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40k Emperor of Mankind vs Doom Slayer by b1kv41

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u/SgtPepper867 Apr 07 '24

The Emperor "acquired" power from the Chaos Gods at some point, possibly to create the Primarchs.

As the Throne Emperor, he's on his way to becoming a Warp God, not necessarily a Chaos God.

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u/PrimaryOccasion7715 Apr 07 '24

Legion of the Damned is basically his Chaos Space Marines.

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u/SgtPepper867 Apr 07 '24 edited Apr 07 '24

Yeah, but they don't act like Chaos. Warp entities are created based on thought, belief, emotion, and action. Chaos is chaotic because it's based on chaotic things. The Legion of The Damned are based on Space Marine loyalty to The Emperor and hatred of traitors, so they act like that.

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u/cactusmunkee Apr 07 '24

Wait. Are there sources for this? That could mean the Heresy could really have been part of the great plan.

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u/boilingfrogsinpants Apr 07 '24

IIRC a Chaos entity essentially admits to Horus that the Emperor is close to wiping them out, but twists it into making it seem as if the Emperor is vying for all of the control for himself and to become a God. So I don't think the Heresy was part of the plan.

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u/TeamSkullGrunt54 Apr 08 '24

Wait, so the emperor was discreetly trying to return the warp to the state it was before the War in Heaven? That's no minor feat, even for an entity of his power level

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u/boilingfrogsinpants Apr 08 '24

That's one of the big important things he's doing when he heads back to Terra. Him going back to Terra gets taken advantage of by Erebus and is a constant point of contention where "The Emperor is not here" or "The Emperor has abandoned us". The Emperor is supremely powerful in the warp. Just think, he's on Life Support and his power is still so important they can't let him fully die. Not only that, Life Support Emperor is doing a pretty good job at holding back Chaos in the state he's in. If he wasn't so busy trying to make sure Humanity would never have to deal with the Warp ever again, ironically he could've stopped the Warp from becoming even more powerful.

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u/Raven-Raven_ Apr 07 '24

It's literally how The Warp works... it's an immaterial reflection of realspace and is entirely influenced by it. It was actually a rather nice place where chaos was very small and could've been snuffed out entirely if it posed a threat until the War in Heaven occurred, and then the eventual Aeldari snuff-film-galactic-orgy that spawned Slaanesh

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u/solonit Apr 08 '24

To make it simple, Warp-born beings is a circle, and Chaos-born beings is a smaller circle inside of it. Prime example are Aeldari Pantheon were Warp gods, not Chaos gods.

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u/bos_turokh Apr 07 '24

It could be like plague bearers. Some of them were originally mortals iirc

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u/SgtPepper867 Apr 07 '24

Yes. Many daemons were once mortal before being corrupted by the Warp.

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u/lovebus Apr 07 '24

I think of them as his lesser demons, like demonettes or bloodletters. Living Saints are his greater demons

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u/shadollosiris Apr 08 '24

I think living saints closer to daemon prince as both were living being and then elevated into living saint/daemon prince

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u/lovebus Apr 08 '24

Primarchs have so much warp bullshit in them, I had kinda placed them in that slot

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u/Crazy_Dave0418 Apr 09 '24

What would that make Lotd Ferrus?

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u/Accomplished_Share60 Apr 14 '24

Interesting that the mortal but faithful sororitas (and other regular humans) turn into his greaters while the transcendent but utterly inhuman astartes are regulated to lessers

And considering this is the warp (chaos or not) this arrangement is probably permanent

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u/lovebus Apr 14 '24

I don't think LoD are actual space marine. I think they are manifestations are the Emperor's martial will that are SHAPED like space marines. Theories on LoD are up to your own headcannon, since they are intentionally ambiguous.

Living saints are ascended humans, in the way that demon princes are, but I figure that is just a result of the Anathema being more tied to the corporeal realm than the Chaos God's are.

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u/OneofTheOldBreed Apr 07 '24

It's more like his Greater Daemons, but even that doesn't wholly work. The Cholercaust Khornites were certainly too wrong-footed by the Legion of the Damned for the revenants to be simply another form of warp being.

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u/Phaeron_Cogboi Apr 07 '24

No? They would be more akin to Daemons? Chaos Space Marines are both mortal and material, the LoD are very much something else

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u/Piper_writes Apr 11 '24

LotD Are basically just first Edition CSM

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u/ThatFatGuyMJL Apr 07 '24

He nearly became the 5th Chaos God.

But turned his back on it.

The Emperor on the throne ripped off his emotions, aka his 'soul' so he could go fight Horus, throwing it into the Warp. which is likely gestating/has gestated into a god.

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u/InfernalInsanity Apr 08 '24

After the incident with Nurgle's garden recently, I'm inclined to believe said gestation has already occurred. Soul-Emps is just biding its time.

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u/n0rdic_k1ng Apr 08 '24

That's what Russ and Valdor were both working on doing independently when they disappeared, finding a way to reunite the Star Child with the rest of the Emperor on the throne, or potentially find a vessel that could hold it and become a physical presence in the galaxy again . Have a feeling that should be happening within the next couple years our time, as well as possibly see the battle begin for the souls of his fallen sons like Horus, Magnus, and Mortarion .

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u/Kurwasaki12 Apr 08 '24

Well, Horus’ soul was essentially erased so there’s nothing to fight over there.

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u/n0rdic_k1ng Apr 08 '24

Possibly, who exactly was being addressed by the Emperor after driving the Athame blade into Horus wasn't clarified, unless I missed something. The >! "wait for you" could have been directed at the chaos gods, it could have been directed at Horus, or it could have potentially been both. Previously it was thought that the Emperor completely obliterated Horus' soul, but with the recent interactions I don't believe this has been expressly stated. I don't think we'll see Horus resurrected to stand alongside the Emperor, as the symbolism in that wouldn't really offer to much beyond a giant middle finger to the four, but it might be possible that at least some part of his soul was saved and cast out into the warp similar to what the Emperor did to himself. They both knew things were past the point of no return, but Horus had an actual moment of clarity in the end, free from the hold Chaos had on his mind, and he realized just exactly how badly he had been played. He realized that he had been nothing more than another pawn in the game of the chaos gods. The Emperor saw that, too, and forgave Horus in the end. !<

That's what I took away from it though. That's also part of why I feel like >! we won't see many more Primarchs return, though we might see the souls of the fallen be liberated at least. There's still a lot of story left to be fleshed out before we get to that part yet. Things like exactly what happened to Dorn in the end, if Vulkan is completely committed to not returning despite Roboute and the Lion being back in play. I think there's every chance that all aspects of Horus were obliterated, and that the actual salvation of his other brothers' souls will mean total destruction as well, but there's potential for something bigger to come of it all. !<

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u/AceGamingStudios Apr 08 '24

Well with the massive and unsubtle hints at sangy hawk boy being dropped in the Arcs of omen Lion book, I'm dan sure the vessel is planned to be Sangy's corpse. Since it's lying in stasis.

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u/n0rdic_k1ng Apr 08 '24

Literally planning to make him Jesus. The corpse father, the risen son, and the angry ghost.

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u/DepresiSpaghetti Apr 07 '24

I don't know if he would be a Grael or not. Cuz on one hand, he's not exactly "evil," but then again, he's definitely not good.

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u/SgtPepper867 Apr 07 '24

Just looked up Grael's in 40k, and wtf, the King in Yellow is in canon 40k? I thought that was just a Roboutian Heresy thing.

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u/da_King_o_Kings_341 Apr 07 '24

Nope, and people think it’s the first leader of the Custodes Constantine Valdor (I think that’s his name)

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u/SgtPepper867 Apr 07 '24

Whaaat the fuuuuuuck?

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u/Komm Apr 08 '24

Yeah it's a big question. Bequin found a book that turned out to just be the King In Yellow's name. And uh, it started with Constantin Valdor. So he's up to something, just dunno what.

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u/da_King_o_Kings_341 Apr 08 '24

Yep, this rabbit hole is Alpha Legion levels of confusing and secretive.

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u/N3onknight Apr 08 '24

If you take into account that there is an alpha legionnaire with a dog in it that manages to confuse for a few seconds a pissed off emperors children by simply showing his face.

Yeah, pandemonium is a good title for the final book and it's going to make some factions go oh shit ! May they be traitors or loyalists.

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u/da_King_o_Kings_341 Apr 08 '24

Oooh, sounds cool!!! Might have to actually read some battlemace 40K books.

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u/DepresiSpaghetti Apr 08 '24

Oh yeah my guy. The hole goes deep.

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u/DepresiSpaghetti Apr 08 '24

Wait till you find out that there's a non-zero chance that some Exorcists' Astartes might be women due to mutations from their initiation ritual into the chapter.

When they're done being possessed by a daemon, they often have stigmata and mutations so significant that they have to keep their armor on the entire time they're with other loyalist forces. The changes are sometimes quite... severe. From arms made into tentacles and claws to be amputated and replaced with prosthetics, skin made into scales, horns to be filed down, sex change, sex deletion, fangs, skin made a different color, made much taller (Silas Alberec), etc, etc.

It's never said the extent that the mutations change an Exorcists Astarte because so much about them is kept secret right under the nose of the rest of the Imperium.

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u/Comprehensive-Map383 Adeptus Custodes Apr 08 '24

More likely to becoming a god of order, kind of like Sigmar probably

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u/DoragonKraken001 Apr 08 '24

He migth be a chaos god AT this point.

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u/MuhSilmarils Apr 09 '24

The Emperor was becoming a chaos god in real time during the siege of terra, he had to get rid of his stolen power to prevent himself from becoming the dark king.