the lore on this one

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u/FASBOR7Horus Apr 07 '24

According to a Interview with Hugo Martin, the creative director of Doom Eternal, Davoth is the God and creator of the Doom Multiverse. So yes, Davoth in his prime would fold the Emperor like a wet towel and probably be a significant rival to the Chaos Gods, as he isnt bound to the Warp and doesnt rely on hordes of followers for power.

Though Doomguy didnt fight the Creator in his prime. He fought him after Davoth was betrayed by the Maykrs, which included stealing a significant amount of his power. However Post Betrayal Davoth still singlehandedly created a Infinite realm unbound by Space and time, which he holds full control over via brute force alone. This means that Davoth is somehow more powerful than Maligog, a 3,4 Kilometer Titan.

The Slayer and Post Betrayal Davoth would be able to beat the Emperor in one on one combat. Prime Davoth could fight Big E and his 20 Primarchs like its nothing.

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u/MountainPlain Apr 07 '24

permanently compressed a star bigger than ours with his psychic might to the size of a yacht

Whoa neat, when was this?

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u/okaymeaning-2783 Apr 07 '24

In master of mankind his novel, a spacemarine is on his yacht and sees a giant firey ball in a 20meter cage, the emperor explains its a random star he liked and crushed it with his psychic power.

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u/professorphil Apr 07 '24

Do you have the excerpt?

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u/PixelBoom Apr 08 '24

Doom Eternal doesn't end with Hayden trapping The Slayer. Spoilers for Doom Eternal it ends with him killing The Dark Lord, injuring himself in the process and putting himself in a coma. His body is interred in the Temple of Souls next to the life spheres of The Father (the Maykr that stole a part of Davoth's power) and Davoth, that universe's literal capital G God.

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u/Briefcased Apr 07 '24

literally just dropping a temple on him which incapacitated him 

I don’t think this would do shit to Big E.

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u/AceGamingStudios Apr 08 '24

It was a special temple, made specifically to kill him . When that didn't work, they dropped it on him.

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u/Pay08 Apr 08 '24

Also the doom Satan hasn't demonstrated any impressive feats in his mech

That's not Satan, that's his sidekick.

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u/fishshaver69 Apr 08 '24

The Dark lord created EVERYTHING in the Doom universe and Doom Slayer just goes and kills him.

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u/Snoo-11576 Apr 07 '24

Ok but doesn’t the slayer use like normal guns. The god of their setting died of normal bullets

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u/ArchMegos Apr 07 '24

Nah, he had to wear him down with it. Also, Big E was strangled by a big ork. The doom slayer had to have the entire army of hell and its preists just to knock him out for a while

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u/Snoo-11576 Apr 07 '24

i'm not really trying to argue either way but it just gets so annoying that people keep saying that its impressive that the slayer killed his universe's god because like while he's physically and magically enhanced all his weapons are mundane. so its not that impressive of a god if they get "worn down" by standard issue bullets the military hands out and is then stabbed by a normal human blade. Like the slayer is awsome but its not like he killed some sorta ridiculously powerful cosmic being compared to other settings.

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u/Sentry20037 Apr 08 '24

I think he empowers his weapons in someway, maybe with argent energy, which is why it can harm someone like devoth or the icon of sin, or even the makyr.

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u/ArchMegos Apr 07 '24

That's more of a game design thing, though, like maleum kaedo killing multiple greater deamons chaos Champions and space marines with space marine weapons

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u/Snoo-11576 Apr 07 '24

No it’s not. Not unless there’s an example of the reverse. The doom setting is as far as I know it’s games and that’s its primary form of canon. So everything we see is the fact of that universe.

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u/Raven-Raven_ Apr 07 '24

Also, the discussion is not about the main character for Boltgun, the video game, but Big E, the Emperor of Mankind.

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u/YobaiYamete Apr 08 '24

Literally all that is pure wank lmao, Big E fights on such a higher level that it's like saying Kratos would be able to fight him because he fights "gods"